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Also multiple objectives. That kills deathstars more than anything and forces you to be more balanced. It's pretty awesome, GW did well on the new book.

All im gonna say is I'm testing an Immotekh Necron list with Mephiston... results to come.

Zid wrote:All im gonna say is I'm testing an Immotekh Necron list with Mephiston... results to come.

....mind if I add you so you can keep me posted on this idea? lol

At 2k, I'd be tempted to make a DC list with Grey Hunters and Deathwing support!

AP3 weapons need a 6 on the damage charts to blow up a stormraven, and meltas aren't likely to penetrate them.

Immobilizing is enough to destroy it.

It's nice to have mass FNP against units with power weapons. Grey Knights and Daemons seems less threatening now.

Quick list i totted up. Please criticise

Dc tycho
Chaplain
10xdc 2 pf
LR Crusader

2x razorbacks with HB and 5man ass squad pf melta
1x razorback with las and 5man ass squad pf melta

1x baal pred
2x vindicators with dozer extra armour

Scout bike unit with astartes grenade launchers on 2.

1750 or just under

It depends who you're playing against. Thats's a lot of armour for my gauss and scarabs to melt/eat.

Titan Atlas wrote:

Zid wrote:All im gonna say is I'm testing an Immotekh Necron list with Mephiston... results to come.

....mind if I add you so you can keep me posted on this idea? lol

Check the battle reports page in a week or so, I'm going to a 2k tourney with it. List is here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/459529.page

thunderlips wrote:Quick list i totted up. Please criticise

Dc tycho
Chaplain
10xdc 2 pf
LR Crusader

2x razorbacks with HB and 5man ass squad pf melta
1x razorback with las and 5man ass squad pf melta

1x baal pred
2x vindicators with dozer extra armour

Scout bike unit with astartes grenade launchers on 2.

1750 or just under

DC Tycho isn't an independent character, he can't join units (which is really slowed, I know).

Oh yeah i always forget that as i never usehim.could run him behind the LR C?

Plus he's got fleet! Blood angels have a decent amount of fleeting units when I think about it.

Looks awful: http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/40k-6th-edition-batrep-shoota-boyz-vs-assault-marines-part-13

Yeah... honestly, it's silly but I doubt it's very good at all. And there being a 1/6 chance every turn that Mephiston will stand around and look angry kind of sucks.

Dumb question. Does Shield of Sanguinius still effect units around the transport the Librarian is in?

Not sure. In 5th they ruled that non-shooting effects didn't work if you were inside a transport.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yeah... honestly, it's silly but I doubt it's very good at all. And there being a 1/6 chance every turn that Mephiston will stand around and look angry kind of sucks.

Only if Mephiston is within 6". Just keep him outside that and you're fine.

Played a few games today!

Stuff that didn't work:

Overwatch is a killer. It's awful to charge against and can be super punishing.

Hammer is fairly useless as it's only models in base. I typically get 3-5 models in base, so it never actually does much (I lost more troops to overwatch than I killed with Hammer)

FnP worked fairly well in close combat (it basically gives you a built in save against special kit characters) but the nerf is brutal playing against something like a Necron or GK list in the shooting phase.

BA doesn't have a lot of invuln saves which is super detrimental to challenges. Most of the time you get challenged, you get challenged by a character with power weapons, which means you're screwed. Libbies, power weapon sergeants etc are hosed. That basically forces priests back into the mix for FnP.

Stuff that worked:

I have a few Vindicators lying around and they were awesome. They pretty much blew stuff off the table every turn. Full strength on vehicles is an absolute monster. Added to this, most coversaves are downgraded to 5s these days, which wrecks stuff.

I'm not a big fan of the new movement rules but the upside is choice. Having different solutions for different situations is always nice, even if both of those solutions are slightly flawed.

Reserves with re-rolls means you come in quick. Really quick.

Multiple objectives are awesome for mobile armies. I took first blood in all my games and points for being inside the opponents deployment zone when the game ends is fairly automatic if you're deepstriking and causing havoc.

Sorry if this has already been posted (I'm not trawling through all 9 pages) but is Corbulo epically good now. Can't be picked out, Rending gives him ap2 and a 2+ FNP thats harder to ignore? Definitely seems worth the points for a decent squad boost.

Fast vehicle mean the Lascannon/TL Plasma Gun Razorback can move 12" and fire both weapons. Hell even Vanguard may see a way in with the possible 12" charge.

Yes, Corbulo owns now. I'd put him with a squad of terminators.

He still only gives the 2+ to himself, nobody else benefits from that. Remember that.


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But 2 wounds and being a halfway decent fighter makes him a nice little upgrade to your run-of-the-mill priest.

I may have missed this, but I am wondering if BA Rhino varients are still fast ? the BRB says the codex trumps BRB general rules for models, so logic would state that, yes they are still fast. However the BRB is damn BIG and i could have missed something (only picked it up this afternoon)

They are fast until somebody from GW slams it over our head that, in this circumstance, there was the case where our rhinos would not be fast.

But for now, they are fast until proven otherwise once and for all

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Not sure. In 5th they ruled that non-shooting effects didn't work if you were inside a transport.

When did they rule it that way? I don't recall it ever working that way in 5th edition at all.

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Red Comet wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Not sure. In 5th they ruled that non-shooting effects didn't work if you were inside a transport.

When did they rule it that way? I don't recall it ever working that way in 5th edition at all.

It was in the last BRB FAQ for 5th ed (Released in April I think). It said, "Can you use a fire point on a vehicle to trace line of sight for a character's special rule? No.

It really nerfed Njal as he was super squishy, so getting him out was almost a guaranteed death for him.

If they take 'Fast' away from us, they better take the 15 pt price tag with it. Paying it without that makes no sense; lucifer engines have been a part of blood angels since 3rd IIRC. Mind you each codex brought different rules to it, they have still always had faster than normal tanks. If any tries to argue you otherwise, codex trumps BRB except in the case of a FAQ that state otherwise.

Shield of Sanguinius does not require LOS or a target and is not a PSA, so it does not use a fire point. Therefore, It can still affect units within 6" of the Librarian's transport.

Played an 1850 game against Daemons today. All MC swooping creatures. Wasn't a slaughter but I did lose, their invul saves with the Fateweaver's re-rolling sucks. Hitting on 6s also sucks. FnP saved me quite a bit however. Being able to measure anytime I feel like it is nice. My DC Dread went down to the Fateweavers breath weapon, 3 glances wrecked... But it took out the BloodThirster so I'm not too sad.

AresX8 wrote:Shield of Sanguinius does not require LOS or a target and is not a PSA, so it does not use a fire point. Therefore, It can still affect units within 6" of the Librarian's transport.

QFT This correct for Shield with the Librarian. The ruling cited earlier does not apply to Shield.

Mordechai wrote:Played an 1850 game against Daemons today. All MC swooping creatures. Wasn't a slaughter but I did lose, their invul saves with the Fateweaver's re-rolling sucks. Hitting on 6s also sucks. FnP saved me quite a bit however. Being able to measure anytime I feel like it is nice. My DC Dread went down to the Fateweavers breath weapon, 3 glances wrecked... But it took out the BloodThirster so I'm not too sad.

The Daemon Flying Circus got out of the blocks very quickly as a powerful 'net list' taking advantage of new capabilities in 6th edition. In a few weeks, we (the 40k gaming community) will figure out the way to deal with it. I haven't faced it yet, but I have read quite a bit on blogs tossing out ideas for dealing with it.

How much Anti-Aircraft are we capable of putting on the table? Is it worth taking Stormravens to defend the skies? Can we produce 'torrent of fire' on a level that can mitigate the advantages of the Daemon Flying Circus? hmmmmmmm . . .


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I had a scout unit on the board with 1 missile launcher. It did well enough. Makes me want to make 2 vindicators and 1 Devastator squad mandatory. Then toss in a rune priest some grey hunters and some Long Fangs.

I'm foreseeing a slew of aerial spam.

Has anyone fielded a unit of scout snipers? How did they perform using the 6th edition rules? Also If a scout sniper unit goes to ground, can they still use the snap shot and/or overwatch shooting rule?

Another question, If I understand this correct, a DC dread with blood talons has 5 AP3 attacks on the charge, if that dread assaults a unit of space marines, you would get 5 dead marines automatically from the AP3 attacks and then 5 additional attacks. Is this correct?