XV-8 Crisis Suit Weapon Loadouts

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**Anbutou**

Crimson wrote:
Peregrine wrote:

No it isn't. The bullet points in the army list and the items in the upgrade list are formatted entirely differently. One is a list of yes/no questions, one is a menu of choices that you can take up to X items from.

The only difference in formatting is because some codices use armoury type of formatting and some don't. There is no inherent difference that would alter their function. Now I'm not saying that this actually should limit how you can buy Tau weapons, merely that the consistency and clarity you imagine is not actually there.

Exactly. If you are buying two weapons you pay the cheaper price and get a twin-linked weapon that takes up two of your choices. What you keep missing is the fact that there is absolutely nothing preventing you from taking one weapon, and then taking one weapon again.

And then you are taking two weapons! (1+1=2, check from a math professor if you don't believe me.) You are trying to weasel from using a rule provided for specific situation pretending that if you buy first one weapon, and then second, you are not buying two weapons. Are you similarly ignoring all other further instructions that may be in armories? Oh, the Chaos Lord entry said I can have artefacts, so I just ignore this pesky clarification concerning the specific situation of buying this axe that I need to have a Mark of Khorne!

Yes, you can have three weapons, and then the weapon entry further specifies the procedure of buying two of the same weapon. And that's the way you have to do it. It is not a suggestion, it is a rule.

This is not a yes/no question here. If we're weaseling around it then you're drawing clarity out of thin air. It's an extremely ambiguous statement to try and utilize the simple answer you're trying to get out of it. It speaks of twin linking weapons but offers no grand statement saying that every two weapon combo utilizes the second point list and is twin linked, there's no statement saying that you cannot take multiple of the same item, there's nothing but explaining how the first/second point value system works. Nothing else. I understand if you don't want it to be true, but until we get a FAQ that shines some light here, there's no way to definitively prove either side.

**Dozer Blades**

Here is a question. Can a Crisis Suit take three of the same weapon - one twin linked and another not twin linked ?

**rigeld2**

That's literally what this thread is about. Way to read it.

**IXLoiero95XI**

Just my two cents,
It says if there are two points costs then the first is for the standard single version.
From that, I gather that if I pay the first cost I will get one standard plasma rifle.
It also goes on to state that the second points cost is to buy two of a weapon ( counting as twin-linked).
From that it is very clear that if I opt to use the second points cost I will buy two plasma rifles but these to count as one twin-linked plasma rifle.

Because there are no restrictions like there was in previous editions on buying the same item multiple times I can purchase the standard single version twice using the first points cost. Because I used the first points cost I follow the rules for that, which would mean two standard plasma rifles unlike if I bought the second points cost and got two plasma rifles that counted as one twin-linked weapon.

IXLoiero95XI

**Hans_Einberg**

Dozer Blades wrote:Here is a question. Can a Crisis Suit take three of the same weapon - one twin linked and another not twin linked ?

There are 8 full pages devoted to bickering about that very question....

**Anbutou**

No, actually, 8 full pages of bickering are about whether or not I can take two plasma rifles and utilize them as individual weapons. The twin link one weapon take another example is pretty much undeniably accepted. Nothing says no, you're following what the book says about twin linking, and you've got the three systems limit.

**Crimson**

Anbutou wrote:
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This is not a yes/no question here. If we're weaseling around it then you're drawing clarity out of thin air. It's an extremely ambiguous statement to try and utilize the simple answer you're trying to get out of it. It speaks of twin linking weapons but offers no grand statement saying that every two weapon combo utilizes the second point list and is twin linked, there's no statement saying that you cannot take multiple of the same item, there's nothing but explaining how the first/second point value system works. Nothing else. I understand if you don't want it to be true, but until we get a FAQ that shines some light here, there's no way to definitively prove either side.

I'd be glad to be able to equip two of the same weapons independently, I just don't think that's intended nor that is what the rules say. However, I agree that regardless of how clear each of us thinks the wording is to one way or to another, it is obvious it is not clear enough and needs a FAQ; these nine pages of disagreement should be enough proof of that.

**DJGietzen**

I think its unclear enough to need a FAQ entry. The paragraph does not make it clear that if you go with two of the same weapon you can elect to pay for two non twin linked weapons or if the twin linking is a requirement. However, I do not this its unclear at all that you can select the same weapon multiple times. No other codex has put such a restriction on a list with out explicitly forbidding it.

**Messy0**

FAQ is up with some sort of explination (could still have been clearer in my opinion) It Speaks of 3 but not 2.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170231a_Tau_Empire_v1.0_APRIL13.pdf

How do people interpret this?

It explicitly says a Crisis can be equipped with 3 non TL burst cannons. Implying that 2 non-twinlinked is totally legal.

Thats my opinion anyway

**4TheG8erGood**

Messy0 wrote:
FAQ is up but its still ambiguous in my opinion on weather you can take 2 Single Weapons. It Speaks of 3 but not 2.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170231a_Tau_Empire_v1.0_APRIL13.pdf

How do people intemperate this?

IT explicitly says a Crisis can be equipped with 3 non TL burst cannons. Implying that 2 non-twinlinked is totally legal.

In my opinions thats /thread.

I was staring at the FAQ for 10 minutes trying to figure out if I was just missing something or if it was new or what. But the FAQ clearly states you can take 3 (non-twinlinked weapons) if you want. Taking 2 non-twinlinked would make sense, as the above says...here is a copy and paste for people who don't like clicking...

"Q: Can I take three of the same (not Twin-linked) weapons on my
Crisis suit? (p100)

A: Yes. Remember though that a Crisis battlesuit can still only fire a maximum of two weapon systems per Shooting phase. For example: A Crisis battlesuit could be equipped with three (non Twin-linked) burst cannons, or one Twin-linked burst cannon and one (non Twin-linked) burst cannon, so long as you pay the appropriate cost in each instance. In either case,
make sure your opponent is aware how you have chosen to equip such models at the beginning of the game."

Is this new? Its not in magenta like the other stuff, but if this has been up, how have people been arguing for 8 pages?

**Crimson**

It is new and it is pretty clear. You can have multiple non-twin linked weapons. I'm glad to be wrong; now to equip all my crisis suits with two plasma rifles!

**Messy0**

Its strange its not in Magenta, but that is pretty Cut and Dry.

Possible Weapon Combinations

1 Weapon - normal

2 Weapons - Twin-Linked
2 Weapons - Non- Twin-Linked

3 Weapons - Twin-linked + normal
3 Weapons - All Non- Twin-Linked

4 Weapons - Double Twin-linked
4 Weapons - All Separate (although using all 4 not legale under the Multi Tracker rules)

2 Plasma Rifles/ 2 Fusion Blasters all Non-Twinlinked for 60 points....awesome super customised multi-roll commanders with the ability to choose what combination of weapons to fire depending on the target...ill take that

Am I missing something? the FAQ pretty much clears that up.

**FlingitNow**

Yeah I agree FaQ has cleared this up

gonna have to look at my lists.

**Dracoknight**

Hmmm... Crisis suits armed with Dual missile pods for sniping and shennanigans...

**Fafnir13**

Vary glad to see they cleared that up right away. I was really wanting to double up on certain guns. Plus, who needs twin linked when you've got BS 5?

**Flinty**

Indeed. Fun debate and thanks for playing

I wonder when GW will start charging for the ability to argue around the meaning of their rules as its almost part of the game at this stage

**Beast**

Flinty wrote:
Indeed. Fun debate and thanks for playing

I wonder when GW will start charging for the ability to argue around the meaning of their rules as its almost part of the game at this stage

Lol.. Maybe Yak should lookout for a hostile takeover of Dakka...

Then DCM will take on a whole new meaning...

OT- Glad they FAQ'd this issue so quickly as this thread was merely solidifying the two camps for a long seige...
Yay for suit specialization!

**HoverBoy**

I was reluctant to use doublesuits since i was worried it'd be FAQ'd away and make me feel like a tool. Now though the safety's off

**raverrn**

**Desubot**

raverrn wrote:

Indeed.

Thank the Ethereals!

**Messy0**

raverrn wrote:

Plasma Rifles for everyone!

**Lungpickle**

The FAQ says you can....

**Dracos**

I've never been so happy to be wrong. It's wonderful!

**Ministry**

Dracos wrote:
I've never been so happy to be wrong. It's wonderful!

lol

After seeing the subpar DA codex then getting FAQ nerfs I'm super glad to be playing Tau!

**HoverBoy**

I thought they only got one nerf and the rest was imrovements/clarifications.

**Ministry**

They donkey punched the DA assault reserve rule as well as the power field generator pretty hard.

**Happyjew**

Ministry wrote:
They donkey punched the DA assault reserve rule as well as the power field generator pretty hard.

Like Dark Angels is the only codex that has been nerfed:
Tyranids - cannot manually fire weapons.
Eldar - Embarked Farseers cannot cast Farseer powers
Misc - Psykers with a BS0 cannot use Witchfire powers that automatically hit.
Misc - weapons with special rules that allow them to target units out of sight still cannot allocate wounds.

**Ministry**

Happyjew wrote:
Ministry wrote:
They donkey punched the DA assault reserve rule as well as the power field generator pretty hard.

Like Dark Angels is the only codex that has been nerfed:
Tyranids - cannot manually fire weapons.
Eldar - Embarked Farseers cannot cast Farseer powers
Misc - Psykers with a BS0 cannot use Witchfire powers that automatically hit.
Misc - weapons with special rules that allow them to target units out of sight still cannot allocate wounds.

Well there are several Tyranid and Eldar builds that are viable, DA took nerfs to the LR build and the Terminator build. There are very few ways to make DA competitive already, nerfing them via FAQ just makes it that much harder to make a very poorly written codex fun to play.

**Wolfnid420**

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Misc - weapons with special rules that allow them to target units out of sight still cannot allocate wounds.

**rigeld2**

Wolfnid420 wrote:
Happyjew wrote:

Misc - weapons with special rules that allow them to target units out of sight still cannot allocate wounds.

What are you talking about here? You allocate as if there was no intervening cover

Cite rules. That's not what things like the Impaler Cannon say.