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Gomericus wrote:
to the OP

If I saw such a massive points sink in one unit,I would point my rough riders at it,charge it and laugh,then flatten anything left with basilisk rounds,while the rest of my army wiped what ever small army was on the board with it out with massed lasgun and lascannon volleys.

Another one who has never played against or as this unit. Earthshakers are AP3 and Str 9 large blast so they still get a 2+ and 5+ Fnp. You'd be extremely lucky to be 1 wound with a blast weapon that doesn't defeat armor on 2+ units with 50mm bases. Rough riders are going to get murdered by hurricane bolter/grav amp fire followed by twin linked hurricane bolter overwatch. Guard blobs aren't going to make it to FRFSRF or even rapid fire range. Especially since this unit is likely to be backed up by at least one thunderfire cannon.

When did Dakka become a home for people who don't even 40k, bro?

dadakkaest wrote:

Gomericus wrote:
to the OP

If I saw such a massive points sink in one unit,I would point my rough riders at it,charge it and laugh,then flatten anything left with basilisk rounds,while the rest of my army wiped what ever small army was on the board with it out with massed lasgun and lascannon volleys.

Another one who has never played against or as this unit. Earthshakers are AP3 and Str 9 large blast so they still get a 2+ and 5+ Fnp. You'd be extremely lucky to be 1 wound with a blast weapon that doesn't defeat armor on 2+ units with 50mm bases. Rough riders are going to get murdered by hurricane bolter/grav amp fire followed by twin linked hurricane bolter overwatch. Guard blobs aren't going to make it to FRFSRF or even rapid fire range. Especially since this unit is likely to be backed up by at least one thunderfire cannon.

When did Dakka become a home for people who don't even 40k, bro?

Well, it's the Tactics forum, not Tournaments...

Gravstar can't overwatch sadly, it's S&P, one of its drawbacks. Their overwatch fire would be brutal and no one would ever get an assault off outside of 8".

Beaststar with Fortune (Invisibility doesn't work, ignore cover...) isn't invulnerable. You can reliably put >36 wounds on Baron every turn if he tries to tank and 4+ rerollable on Khymera is very killable.

What is causing that many wounds? 36 Bolters in with re-rolls is 32 hits, 20ish wounds. Grav Cannon's 30 shots with re-rolls to hit get 27ish hits, 4.5 wound on 6's first time and 3.5 second time so 7 wounds by them. Sure 27 wounds seems like a lot but on the Khymerae that's only 7 dead from a possibly unit of 25. And if your in rapid fire range you are very easily in charge range. Be aware this is me using the Grav Star in the OP, not the Farsight one you suggested a bit earlier. If you post that again i will take that one into consideration as well, although in game i am likely to try ignore it due to GOI.

4+ re-rollable is very similar statistically to a 3++, and no one ever calls that ''very killable'', otherwise Wraiths would like a word with you Against the OP's Centstar it seems a Beastpack is just what the Doctor Ordered.

Ummm not to start an arguement or anything.but again,,,,its not about killing something out right but causing dice rolls,the more you roll,the more you are going to fail
and reread what I wrote,I never said lasguns would take them on,but the other parts of his force,

The op ask to kill his deathstar unit,and I would,sure I might loose a 90pt unit off the bat but the other two rr units would murder them in turn.so in the end I might loose all three units but so what,,and ,thats the problem with deathstar units,,,,,I might loose somewheres around 1/5 my total army but the other guy looses almost half,,,

Leaving me 4/5ths of my firepower to eliminate the other 1/2 of his force,