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Wyrmalla wrote: Geology's part of Geography at that level, thus why I made that point. You don't need to go to uni to study the former to know how a volcano works.
I just noticed you are British so that probably is the mix-up. I had geography and geology tout as different part, you must have had them taught together.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Well would you look at that, Manchu. Bill Nye brought up your argument on why the natural laws changed. Perhaps not directly in a theological sense, but still in a way that he would have to explain it.
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Is it me or is Ham assuming a disrespectful stance by constantly leaving the stand to sit down when Nye's speaking? Its coming across as though he doesn't think he needs to listen to him (and judging from his responses he isn't).
DjPyro3 wrote: Well would you look at that, Manchu. Bill Nye brought up your argument on why the natural laws changed. Perhaps not directly in a theological sense, but still in a way that he would have to explain it.
But Chongara is still correct: Ham can answer Nye about the absence of evidence that natural law operates differently now than before by saying "because God." And that's why it ends up being a theological argument, i.e., an argument about what God is like and how God relates to everything else.
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Does Ham address the age of stars in the first question? And yea, you're right Manchu. I'm unsure on how you would argue against that in a theological sense I guess.
Edit: Seriously...God made the universe because bragging rights? Really?
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He said that God created the stars to show off. He didn't state when this was done. It can be assumed that his answers throughout will be "because God", with no further details.
But if he believes in the literal interpretation of the bible it says all the stars were created in the same day. Logically, all the stars -have- to be the same age.
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FirePainter wrote: I like how Ken needed to bring in others as his vindication. While Bill used his own knowledge and experience.
Yeah, I tuned out a bit when the videos of creationist scientists started--not only is it just an argument from authority, it's just a waste of time. Nye could have responded "Newton studied alchemy and seances, calculus can still be proven" and moved on.
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This entire debate is to the embarrassment of the United States. The sadness in Nye's voice when he spoke about the erosion of scientific education in the southern states and the encroachment of religious dogma to smother children's education there... Really quite sad and pathetic.
Given the other bits of awesome crazy that Newton did, seances are pretty low on the totem pole.
Such as putting a needle around his eyeball and rattling around at the skull side of it just to see what would happen.
Can I just say that when that happened in Quicksilver I had to put the book down for a bit. It turned my stomach.
Bill's got a good point. All of Ham's 'predictions' were done in the past with answers adjusted to meet them. He has yet to make an actual prediction himself on something that'll happen in the future based on the Creationist method.
And I wish they would zoom in on Bill's face when Ham used that damned 'It's in a book already' line. Twice. I want to see what ultimate disappointment looks like.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Half of ken's rebutles are "I'd like to remind you that there's a book out there..." He has yet to have a reasoned argument that is not just "The bible says it. It must be true." Just imagine if this happened. (From Red Dwarf)
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Did he just say that meteorites are older than the earth? "They didn't date rocks from earth, but from space". Um, so the Earth is 6000 years old, but bodies beyond it are much older? Contracting himself and the bible a wee bit there?
Wyrmalla wrote: Did he just say that meteorites are older than the earth? "They didn't date rocks from earth, but from space". Um, so the Earth is 6000 years old, but bodies beyond it are much older? Contracting himself and the bible a wee bit there?
Contradictions are what he does best.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
This boils down to facts vs "my invisible friend said so".
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
Besides the joke at the end, the universe is massive beyond thought. If all that was done in a day and he 100% believes that, then instantly this debate is over, the guys a moron.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
Well yeah. He knows he can talk complete gak and still have the extremists following him because he's defending the word of the bible against a detractor. It doesn't matter if he's misquoting it or bending the facts, he's already vindicated in the eyes of his followers.
Now he is saying that he gets to pick and choose what parts of the bible he considers true. Oh boy.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
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