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2014/08/15 14:36:51
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
I'm surprised I have to explain it, but here goes...
weeble1000 wrote: Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions.
weeble1000 wrote: Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not as horrible as the old model.
If you're going to tag differing opinions with "POS, horrible composition, people are blinded by nostalgia", don't expect a warm reception.
2014/08/15 14:39:31
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
Vermis wrote: Big model + clown hat + covered in bonez + boring pose + tiny, tiny head =/= amazing and awesome.
That was my first reaction. The pose especially is terribly vanilla. The unnecessary swirling soul things are all more interestingly and dynamically posed than Nagash, who is just standing there holding a book and lifting a staff, all on the same plane. It is posed as if the model were being cast in a single piece of metal, only it isn't.
I've seen some awesome artwork of Nagash that looks a hell of a lot better than this. This, for example, is an amazing, dynamic modeldesigned by the same company. It is cast in resin, of course, but GW could have easily done something similarly dynamic in plastic.
There are certainly problems with this model, but the pose is at least dynamic and interesting.
For all its faults, GW can make a dynamic plastic model that still casts in three sprues. This one aint it.
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
2014/08/15 14:39:59
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
It only works half of the time. How many cannons can you buy for 1000 points ?
Well, I can get three cannons...That's as much as I'm allowed to take. Haha.
Oh. I thought you could get much more. If I remember correctly, now there is a system of percentage of rare/special units, no? So, in a 2000 point games, you could bring like 500 points of cannon?
I remember that mercenary unit of cannons moved around by horses .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/15 14:43:01
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
DiabolicAl wrote: I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.
Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not a horrible as the old model.
Isn't it amazing! People can have different opinions...
Note that I did not say that people cannot have different opinions. I said that I don't understand why people have an opinion other than mine. My deficiency in understanding is my problem, not somebody else's problem. If people enjoy the model, more power to them. But as far as I am concerned it does not look like a well-designed model to me, and I am frankly surprised that other people like it so much.
My purely subjective interpretation is that the positive reaction has been in no small way influenced by excitement about the model representing Nagash. If it was some new model for a generic Vampire Counts monster kit with a $150.00 price tag, I honestly think many more people would less enthusiastic about the way the model looks.
You're right, I apologise. I was overly snarky.
No problem. I just wanted to note that it was not my intention to insinuate that anyone else was 'wrong' or 'stupid' or that their opinions were any less legitimate than mine.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
2014/08/15 14:46:57
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
DiabolicAl wrote: I seem to be the only one that really doesn't care for this in the slightest. It looks like they have tried to make an Undead Treeman. In fact i would go as far as to describe it as smegging awful. Maybe better pics will help but i am not holding my breath.
Yea, I don't understand why people think this model is anything other than a POS. It is a horrible composition. I think people are just excited about it being Nagash...and not as horrible as the old model.
While I respect that this is your opinion, if you don't have anything nice to say, then keep it to yourself please. You're welcome to sculpt your own if you feel that it could be better...
Vermis wrote: Big model + clown hat + covered in bonez + boring pose + tiny, tiny head =/= amazing and awesome.
That was my first reaction. The pose especially is terribly vanilla. The unnecessary swirling soul things are all more interestingly and dynamically posed than Nagash, who is just standing there holding a book and lifting a staff, all on the same plane. It is posed as if the model were being cast in a single piece of metal, only it isn't.
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Not the vibe I'm getting from the model at all. Granted, I'm looking forward to a better picture, but to me it looks like he is just now pronouncing the last verse of an incantation from on of the nine books of nagash, raising his staff to channel the raw magic of the warp as his newly awakened legions begin rising from the dirt to do battle for their undead master. Even the souls around him swirl in torment of being reclaimed from the land of the dead, but can't escape their master's call.
Yeah, I'm getting a different vibe.
One of them filthy casuals...
2014/08/15 14:48:47
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
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2014/08/15 14:48:52
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
It only works half of the time. How many cannons can you buy for 1000 points ?
Well, I can get three cannons...That's as much as I'm allowed to take. Haha.
Oh. I thought you could get much more. If I remember correctly, now there is a system of percentage of rare/special units, no? So, in a 2000 point games, you could bring like 500 points of cannon?
I remember that mercenary unit of cannons moved around by horses .
There's still a numbers cap (3 for special, 2 for rare IIRC). Otherwise, you could take 1000 points of cannon in 2000 as it's a special choice.
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2014/08/15 14:50:38
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
If you're going to tag differing opinions with "POS, horrible composition, people are blinded by nostalgia", don't expect a warm reception.
Nope, POS and horrible composition referred to the model, not the opinions.
Otherwise, if you're pledging to chuck money at an overpriced model of immediately questionable design and beardy rules*, don't expect overwhelming agreement for your personal judgement.
*I keep hearing how 8th and steadfast are balanced and stemmed the tide of herohammer. Then Mr. Boneygoomba's reappearance here involves being a one-man army. If this is a sign of things for ninth, watch my hopes drain away some more.
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Well... the new Nagash is at least better than the old Nagash.... (The old Nagash was a freakin' Muppet!)
I still wouldn't pay money for it though. It manages to be both too busy and dull at the same time.
Ah well....
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2014/08/15 14:55:26
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
Daba wrote: There's still a numbers cap (3 for special, 2 for rare IIRC). Otherwise, you could take 1000 points of cannon in 2000 as it's a special choice.
Is it “Only 3 special units”, or “Only 3 cannons”, or “Only three of each type of special units”?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/15 14:57:10
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
If a unit loses a battle but has more ranks than the enemy unit, then the losing unit tests against its regular LD. So if you got a unit of 60 Skaven Slaves that loses 16 Slaves to a unit of 15 Warriors of Chaos, they still test on their normal LD. Which means you may use your general's LD and re-roll the test with your BSB.
Vermis wrote: Nope, POS and horrible composition referred to the model, not the opinions.
Otherwise, if you're pledging to chuck money at an overpriced model of immediately questionable design and beardy rules*, don't expect a lot of regard for your... personal judgement.
Quality passive aggressive posting and a great example of how posts seemingly commenting on the quality of the product in fact comment on the consumer of said product.
10/10, would point out again.
2014/08/15 15:01:03
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
Is anyone else excited to see what this guy can do in storm of magic???? Looks like ill be buying its of zombies and skeletons. At least he won't be seen in any competitive enviroment due to his points cost
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
2014/08/15 15:02:42
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
angelofvengeance wrote: You're welcome to sculpt your own if you feel that it could be better...
Ermargherd, that's like the worst counterargument ever.
Lore of Undeath could summon say terrorghiests and WarSphinxen or only skellies and Tomb Guard.
Undead Legions could totally flip the script and be 50% lords. or up to 100% lords. I believe old He and Brets used to be able to get more % or amount of heros, this could also not fit the standard.
3000
4000 Deamons - Mainly a fantasy army now.
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2014/08/15 15:09:54
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
His knees seem to be pointing outward, like an opposite of the french knock kneed pose. Maybe better pictures will change my opinion, but currently I think it is a very boring model with poor design choices.
However, I would immediately give the victory to Nagash for the Warhammer world's ongoing Silly Hat Contest. Gobbos everywhere be mirin'.
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2014/08/15 15:15:03
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
I thought they removed the "magic level +1" restriction on how many dice you can roll to cast.
Does Nagash indicate it's being reinstated? Or am I mistaken.
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2014/08/15 15:21:18
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
If it was "some new model for a generic Vampire Counts monster kit with a $150.00 price tag", I would still be excited.
Because that would be a honking huge new Undead thing for my Vampire Counts...
Would I necessarily be buying said model? Maybe. Maybe not. It would entirely depend upon the model.
I'll buy one of these and sell it on to you for $150. Excited?
Nah, not enough skulls.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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Eldarain wrote: I thought they removed the "magic level +1" restriction on how many dice you can roll to cast.
Does Nagash indicate it's being reinstated? Or am I mistaken.
You can only use a max of 6 power dice to cast a spell.
Ah. Just a coincidence. Shame, I preferred it when you needed a powerful wizard to cast the top spells.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2014/08/15 15:30:03
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
Aliathra was rescued by the High Elves but she is in a magical slumber.....................
Hmmm, I don't think that's how it went though. According to the Dwarves book that continued that small story, they rescue her once, and then Mannfred stole her again right under Tyrion's nose.
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Legion: Dark Angels 
3000
4000 Deamons - Mainly a fantasy army now.
If this is a sign of things for ninth, watch my hopes drain away some more.
