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Glad you enjoyed it though and I wish it had done better at the box office because good Sci-Fi is so hard to come by when it does show up I'm always sad when it doesn't do well.

Ditto! Intellectual sci fi should always be supported.

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Just saw an advert on Crunchyroll for a Blade Runner 2022 Blackout.


Wonder if it's canon?

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It is one of the three short films commissioned to market BR2049 ... so yep.

   
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I really liked the touch that both Atari and PanAm are still going strong in the alternate future of 2049, a nice nod to the original film when their existence was unremarkable.
   
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 Manchu wrote:
It is one of the three short films commissioned to market BR2049 ... so yep.

Aren't those 2022, 2036 and 2048?

   
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 welshhoppo wrote:
Just saw an advert on Crunchyroll for a Blade Runner 2022 Blackout.
 Galef wrote:
Aren't those 2022, 2036 and 2048?
???

   
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I haven't seen the shorts yet, but what I took away from the movie about Wallace is that he wants to move from replicant manufacturer (where he has to make them) to slave breeder (where they make themselves and he controls them).
   
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MarkNorfolk wrote:
I haven't seen the shorts yet, but what I took away from the movie about Wallace is that he wants to move from replicant manufacturer (where he has to make them) to slave breeder (where they make themselves and he controls them).



I think Wallace is an interesting character.

Spoiler:
He seems to have an odd relationship with the Nexus-9. He calls them his children, yet he will happily gut one because she cannot reproduce.

I think, either he is still jelous and annoyed with Tyrell for making a superior model and having an inferiority complex, or he's annoyed that all his children are "flawed" in his eyes.

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I think he is certainly using the word "children" in a very abstract, metaphorical sense. Again, Wallace cares about the species rather than individuals. By contrast, Deckard in that conversation is talking only about individuals.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
I think he is certainly using the word "children" in a very abstract, metaphorical sense. Again, Wallace cares about the species rather than individuals. By contrast, Deckard in that conversation is talking only about individuals.



The needs of the many out way the needs of the few.


But I suppose it's the difference between Deckard and Wallace. Plenty of people would cause the death of many unknown people to save the life of their own child.

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 Manchu wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
Just saw an advert on Crunchyroll for a Blade Runner 2022 Blackout.
 Galef wrote:
Aren't those 2022, 2036 and 2048?
???


Yes, those are the years focused on in those shorts. 2022:Blackout, 2036: Nexus Dawn and 2048: Nowhere to run.

Key events in the timeline from 2019 to 2049.

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http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-deleted-scenes-hologram-fight/#joe-walker

They almost cut the fight between K and Deckard in the hologram showroom. Thankfully they didn't...it's a shame to hear about the apparently awesome Vegas entry/flyover that got cut though. Based on the art and designs i've seen it would have been epic. Really wish Denis would consider doing an extended cut, even though he said he doesn't do those.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-deleted-scenes-hologram-fight/#joe-walker

They almost cut the fight between K and Deckard in the hologram showroom. Thankfully they didn't...it's a shame to hear about the apparently awesome Vegas entry/flyover that got cut though. Based on the art and designs i've seen it would have been epic. Really wish Denis would consider doing an extended cut, even though he said he doesn't do those.


Maybe Ridley will get involved and they'll release 3 cuts with 3 different endings and then not tell anyone which is the right one for the next 30 years until Blade Runner 2069 comes out.

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So there wont be any deleted scenes for this on the disc. Comes out in digital on the 26th of this month and january 16th for the physical copies. Best buy is selling two nice steelbook versions...I'm debating on getting the 4k one even though I only have a standard blu ray player and tv. I cant wait until January to see it again so looks like I'm buying it twice regardless.

 
   
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Surely you jest,

deleted scenes on a 1st run disc? No, we all need to buy that so they can release a 2nd version with some of the deleted scenes, and then a 3rd one with more (probably with and edited version of the movie but not the cinema release)

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Surely you jest,

deleted scenes on a 1st run disc? No, we all need to buy that so they can release a 2nd version with some of the deleted scenes, and then a 3rd one with more (probably with and edited version of the movie but not the cinema release)


I thought prometheus and alien covenant had some on the initial release. But denis said he isnt fond of revealing deleted scenes since he said once a scene is cut its dead. In the end though we may get a bundle of the original and 2049 together in a special case in a few years with new features.

 
   
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Looking forward to the disk. I loved the movie and it kills me that did not had the same popularity of a lot of worse made crap.

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 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Looking forward to the disk. I loved the movie and it kills me that did not had the same popularity of a lot of worse made crap.
Starwars in particular. Blade runner just blows starwars out of the water.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Looking forward to the disk. I loved the movie and it kills me that did not had the same popularity of a lot of worse made crap.
Starwars in particular. Blade runner just blows starwars out of the water.

Spot on.
At the cost of sounding cheesy, is a miracle a movie like 2049 happened.

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I adore 2049, and am stunned it was even made. How much artistry and love went into this?

Treating the viewer with respect was a huge portion: Look at the relationships between K and his Wife. He then later encounters the vulgar hologram advertising Joi, and silently gains a new understanding of what they had. Then, he takes action to give himself actualization in life.

Truly, a miracle this film was made and sure to be a cult film for years.
   
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 Fractal Basilisk wrote:
I adore 2049, and am stunned it was even made. How much artistry and love went into this?
Treating the viewer with respect

So much this. Also I love how Joi is somewhat the new "is Deckard a replicant". You can interpret her character in at least 2 ways.

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I watched it again now that it's out.

I really want to love this movie, but I can't. It's still good, but I absolutely despise the last third of it or so simply from a storytelling perspective. I appreciate what it is trying to do, but the "twist" concerning K left a bad taste in my mouth the first time and the second viewing did nothing to improve it.
I can't think of another movie that is so visually stunning, has such great performances, and is also such an absolute letdown at the end.




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The "twist" is the point of the movie. If K became, say, part of the resistance or saved his boss from Luv, he would have remained a thing, a tool, that follows the order of others.
He used to think that being born means having a soul, but then Joi is killed and he has the bridge scene (the purple light one).

That scene is the new "is Deckard a replicant" and can be interpreted in one of these two ways:

I) K understands that the Joi he sees on the bridge is not "his" Joi, is a shallow fake that is only cosmetically similar to his "true" one. "His" Joi decided to become mortal (and paid for it), a "real girl", but follow the humanity she started to feel thank to him, as an act of absolute Will. Now is his turn for an act of that kind.
II) K understands that Joi is illusory and is made only to keep him in a bubble in which she says what he wants to hear. The twist comes as a realization of being entrapped within illusions, mostly created by himself. An act of absolute Will as before (and as before, dictated in part by empathy) is now nuanced with a shade of impulse for maturity.

If K is the "chosen", his acts (regardless what he decides to do with the resistance) are less interesting. The fact that he is really a nobody gives more importance to his decision.

He cannot kill Wallace, is not powerful enough arguably.. this is not the genre we could say. Wallace is the arrogant (and "blind") Demiurge that came to power after God-Tyrell fell. Is beyond his reach.
But this does not mean K cannot embrace the empathy and free will just discovered and follow them.
Arguably, is partly what Johnson wanted to do with Rey, but is nowhere as much skilled in writing as the people involved in 2049.

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By "twist" do you guys mean, that K is a replicant after all?

   
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 Manchu wrote:
By "twist" do you guys mean, that K is a replicant after all?

This is what I understood. I based my answer to trexmeyer to this, he will correct me if I did not get what he said.

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I ask because I think it's arguable.

Does the movie try to convince you that K isn't a replicant? Or does the movie try to get you to feel what K is feeling? If it's just the former, then sure that's a twist. But if it's the latter then I think the movie is inviting us to experience, along with K, the sometimes razor-fine distinction between hope and denial.

You know, this is a movie you can think about more and the more you think about it, the more you realize how good it is. I don't know what I will think about certain elements of the film years from now but for now I believe:

(a) K knows that he's a replicant, and so the audience knows it as well; he just dares to hope otherwise - as do we; and

(b) Joi is just a highly responsive app onto which K projects the interior emotional life he cannot afford to personally express

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"Her eyes were green" is also a musical interlude piece in the original soundtrack, btw.

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I do not think the movie ever expects you to think k is not a replicant. Hes too strong right from the get go. Its never in question that he is a replicant, even if he was a "born" replicant. (Which he isnt).

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 Manchu wrote:
I ask because I think it's arguable.

Does the movie try to convince you that K isn't a replicant? Or does the movie try to get you to feel what K is feeling? If it's just the former, then sure that's a twist. But if it's the latter then I think the movie is inviting us to experience, along with K, the sometimes razor-fine distinction between hope and denial.

You know, this is a movie you can think about more and the more you think about it, the more you realize how good it is. I don't know what I will think about certain elements of the film years from now but for now I believe:

(a) K knows that he's a replicant, and so the audience knows it as well; he just dares to hope otherwise - as do we; and

(b) Joi is just a highly responsive app onto which K projects the interior emotional life he cannot afford to personally express


Re: a) do you mean he hopes he is more than just a replicant?

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I think one of the themes of the movie revolves around does it matter if he is? What is Life/Soul/etc? IIRC the rebellion leader near the end says something along the lines of “being willing to die for your cause is the most human thing”

We have Joi, who is just a computer program. Is she just running code? Is she a person. She acts like a person, and is willing to risk/sacrifice herself for the one she loves. Or some facsimile thereof. Is she a real girl?

We have K. Who is a replicant. He starts as a cog in the machine, but throughout the movie we witness his coming of age story into a real person. The tipping point for that is the bridge scene. If his Joi was willing to make a human-like sacrifice, was she just a program? Or a person? She started as the hologram, but grew to be the woman who loved him. If she could do that, what’s his excuse not to fight for what he believes in?

IMHO the major theme in the movie is “what does it mean to be alive?” We have programs, replicants, and humans, all showing various facets of life and free will, of soul and body. And we aren’t spoon fed and answer, but need to think about it.

Which is the best hallmark of quality sci-fi.

   
 
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