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I assume it's a 'greatest hits' box that also allows balanced c3 play between the 16 factions. Probably at a reduced points value as some factions barely scratched a useful 300pts.

I'll likely have no use for the full box as I've got almost everything I wanted for the 6 factions I kept. Maybe if there's smaller faction packs or the opportunity for singles I'll look into it.

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Hmmm... if so, that would have to mean this will be "PVC" of some sort, and...that's troubling - at least up front.

Confrontation as a 'brand' needs beautiful sculpts and high quality materials in order to survive and do well...

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I could belive 178 minis might be doable for a reasonable cost, but 178 different minis...... if that's in plastic that is going to be expensive

 
   
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Baltimore, MD USA

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I could belive 178 minis might be doable for a reasonable cost, but 178 different minis...... if that's in plastic that is going to be expensive


Well it doesn't say 178 different minis. Just 178 minis over 16 factions... so at minimum 11 or so individual minis, but potentially 178 individual sculpts. I would wager at around 11 minis per faction it would be 1 hero, and maybe 2 or 3 troops in multiples.... I wonder if these will be the pre-painted plastic mini plastics, just not painted.

edit: Just re-read. It does say 178 "Unique" sculpts... so who knows.

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C'mon's 7 Sins was all PVC & I got a huge box of minis (not sure how many) for $215. I think its doable.

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 bubber wrote:
C'mon's 7 Sins was all PVC & I got a huge box of minis (not sure how many) for $215. I think its doable.


Yes. And Wrath of Kings had 5 factions of around 30-40 models each at $200. So, it is doable. I am interested.
   
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It is no doubt 'doable' but is it 'doable' in terms of that price point and high quality?

   
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If it's at the quality of CMoNs latest stuff then I would say yes.
   
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I'd want them to also combine the CMON WoK's use of ABS on weapons as well though...

   
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 .Mikes. wrote:
I hope they have a book onlu option though.


Further to this - I hope they have add on options to buy decks of faction cards. We've all got minis we bought second hand that don't have cards.

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A video interview with Sans Detours this weekend from a con in Cannes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKsjbdxuBO4

Take aways (as my limited French unsderstands:
- The KS will come in a box
- Each of the 16 factions present in Conf v3 will be represented in the box
- The KS will produce 178 unique models (IE, no repeats)
- Confrontation Resurrection, the game, will be ready in 1029, and takes place after the Ragnarok
- All existing factions will be present "One way or another"
- The rules in Resurrection will be new, but will go back to 'the fundamentals of the game" and be skirmish level
- Rules will allow quick immersion, and will be quick to play.
- SD want the Classic Confrontation KS to be a luanch pad for new players as well as something for existing players.
- Everything (model wise) in the KS will be usable in Resurrection.
- I believe he confirmed old models will be usable on Resurrection.
- There will be a role playing game.
- There will be a board game.

They finished with some images which I believe were the forces which will be available int he KS:






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From someone who spoke to SD at the con:

"Figs will be good plastic, but with two different plastics (like mythic battle), a harder for small parts.
It will be a big box, with 178 figs + strechs goals, with a playable component by faction.
Then, in 2019, new rules, new figs (including akkyshans !!), and derivative products (board games, role playing ...). Among the old figs, only the figs of the first KS will be playable with Resurrection."

So it sounds like it will be a single pledge level with 178 models plus rulebook..... that sounds expensive.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I really hope they open up pledge options. One the one hand a simple all in one box is much easier for them to produce in terms of packaging and complexity of orders to process.

On the other hand one big way to make more money in a KS is to allow almost free-form ordering of models; it generally results in a lot more people buying into the game.

Of course if they are dead set on 2019 they might only want to fund rather than become the next biggest KS launch (as we've seen time and agian with models not only are deadlines notoriously inaccurate; but most times than not a much bigger order can result in issues that a more modest KS wouldn't throw up - ergo production orders end up way larger and the KS has to split into multiple shipping waves and the like).



All that said a high quality plastic 178 miniatures boxed set runs a high risk of having a highish price; that means fewer people will jump on board; esp to start with. Hopefully they can offer a few cheaper options.

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Melbourne, Australia

 Overread wrote:

On the other hand one big way to make more money in a KS is to allow almost free-form ordering of models; it generally results in a lot more people buying into the game.

Of course if they are dead set on 2019 they might only want to fund rather than become the next biggest KS launch (as we've seen time and agian with models not only are deadlines notoriously inaccurate; but most times than not a much bigger order can result in issues that a more modest KS wouldn't throw up - ergo production orders end up way larger and the KS has to split into multiple shipping waves and the like).


Sorry, I might not have been explicit in the above - the KS for Confrontation Classic (a reissue of Conf 3rd ed) will launch in April. 2019 will see the release of a new edition of Confrontation which will not be kickstarted.

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UK

Mikes aye, but I would wager they'd need to complete the KS before going live with a range relaunch. Not just for public relations (ergo ks backers not getting products before retail is getting brand new sculpts of new products); but also from a manufacture and business side of things - ergo actually having enough free staff to produce and work for a retail launch.


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Melbourne, Australia

Okeedoke. Just making sure I didn't give a wrong impression.

Although it does seem as if they're using existing sculpts, so that would be a big time sink gone there. We'll see I suppose, lots of details are still up the air.


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And one more round up from someone who can actually speak French (so losing my crappy translating skills):

"KS classic in April:
- 178 figures from the 16 armies of the game, put together in a big single box Conan format.
- 3D scan of existing parts to redo masters.
- Plastic molding, Conan quality or Myhtic Battles.
- Reprint a C3 collector book without the slightest change in rules (I do not even know if 3.5 will be put in it).
- The figs of KS will be entirely playable in the future Confrontation Resurrection.
- Availability only via KS, these pieces will never be available for shops.
- The idea is to put Confrontation back on the scene (the range has been dead for 10 years, a lot of current players have simply never played, or even have not heard about it) the time to refine Resurrection.

Resurrection:
- New system of integral game.
- Coming in 2019.
- Destined to be available in store.

My personal impressions :
- Most of the figures of Classic will be simple reprint, but some new surprises will be in, otherwise I do not understand anything.
- Square pedestals for Classic, since the C3 rules will be provided with it would not make any sense to do otherwise.
- With a box "Conan format", we can expect a price "Conan format", so between 150 & 200 € the pledge, plus FdP & possible addons pay."


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From my POV, a single, massive box pledge is a mistake. It looks like the models will be preprints of existing ones. Existing players will already have the rules and models, and why would new players want to sink a fair hcunk of money in a system which, by the manufacturer's own mission statement, has no future?

Lots of KSs have shown the demand for a pick-you-particular-force approach to pledges. Mantis is a good example of this, especially Vanguard. The campaign flagged until they offered individual force add ons.

I hope I'm wrong and they don't do the Conan-esque only route.

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It does seem a bit odd the rules were quite good but not even tweeking them is weird - the latter would have maybe generated interest in the system.

Pretty dead here about outs with some many competitors in the skirmish market - I must own at least twenty different rules - probably more.

We had a big organiser for games here but even he sold most of his (for good money) after a final tourney about 7 years ago.

I remember when they came out they were so different to everything else - especially the Wolfen /Devourers (my favs) but now not so much - Ancient King even gave us more of these - most of mine are still sitting in the box sadly.

Are they re-doing the cards?

If you are trying to drum up awareness but keeping the shops out of the loop that does seem counterintuitive?

The Conan and Pantheon figures are really excellent so if they keep that quality I might get a few more Devourers as they are more easily converted than metal - esp with the Ancient king figures but would not go for a big box as many I am not that bothered about.

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Melbourne, Australia

They're not tweaking the rules for Classic. The re work will come in Resurrection next year.

Anyway, I contacted SD about my concerns. The replied, not exactly addressing them, but they did say that one detail that hasn't been released yet was that the rules for Resurrection would be released for free when the KS is delivered, so that's something.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I'm not sure that selling a big box is going to be a mistake,

it's all very well thinking this is intended to appeal to existing collectors/players of confrontation but i'm not really sure that is the case,

if you collect/play (or used to) you probably have a bunch of the existing stuff so are actually not an ideal target

(maybe if they can offer some smaller pledge levels, but that's going to put up picking/packing costs, possibly quite significantly, I;ve seen several campaigns quoting about $1-2 per item picked at the individual pledge level, plus extra costs to have the items individual anyway, and the more picking gets done the more mistakes that need sorting with extra shipping costs too)

what they're probably looking at is the KS (boardgame) backer who wants big boxed of minis for 'value' (and if they're honest with themselves may not use them or the game they came with).

Sell a big box of stuff, get the secondary market energised with a bunch of re-selling when the box delivers and hope that extra interest and name recognition helps when they deliver the new game they really want to make


One thing that may be of some concern is what they'd be taking these existing sculpts from, if they've got original masters fine, but if they're dependant on scanning retail casts that plus the normal PVC shrinkage may be an issue

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UK

Wasn't there the re-caster who pulled their website stock/sales with a note that they were going to work official with the IP owners? That would likely be a source of production?

At least if the re-caster website is being honest.


Also they will have ot nail the details on this release, if they mess it up then even if its not the core product it will still reflect very badly upon them.

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"PVC" here is a red flag.

Hopefully they'll have some 'representative samples' to show us at or around launch time.

   
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The problem with a big box format is that there are a lot of the range that are kind of stinkers (lots of the Griffin, many Wolfen, many of the Kelts, some of the elves). They were a little above average when they came out, but are now decidedly below average. The translation to PVC should also be a big problem with shrinkage. Many belts, straps, faces and wrinkles will shrink into melty territory. Many of the sculpts were already pretty willowy (cynwall ankles, kelt fiannas,etc.). I worry that shrinkage will move them into Sedition Wars wave 2 territory.
   
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Houston, TX

 Alpharius wrote:
"PVC" here is a red flag.

Hopefully they'll have some 'representative samples' to show us at or around launch time.


Yuuuup. You can't just scan an existing metal sculpt and recast it in PVC. You have to account for how the different material works and shrinks. Also, while Confrontation sculpts may have been top notch 15 years ago, a good number of them now look super dated (griffons, goblins and orcs in particular), and looked bad even in the line. Just re[printing the same older mediocre sculpts won't raw in a new audience, and lots of us have huge amounts already (Thanks mini market 80% off clearance!)


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 Gallahad wrote:
The problem with a big box format is that there are a lot of the range that are kind of stinkers (lots of the Griffin, many Wolfen, many of the Kelts, some of the elves). They were a little above average when they came out, but are now decidedly below average. The translation to PVC should also be a big problem with shrinkage. Many belts, straps, faces and wrinkles will shrink into melty territory. Many of the sculpts were already pretty willowy (cynwall ankles, kelt fiannas,etc.). I worry that shrinkage will move them into Sedition Wars wave 2 territory.


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 Gallahad wrote:
The problem with a big box format is that there are a lot of the range that are kind of stinkers (lots of the Griffin, many Wolfen, many of the Kelts, some of the elves). They were a little above average when they came out, but are now decidedly below average. The translation to PVC should also be a big problem with shrinkage. Many belts, straps, faces and wrinkles will shrink into melty territory. Many of the sculpts were already pretty willowy (cynwall ankles, kelt fiannas,etc.). I worry that shrinkage will move them into Sedition Wars wave 2 territory.


Good point - and horrifyingly scary one too!

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At the same time, scanning them gives you a base mesh to work off. It's a lot easier to adjust an existing mesh to allow for shrinkage than it is to sculpt afresh.
   
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Was Conan and Pantheon PVC or something else as they have some pretty slim figures?


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I just want the rest of the devourers I missed out on, mostly things like headhunters.

A PVC copy of the Master of Carnage, still my all time favourite 28mm mini, and 100 odd very average sculpts to get it, is not going to get me to sign up.
   
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NoggintheNog wrote:
I just want the rest of the devourers I missed out on, mostly things like headhunters.

A PVC copy of the Master of Carnage, still my all time favourite 28mm mini, and 100 odd very average sculpts to get it, is not going to get me to sign up.


Pretty much played exclusively Devourers - big armoured males and the odd Eclipsante or Elf/elves to fill out the points, The Eclipsante mainly because she looked so cool, she never did much

Usually did pretty well in games.

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The only models I really want are actually from the pre-painted game line - the Griffin mounted Templars. Well, those, the Goblin pirates and the undead king on his throne.
   
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In my opinion, most of the old Confrontation line really stands up against most of the ranges that are currently running. The Kelts and Drunes are still just as good as any other barbarian faction out there. The samurai and ninja goblins are amazing. Many of the orcs are, by far, better than most that are available today. I just don't know why people consider these sculpts, even if they are 15+ years old, poor compared with other companies.

For my part, I am not really interested in getting an entire box of figures. However, if there is an option to chose specific miniatures, then I would for sure pick up some of my favorite figures. Some of the Confrontation range are still some of my favorite miniatures, and it is not because of nostalgic reasons, but because they do stand up against the test of time.

Am I concerned about PVC? For sure. That might turn out terrible, especially on some of the more delicate figures, as mentioned above. But I'll leave that concern until the KS starts and once I can see some prototypes. Going into this blind without seeing any of the prototypes first, well, I'll probably skip that and if so wait for retail. But hopefully, they will come a bit more prepared, albeit I am a bit worried they won't seeing how the English-speaking audience is pretty much neglected. And I'd assume that they will stand for the majority of the support world-wide.

   
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PVC can mean so many things, the Wrath of Kings minis (some of which are very close to Confrontation Wolfen in design) actually came out fine.

That's not to say it's a guaranteed success either, but maybe they can pull it off. I'm going to wait and see.

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