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The Facebook guy doesn't seem to be all that well-informed.

Have there been any Made to Order events where they had minis that were previously mdistibuted in finecast? If so, and those were metal, then it seems overwhelmingly likely that these are all going to be metal as well.

Casting metal is faster by the way.

It depends on whether or not they kept the old metal molds.

Those resin channels will NOT work with pewter and vice versa (which is why they didn't automatically switch everything to finecast).

If they're just breaking out the old molds, we might be seeing the first Made To Order finecast models.

Do the finecast versions of the older metal models use a different mold? I was always under the impression that for GW the main advantage of finecast was that it allowed them to keep using there existing tooling.

Edit- And MechaEmp just answered that question

Guys, it costs almost nothing to make a new mold for metal models, as long as they still have the masters.

That was originally in metal.

Korlandril wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
All of those miniatures were originally in metal - all of the previous made-to-order spans have been in metal.

And the fb page did say they were unsure if they would all be in metal. That's why I said the ones that had been done in resin I own finecast and a metal version so we will see what they do.

Elbows wrote:That was originally in metal.

Come on dude basic reading comprehension

 streetsamurai wrote:
guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's

They're releasing Eldrad seperately for you.

CSM didn't even get a seperate Cypher release. We still have to buy the SM Triumvirate box to get hold of Cypher.

I'm just hoping I don't have to buy another eldar triumvirate to get the ynnari rules.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's

They're releasing Eldrad seperately for you.

CSM didn't even get a seperate Cypher release. We still have to buy the SM Triumvirate box to get hold of Cypher.

Though Eldrad was in a box set that is no longer avaliable. You can still buy Cypher and Eldar's own Ynarri Triumvirate box isn't getting their characters sold separately either.

 Mmmpi wrote:
I'm just hoping I don't have to buy another eldar triumvirate to get the ynnari rules.

If you've already got the Index then you have the Ynnari rules. I'm pretty sure the Triumvirate reboxing is just going to be exactly the same as the Eldar and Dark Eldar reboxing of recent months.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's

They're releasing Eldrad seperately for you.

CSM didn't even get a seperate Cypher release. We still have to buy the SM Triumvirate box to get hold of Cypher.

Cypher will likely come out as a clampack when the dark angel codex comes along.

eBay?

I'll hold my breath for a bit still, but our ghost warrior preview does not lift my spirit. Giving morale protection to wraith units, which are almost universally run in MSU, is almost as laughably blind to how they are used as is providing an increased to-hit bonus on units who primarily auto-hit. I get the desire to improve wraithblades, which are neat conceptually, but hitting power isn't their big lack: proper mobility, high point cost and the general weakness of melee is. Toughness 6 is nice, mostly against conscript and heavy bolter fire, but plasma and multiwound weapons is what they really need good protection against: I would have much preferred a 2+ save or a FNP instead. Wraithguard were solid before, so I guess anything that makes them better is good, but even then wraithguard are only decent by the standards of a typical army, standing out in Eldar land because most everything else is such nonsense. Wraithlords to 8 is also significant for the bolter fire, but they will need a big points reduction to be even remotely worth taking. I'd love for them to be, mind you, but it doesn't feel like it's in the cards after so many editions of being underwhelming. Similarly, wraithknights need a whole lot of love to even be brought into line with imperial knights...which, one should point out, aren't actually very good this edition either. You could probably shave 100 points off of a wraithknight and they wouldn't be a top tier unit. A lot of this is to do with the cost of our weapons, which are just overbearingly expensive.

I'm really looking for guardians to drop to 6 so we can have a reasonable troop choice, big drops in costs on wraithlords and wraithknights and some mobility fixes. I do dig he spirit seer fix, because I think having a wave serpent with 5 wraithguard and a spirit seer trucking along for support and smiting is just what I want for my ghost warriors. My hemlock flying overhead feels solid as well. Now I just need some medium and giant walkers to not suck butt. I tend to think wraithblades are a lost cause without some maaajor reworking. They just aren't the sort of unit that works.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
eBay?

Nah, if I wanted recasts, I'd get recasts.

T8 also helps against Battle cannons and melta. Getting those to a 4+ to wound is a big change. Doesn't help against las cannons though.

 Mmmpi wrote:
T8 also helps against Battle cannons and melta. Getting those to a 4+ to wound is a big change. Doesn't help against las cannons though.

Not like it's much of a surprise tho. Wraithlords have been killed by 3 lascannon wounds on a 3+ to hit since 1998.

Wraithlords should be weak to anti-wraithlord weapons like lascannons though.

I think it's strange that it has a degrading statline when Dreadnoughts don't. That irks me.

With Iyanden though, it doesn't start to degrade until it's taken enough wounds to kill a dreadnought.

drakerocket wrote:
I'll hold my breath for a bit

Please don't. None of your wishlisting is going to happen.

Maybe a price adjustment on guardians.

They've already said about wraithlords

they don’t even cost any more points!

That should not be read as "they're going to be 50 points cheaper each!"

 Cream Tea wrote:
Wraithlords should be weak to anti-wraithlord weapons like lascannons though.

I think it's strange that it has a degrading statline when Dreadnoughts don't. That irks me.

It's not a Dread +1, it's a Contemptor Dread -1. (And that irks me)

Contemptor 165 pts with wargear (Kheres Assault cannon, combi bolter, dread ccw)
M 9" *
WS 2+ *
BS 2+ *
S7x2
T7
W10
A 4
LD8
Sv 3+/5++



Wraithlord 155 points with wargear (2x famers, 2x shuriken cannons, ghost glaive)
M8" *
WS 3+ *
BS 3+ *
S7+2
T7 (confirmed T8 in codex)
W10
A 3
LD 9
Sv 3+

* = stats that degrade

 Destroyer_742 wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
Wraithlords should be weak to anti-wraithlord weapons like lascannons though.

I think it's strange that it has a degrading statline when Dreadnoughts don't. That irks me.

It's not a Dread +1, it's a Contemptor Dread -1. (And that irks me)

Contemptor 165 pts with wargear (Kheres Assault cannon, combi bolter, dread ccw)
M 9" *
WS 2+ *
BS 2+ *
S7x2
T7
W10
A 4
LD8
Sv 3+/5++



Wraithlord 155 points with wargear (2x famers, 2x shuriken cannons, ghost glaive)
M8" *
WS 3+ *
BS 3+ *
S7+2
T7 (confirmed T8 in codex)
W10
A 3
LD 9
Sv 3+

* = stats that degrade

I agree that a WL is the Eldar version of a Contemptor, but it's substantially cheaper when outfitted similarly. Forgoing the flamers alone makes it about 30 points cheaper than a Contemptor., and you might also want to leave off the Ghostglaive. With T8 on the WL, neither one jumps out to me as being significantly better than the other. Which may be a problem since no one is using Contemptors, but still.

They are pushing for themed armies though. So really only in Iyanden is the wraithlord good. Unless it has 1 HP remainng its never at its worse statline. For most of the the game it will be at its normal non degraded stats.

str00dles1 wrote:
They are pushing for themed armies though. So really only in Iyanden is the wraithlord good. Unless it has 1 HP remainng its never at its worse statline. For most of the the game it will be at its normal non degraded stats.

I don't see much reason to think this will be true. Presumably all of the Attributes will affect the WL. Not degrading is nice but it's easy to imagine more valuable ones. For example, maybe one of the Craftworlds will get the Salamanders' tactic. It's actually pretty surprising just how unsuited Iyanden's Attribute is for a themed army -- it's basically useless for Wraithguard unless you're expecting to see 5+ of your 10-man squad get killed in a single turn, and then it's a fairly modest buff to WLs but is probably actually more useful for shooty grav tanks (assuming those are good now).

I have to agree that the Iyanden Craftworld trait is pretty pants...as it only buffs using other larger units.

 Silentz wrote:

drakerocket wrote:
I'll hold my breath for a bit

Please don't. None of your wishlisting is going to happen.

Maybe a price adjustment on guardians.

They've already said about wraithlords

they don’t even cost any more points!

That should not be read as "they're going to be 50 points cheaper each!"

They were talking about Wraithblades not Wraithlords in regards to being no more expensive, so thats a minimum 35pts for a S6, T6, 3W, Sv3+ infantry model with 4 attacks each on the charge with Swords. They have said nothing about any possible changes to Wraithlords so far other than the Iyanden trait meaning you have to take 8 wounds off them before they start to degrade.

What would really make the Iyanden trait pants is if we see a decent price drop for Wraith Knights. Bring back 3-4 Wraith Knight Meta, boys.

I'd buy them. Zero shame.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
What would really make the Iyanden trait pants is if we see a decent price drop for Wraith Knights. Bring back 3-4 Wraith Knight Meta, boys.

I'd buy them. Zero shame.

I hope so... my Wraithknight has sat unpainted since I bought the Ghost Warriors box and it would be nice to ebay it for a decent price!

 xttz wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
What would really make the Iyanden trait pants is if we see a decent price drop for Wraith Knights. Bring back 3-4 Wraith Knight Meta, boys.

I'd buy them. Zero shame.

I hope so... my Wraithknight has sat unpainted since I bought the Ghost Warriors box and it would be nice to ebay it for a decent price!

I have 3 WKs that I bought back in early 6th ed when they were just Heavy Support MCs (and thus reasonable to take 2-3). Ever since 7th made them LoW GMCs, I've hardly been able to take more than 1 in all but the most extreme circumstances.

I'd really like to be able to take 2 in a casual game without being TFG, or spend half my army's points.

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My only wish for this s codex is no super OP codex that make them terrors like every freaking edition before. Balanced sure, but if I have to play unbeatable eldar for another Edition I'm going to scream!

I think that's what everybody wants. A strong, competent codex featuring neither: useless units, or broken/uber units.