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It's either the sculpt or the way its posed but the extarch looks a bit masculine in the face for a banshee. Then again it might be the angle of the shot or the way the chest armour appears a little more neutral in shape compared to the old models.

That said great pose and great to see another shot. The finecase ones are also gone from the UK store

Interesting preview, looks like the ynarri will have variations on craftworlds unit options, walking a very different path, whatever that actually amounts too

Again, while I am floored to finally see a plastic aspect and can't wait to see if the rumors of Jain Zar are true, these sculpts just don't seem consistent with the level of work we've seen recently. I really hope it's just the posing and position of the camera, but I can't help but feel these still look dated.

 Overread wrote:
It's either the sculpt or the way its posed but the extarch looks a bit masculine in the face for a banshee. Then again it might be the angle of the shot or the way the chest armour appears a little more neutral in shape compared to the old models.

That said great pose and great to see another shot. The finecase ones are also gone from the UK store

It's partly they painted her as an older female and also that GW is really bad at making feminine faces.


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kingheff wrote:
Interesting preview, looks like the ynarri will have variations on craftworlds unit options, walking a very different path, whatever that actually amounts too

Picking exarch powers again could be quite nice.

Nvs wrote:
Again, while I am floored to finally see a plastic aspect and can't wait to see if the rumors of Jain Zar are true, these sculpts just don't seem consistent with the level of work we've seen recently. I really hope it's just the posing and position of the camera, but I can't help but feel these still look dated.

I think is both the colour palette and the pose, the helmet less one ( wich just means it uses a forceshield for head protection according to Jes designs) looks way better just by the red adding into it, as it seems to give a different perspective than the almost monochrome bone colour of the armor.

Isn't it that the Aspects aren't gender specific, but the armor might be?

Could very well be that the Exarch is meant to be a male.

that's right too, aspects aren't gender specific as any sex can be part of those, only the Banshees armor are decorated as all women due the lore behind them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Isn't it that the Aspects aren't gender specific, but the armor might be?

Could very well be that the Exarch is meant to be a male.

It definitely is meant to be male.

Hopefully since this is a full plastic kit with exactly 1 weapon option, they've got enough space on the sprue to give us a female head as well. Because as of right now, there is no plastic bit for a female CWE head we could use to convert.

I'm getting more and more excited. It's funny really because I've always loved the 3rd edition spade-head banshees more so than the 4th edition sculpts that they're just now retiring - but the fact that these are coming in plastic, I'm just overjoyed that they still look like proper Banshees so the fact that they don't look like my favourite iteration has barely even crossed my mind. I'm having to tell myself not to buy too many of them because my wallet will weep if they do more aspects any time soon.

I'm not particularly bothered about the bare head - where there's a helmeted option I'll always go that way. Plus since the writeup describes the bare head as being for the Ynnari, well, I'm pure Asuryani and always will be. The bare heads will live in my bitz collection forevermore.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
that's right too, aspects aren't gender specific as any sex can be part of those, only the Banshees armor are decorated as all women due the lore behind them.

Yeah, the Banshees represent a female aspect and as such they have traditionally attracted female eldar - but they get a number of male recruits as well. All of them wear the stylised armour which represents the female eldar form. I headcanon it the same way for the other aspects in that they attract both male and female recruits, and all of them wear the 'male' styled armour of those shrines. It's why I'm always left slightly bemused when people go out of their way to make 'female' eldar (often psykers), and do so merely by giving them huge knockers. As far as I'm concerned, the regular models could be either gender. I explain the 1-in-4 guardians with boobplate in the same fashion as the Banshees, i.e. that particular set of guardian armour has been styled based on the female eldar form rather than the male.

 Bellerophon wrote:
I'm getting more and more excited. It's funny really because I've always loved the 3rd edition spade-head banshees more so than the 4th edition sculpts that they're just now retiring - but the fact that these are coming in plastic, I'm just overjoyed that they still look like proper Banshees so the fact that they don't look like my favourite iteration has barely even crossed my mind. I'm having to tell myself not to buy too many of them because my wallet will weep if they do more aspects any time soon.

I'm not particularly bothered about the bare head - where there's a helmeted option I'll always go that way. Plus since the writeup describes the bare head as being for the Ynnari, well, I'm pure Asuryani and always will be. The bare heads will live in my bitz collection forevermore.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
that's right too, aspects aren't gender specific as any sex can be part of those, only the Banshees armor are decorated as all women due the lore behind them.

Yeah, the Banshees represent a female aspect and as such they have traditionally attracted female eldar - but they get a number of male recruits as well. All of them wear the stylised armour which represents the female eldar form. I headcanon it the same way for the other aspects in that they attract both male and female recruits, and all of them wear the 'male' styled armour of those shrines. It's why I'm always left slightly bemused when people go out of their way to make 'female' eldar (often psykers), and do so merely by giving them huge knockers. As far as I'm concerned, the regular models could be either gender. I explain the 1-in-4 guardians with boobplate in the same fashion as the Banshees, i.e. that particular set of guardian armour has been styled based on the female eldar form rather than the male.

I've got the 2nd ed metal Farseer who has a giant moose head, so I guess their armor was styled around the moose eldar form rather than either the male or the female.

Nice miniatures, but if they're switching proper Eldar over to Ynnari I'm definitely done. Will consider snagging some models/rules for home-brewed 40K or something, but the Ynnari storyline is so gak I can't support that.

 Elbows wrote:
Nice miniatures, but if they're switching proper Eldar over to Ynnari I'm definitely done. Will consider snagging some models/rules for home-brewed 40K or something, but the Ynnari storyline is so gak I can't support that.

It seems they went middle of tje road by making the ynarri option part of the kit but also appeasing the traditionalists.

This looks like the first step of "normalising" ynnarified CWE and it will seep it into the rest of the range/lore/culture like a tumour..paving the way of full primarisation of the eldar. *sighh* ohh well this was going to happen sooner or later. At least that day is a good couple years from now and for now they let us have options. But if this is the price we have to pay to get new CWE kits. So be it.

more likely they're taking steps towards making Ynnari have their own distinct visual style and supporting that with options in a kit. It's a sign of the Ynnari moving towards having their own distinct identity rather then just being "eldar soup with special characters"

I don't mind them including options in the box to make it Ynnari, so long as I don't have to use them and can make a proper Asuryani model.

Jes Goodwin's concept sketches for the Exarch of each Aspect included a helmetless version so I wouldn't say that helmetless version is necessarily always Ynnari.

So 6 Howling Banshee Exarch powers to choose from, normally it seems at the expense of War Shout (unless using the Exemplar of the Banshee Shrine). I wonder if that is the new thing now going forward for eventually the other Aspects as well.

It seems like the Exarch powers allow the Exarch to focus on an aspect of their Aspect (pun intended). Piercing Strike and arming with an executioner seems to basically focus on Jain Zarr's Blade of Destruction. I imagine another power might focus on the mirrorswords and about sheer number of attacks rather than high strength attacks.

So what do people think of Piercing Strike? Exarch will then have 2 A at S7 -3 D3. But the rest of the squad may still underperform.

Iracundus wrote:
Jes Goodwin's concept sketches for the Exarch of each Aspect included a helmetless version so I wouldn't say that helmetless version is necessarily always Ynnari.

So 6 Howling Banshee Exarch powers to choose from, normally it seems at the expense of War Shout (unless using the Exemplar of the Banshee Shrine). I wonder if that is the new thing now going forward for eventually the other Aspects as well.

It seems like the Exarch powers allow the Exarch to focus on an aspect of their Aspect (pun intended). Piercing Strike and arming with an executioner seems to basically focus on Jain Zarr's Blade of Destruction. I imagine another power might focus on the mirrorswords and about sheer number of attacks rather than high strength attacks.

So what do people think of Piercing Strike? Exarch will then have 2 A at S7 -3 D3. But the rest of the squad may still underperform.

Its not an un-imaginative "reroll all the stuffs" ability so it makes it a step in the right direction, I like it.

However, 2 attacks hitting on 3+ is still only 2 attacks hitting on 3+... damage being 3 is nice but unless they up the Exarchs WS to 2+ (as they should as well as extra attacks on the charge) I don't see it making that much of a difference and seems a bit meh. But, having 2 of those dudes in their 5 man squads jump out of a WS on a suicide run to cut down enemy characters sounds like a useful tool providing they don't cost it stupid points. I'm looking forward to what other traits/weapons you can give the exarch

Its very interesting peek into things to come. We might even end up with a very fleshed out model and rules for all for the aspects.
Maybe they will bring the trickle back.. who knows!

Maybe codex 2.0 is on the horizon with all of the neat rules and tricks for aspects and exarchs. Either way I will be buying and running some banshees for sure! I'm looking forward to them

any army that gets a large model release can proably expect a codex 2.0 (weather it'll be ala space marines. or chaos space marines though is the real question) 1 new kit or so makes a new codex immediatly doubtful. as evidanced by the lack of a new admech codex

Certainly not for one kit I agree...

Providing they don't half arse it and we get a slam dunk of all the aspects (and maybe PLs 2.0 codex would likely follow) that wouldn't be out of realms of probability but I wont be getting my hopes up.

Lets hope they don't stop on just 2 kits(we know at least one more kit is incoming as the scenic base from the rumour thread does not match the exarch) and do what needs to be done for the pointy ears.

Looks like we may get a variant on the sprue, but they will be a ynnari version.

This makes sense as they can basically release a unit for two factions with one box.

I'd like to see multiple weapon options for the banshees - all mirrorblades or executioners.

Then you could have a unit led by their exarch with identical weapons

I am not sure about this. Six abilities for a single Aspect, that's too much of a rule bloat. If every aspect has the same it's crazy rule bloat, more than DE drugs.

GW trying to feed me Ynnari on a little spoon carefully, I'll eat one for the case of plastic aspects, but that's how they have you and then own you, do they?

Face without helmet just has too rad highlights, make it softer and it's fine. Yeah not anime elf maiden with flowing hair but what do you expect. Delicious flat chest on Exarch however pairs her in memes with Idranel I guess.

...will Jain Zar have all 6 Aspect Powers?

 Shadenuat wrote:
I am not sure about this. Six abilities for a single Aspect, that's too much of a rule bloat. If every aspect has the same it's crazy rule bloat, more than DE drugs.

GW trying to feed me Ynnari on a little spoon carefully, I'll eat one for the case of plastic aspects, but that's how they have you and then own you, do they?

Face without helmet just has too rad highlights, make it softer and it's fine. Yeah not anime elf maiden with flowing hair but what do you expect. Delicious flat chest on Exarch however pairs her in memes with Idranel I guess.

...will Jain Zar have all 6 Aspect Powers?

What do you mean? I don't understand what you said man..

(Have you been drinking buddy?)

 Argive wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
I am not sure about this. Six abilities for a single Aspect, that's too much of a rule bloat. If every aspect has the same it's crazy rule bloat, more than DE drugs.

GW trying to feed me Ynnari on a little spoon carefully, I'll eat one for the case of plastic aspects, but that's how they have you and then own you, do they?

Face without helmet just has too rad highlights, make it softer and it's fine. Yeah not anime elf maiden with flowing hair but what do you expect. Delicious flat chest on Exarch however pairs her in memes with Idranel I guess.

...will Jain Zar have all 6 Aspect Powers?

What do you mean? I don't understand what you said man..

(Have you been drinking buddy?)

I think he's implying Ynnari options is all part of a master plan to force yannari on people content with craft worlds.. or something

You'll have to ruin Dakka traditions with selective quoting if you want proper answer but drinking, oh yes, always.

Its just that I didn't really get the gist of any of what you said not one specific thing

Maybe its just my brain going to sleep. It is nearly 5AM.

I also think 6 is too many. Because in typical GW fashion 1-2 will get used as they will be much batter than the rest and nobody will remember other powers exists creating needless bloat. Fingers crossed 6 traits will mean 6 load out options...But I wont hold my breath.

I don't think Jain Zair will get acess to 6 of the aspect traits.

But I hope she will get different style modes.
Something along the lines of:

1. Power Strike - + xx STr +xx Damage +XX AP and -1 hit penalty
2. Neutral strike - exploding hits on 5+ and +1A or something
3. The flurry strike - +3A

Or whatever the top tier banshee exarchs perk will be but slightly better.

All wishy washy stuff aside.

Do we think this will mean a new Data Sheet for banshees? As they seem to be adding abilities this seems possible.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

But it's only a middle step between Manchester and Sheffield.

 Argive wrote:
Do we think this will mean a new Data Sheet for banshees? As they seem to be adding abilities this seems possible.

Given the Exarch is changing, yes - a new datasheet will be required for the unit.

Whether we see changes to anything but the Exarch? I don't know.

I'd like to see their power sword turned into a unit-specific weapon (Banshee blade?) with an increased S value - part of the reason they were deadly in 2nd edition was the S5 (from memory) of the 2nd edition power sword, meaning they wounded SM on 3's rather than 5's. I'm not sure if the basic Banshee needs more A - they always struck me as a scalpel, not a sledgehammer - but that might also be an option.

Equally, the Scorpion Chainsword needs the standard +1A rule adding to it - the unit is meant to be a stealthy blender, as far as I can see. Not sure if it needs AP or not, but 3A each for Scorpions would be a start.

Iracundus wrote:
Jes Goodwin's concept sketches for the Exarch of each Aspect included a helmetless version so I wouldn't say that helmetless version is necessarily always Ynnari.

So 6 Howling Banshee Exarch powers to choose from, normally it seems at the expense of War Shout (unless using the Exemplar of the Banshee Shrine). I wonder if that is the new thing now going forward for eventually the other Aspects as well.

It seems like the Exarch powers allow the Exarch to focus on an aspect of their Aspect (pun intended). Piercing Strike and arming with an executioner seems to basically focus on Jain Zarr's Blade of Destruction. I imagine another power might focus on the mirrorswords and about sheer number of attacks rather than high strength attacks.

So what do people think of Piercing Strike? Exarch will then have 2 A at S7 -3 D3. But the rest of the squad may still underperform.

Yeah I've always wanted helmet less aspects after seeing the those sketches right form the beginning. I love the exarch I'll build her like that wether I use craft worlds or Ynnari, not bothered either way. Interested to see what the other options are that they talked about.
I think looking around social media its being examined to death because we have been waiting so long for plastic aspects and we have three images and two models to look at- they aways look better in person and with your own painting scheme.

Its all sounding interesting so far- exarch powers making a return is great. I still really hope there are a couple more aspects to see with this release. Banshees are definitely first and soon as they are off the online store [uk].

The strike feels like something for Ynnari since while you lose 1A, Ynnari Exarch would hit on 2+.

Then again we don't know yet if Exarch has only 3A like now, and is not some mini character, which you also would have to buy separately for 35$.

Quick question regarding psychic awakening in general: I've heard (non reliable source) that every faction involved in the psychic awakening will get at least some new models.
Do we actually have confimation from GW on this, or can we just speculate? I mean I guess it is fair to assume that every faction who is involved will at least get some new rules, but I really hope there will be new models for everyone also. (first in line should obviously eldar, because they deserve it the most)