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 ValentineGames wrote:
I think most people who don't paint from GW game perspectives just don't because why bother?
The tables are usually bland, boring, uninteresting and dull.
The games are decided by the lists long before a single die is rolled.
90% of the game is bickering over rules inbetween excessive rolling.
You remove entire units in short time.
Allot of people don't really care for background or theme only meta.
It's gonna be on ebay soon.

So what's the incentive to having anything painted?
And that might sound harsh and I'll have people whinging and my comment deleted and ANOTHER temp ban.
But it's all true really.

I don't think that's a true reality for anyone except for those who honestly don't want to play a miniatures wargame, let alone a miniatures wargame by GW.
I mean seriously take a step back and read your own post - there's basically zero points of interest in the whole experience from painting to playing to collecting. The only part of the hobby you've not dismissed is the actual building of the models. Although you've half dismissed it by stating that the person will ebay their army fast, which suggests little to no connection to the models.


Honestly if anyone said to me that was their experience I'd tell them to stop buying models and go try another hobby. Because clearly if they are deriving no fun from any part of a hobby why continue to spend and be part of it?

Oh I get loads of fun from the hobby.
But the hobby isn't GW only thankfully so you can avoid that particular group very easily.

I have at least two free Indie rulesets that can be played with my GW models, so the typical GW game "chase the current meta" mentality should not be a stumbling block to modelling and painting if you like the models. I love the GW hobby as far as modelling and painting is concerned, but not necessarily the gaming.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I have at least two free Indie rulesets that can be played with my GW models, so the typical GW game "chase the current meta" mentality should not be a stumbling block to modelling and painting if you like the models. I love the GW hobby as far as modelling and painting is concerned, but not necessarily the gaming.

Quoted for truth.....

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I have at least two free Indie rulesets that can be played with my GW models, so the typical GW game "chase the current meta" mentality should not be a stumbling block to modelling and painting if you like the models. I love the GW hobby as far as modelling and painting is concerned, but not necessarily the gaming.

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

 Illumini wrote:

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

Definitely 100% check out One Page Rules, which just had a good review/overview over at Wargamer.com.

You can also check out our own Easy E's Rampant Stars a sci-fi version based on Osprey's popular "Rampant" series of rules.

One Page Rules is a godsend. Especially if you are teaching non Wargamers how to play. My wife played the Fantasy version with me and had a good time, and that was NOT a forgone conclusion!

Thanks for the suggestion, it looks really good. To bring it back to the point of the thread - I haven´t painted any 40k minis in a year because I could never see myself getting into 40k again. But those rules keep the 40k factions and feel and lots of fun details in army building, while at the same time looking very playable.

I will try out a few games and that might get me painting 40k minis again.

 Illumini wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I have at least two free Indie rulesets that can be played with my GW models, so the typical GW game "chase the current meta" mentality should not be a stumbling block to modelling and painting if you like the models. I love the GW hobby as far as modelling and painting is concerned, but not necessarily the gaming.

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

One Page rules has both army- and skirmish-scale versions of their two main games that can use nearly every current 40k and AoS figure. Also Star Breach is great for 40k figures, which I am also getting into.

Never let the dislike of a particular ruleset or a toxic environment that might follow (any) particular game discourage you from painting or modelling, especially with so many games out there that are miniatures company agnostic.

The two games listed above can easily be played with GW, Mantic, Infinity, or even FFG Star Wars figures, and with small forces that are perfect for beginners to learn to pain without being overwhelmed with the large forces that would require a learning painter to slog through to get fully painted. Lots of different forces let a painter try out lots of different painting styles and methods, which can be increasingly combined.

I very nearly got turned off wargaming 25+ years ago when I kept trying to wrap my mind around painting dozens of minis just for one force of 40k. But then Necromunda caught me and I found my stride.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Illumini wrote:

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

Definitely 100% check out One Page Rules, which just had a good review/overview over at Wargamer.com.

You can also check out our own Easy E's Rampant Stars a sci-fi version based on Osprey's popular "Rampant" series of rules.

I know my preference! Thanks for the shout out!

There is also StarBreach, Rogue Stars, or Fistful of Lead.

 Easy E wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

 Illumini wrote:

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

Definitely 100% check out One Page Rules, which just had a good review/overview over at Wargamer.com.

You can also check out our own Easy E's Rampant Stars a sci-fi version based on Osprey's popular "Rampant" series of rules.

I know my preference! Thanks for the shout out!

There is also StarBreach, Rogue Stars, or Fistful of Lead.

Check out Rogue Planet, too.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

 Illumini wrote:

I´m in the market for a sci-fi game playable with 40k minis to replace 40k, got any suggestions?

Definitely 100% check out One Page Rules, which just had a good review/overview over at Wargamer.com.

You can also check out our own Easy E's Rampant Stars a sci-fi version based on Osprey's popular "Rampant" series of rules.

I know my preference! Thanks for the shout out!

There is also StarBreach, Rogue Stars, or Fistful of Lead.

Check out Rogue Planet, too.

Has anyone actually played this game? I own the rules and thought it looked interesting but never seen anyone talk about it ever and haven't played it myself.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I have at least two free Indie rulesets that can be played with my GW models, so the typical GW game "chase the current meta" mentality should not be a stumbling block to modelling and painting if you like the models. I love the GW hobby as far as modelling and painting is concerned, but not necessarily the gaming.

^^^^^

GW makes great models. Thats about the extent of where their greatness lies. Hobbying GW models is a lot of fun. I use the models in other games that are stronger than the GW games though.