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 infinite_array wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Fair, but i think it's worth considering. It could be proof that Apollo does in fact ride a sun chariot. Religions of the world are full of flying entities, it makes more sense than aliens when you think about it.


Not really? Humans have been able to send probes and machines to other planets with technology that would confound humans of earlier eras. It's not much of a leap to posit that civilizations that could cross interstellar spaces might have technology that would stump us.

The leap to transdimensional or "spiritual" beings is so much wider as seem illogical. Not to mention that, as Matt Swain said, they also tend to come from more unsavory (and that's putting it lightly) sources.


You have a good point. But is it the simplest explanation?

Sure, technological advancements always look like magic until they're understood and there's a cost / benefit rubric for sending drones that might be universal.

At the same time, space is a big place and we skew heavily towards carbon-based entities in how we define life.

Considering all of the carbon-based lifeforms we know of are highly dependent on scarce resources / environmental constants to avoid extinction, what makes us assume interstellar travel would prove a successful strategy for any advanced civilization based on this phenotype?

Greater than 90% of innovations in automobile technology since 1960 has developed around driver error. Humans are incredibly inefficient operators, it's kind of arrogant to assume an 'advanced' civilization would optimize around our current state of being. If anything, they would be looking to innovate beyond biological limitations because we do exactly that as a species.

So I don't agree that 'transdimensional' or 'spiritual' beings are illogical, there's a case to be made human-like entities and drones are less suited to the task. Any sufficiently advanced biology may indeed be indistinguishable from a 'spiritual' entity.

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I feel like the fact that one of the Navy pilots confirmed that the object evidenced telltale signs of electronic attack and jamming capabilities would indicate that its definitely not plasma phenomena or something truly bizarre. I think it pretty much narrows down the scope of what these things are to just "aliens" and "humans", and I personally would put a lot more weight on it being "humans". I mean, I guess its not out of the question that "angels" or "demons" or "interdimensional beings" might use/need to use something so "profane" as a technology that interacts with our own in a somewhat mundane manner, but at that point I think the distinction between alien and whatever else becomes essentially meaningless to me and its easier to just say they are aliens but weird. Advanced technology confused for magic and all that.

To me, it seems unlikely that a seemingly hyperadvanced interestellar alien race would still be using radio frequency technologies (especially not within the same wavelength/spectrum/frequency range that we are currently using) and thus wouldn't have compatible electronic attack capabilities built into their craft - then again, if they've been watching us for long enough they may be utilizing that capability solely as a defensive measure for their observations or whatever. IF aliens were using RF tech I would assume that their EA/EW capabilities would drastically outclass our own and they would have been much more effective at it than they actually seem to have been based on whats been disclosed - the fact that we were able to get radar locks on these things that were definitely utilizing EW capabilities to attempt to jam our sensors is basically self-evident proof that the claims of these things being 100 or 1000 years, etc. beyond our own tech is more or less pure hyperbole.

While the flight characteristics *might* (and I say might because there is a lot of uncertainty and inconsistency surrounding the narrative with regards to their actual capabilities) be indicative of a significantly more advanced technological ability than the US can presently field, there is a self-evident incongruence in the supposed level of technological advancement shown between the supposed flight capabilities and the evidenced electronic attack capabilities. This incongruence would indicate an extreme disparity in general technological capability, which in turn indicates an extreme non-uniformity/inconsistency in technological development. This seems more in line with the idea that a power like Russia or China had one specific technological breakthrough in the aerospace technology field (assuming that the flight capabilities of these things aren't being grossly exaggerated, which I think they are), as opposed to the general technological superiority expected of an advanced spacefaring species that is seemingly capable of more or less breaking the laws of physics (if the most extreme claims being made are believed).

 Just Tony wrote:
Cronch wrote:Out of curiosity, why is everyone focusing on the ufos being aliens, when in ages past it was widely accepted these strange flying things were spiritual beings? Nothing about aliens is inherently more possible than creatures existing on another plane of reality.

Because any time they do, fringe raving left wingers come out to bash the intelligence of the person because that theory gives credence to things they desperately need to prove wrong...


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 Ghool wrote:
It could be that these things are also not well understood plasma phenomena.
There’s a ton we don’t fully understand about the electromagnetic spectrum, and plasmas are a huge part of that.


That would be because plasma isn't part of the EM spectrum. Plasma is the 4th state of matter (the others being gas, liquid and solid). The EM spectrum is electromagnetic waves, which is light.

And you're gonna have to elaborate on what we don't understand about the EM spectrum.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
I feel like the fact that one of the Navy pilots confirmed that the object evidenced telltale signs of electronic attack and jamming capabilities would indicate that its definitely not plasma phenomena or something truly bizarre. I think it pretty much narrows down the scope of what these things are to just "aliens" and "humans", and I personally would put a lot more weight on it being "humans".


The issue with this is that the common sign of ewar they cited was that it was that the return was rotating. Which, given what we see in some of the FLIR videos, they actually do rotate. So, that might not be ewar.


chaos0xomega wrote:

To me, it seems unlikely that a seemingly hyperadvanced interestellar alien race would still be using radio frequency technologies (especially not within the same wavelength/spectrum/frequency range that we are currently using) and thus wouldn't have compatible electronic attack capabilities built into their craft - then again, if they've been watching us for long enough they may be utilizing that capability solely as a defensive measure for their observations or whatever. IF aliens were using RF tech I would assume that their EA/EW capabilities would drastically outclass our own and they would have been much more effective at it than they actually seem to have been based on whats been disclosed - the fact that we were able to get radar locks on these things that were definitely utilizing EW capabilities to attempt to jam our sensors is basically self-evident proof that the claims of these things being 100 or 1000 years, etc. beyond our own tech is more or less pure hyperbole.


Not necessarily. You're making an assumption that an alien culture's technology evolved in a similar way to our own. Given how technology evolved on earth, and how that technology is related to our biology, this may not apply. You're also making an assumption that this is an active effect rather than a passive side effect of another technology.







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That seems a lot less plausible to me than human perception (and memory, for that matter) being fallible. That's really what it comes down to for me; I do not disregard the possibility of a given UFO being aliens or that the theoretical explanations for such could be valid, they just seem like the less likely conclusion. Many of these theories are also defined by a non-scientific approach of trying to prove that it IS aliens, which doesn't help.

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Wasn't it mentioned earlier in the thread that every time this pilot got interviewed facts were added, changed, or removed?

To me, that's text book human fallibility.
You see something out of the corner of your eye, or perhaps it's been a long day over empty blue skies and you're starting to hallucinate. Your brain can't really get a precise lock on the 'thing' so, as it does, it just kinda makes up the rest of the details.
You're sure of what you've seen, so you describe it to other people. But you realise it sounds a little silly, so you embolden the story with a few details. Your fallible human memory is happy to retroactively remember these details as "real", and the story is starting to take on a life of its own.
   
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Yeah, theres lots of stretches required for it to be aliens, whereas the explanation being human is fairly compliant with occams razor.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I feel like the fact that one of the Navy pilots confirmed that the object evidenced telltale signs of electronic attack and jamming capabilities would indicate that its definitely not plasma phenomena or something truly bizarre. I think it pretty much narrows down the scope of what these things are to just "aliens" and "humans", and I personally would put a lot more weight on it being "humans".


The issue with this is that the common sign of ewar they cited was that it was that the return was rotating. Which, given what we see in some of the FLIR videos, they actually do rotate. So, that might not be ewar.




The tictac is called the tictac because its tictac shaped. I.E. it has a definitive long axis and a definitive short axis. Given he was watching the object on FLIR, which he reported as stationary, while also observing aspect rotation, it seems pretty safe to say that it wasn't because it actually rotated. Beyond that, you're ignoring the rest of the sentence "The target aspect on the track file was turning through 360 degrees along with some other distinct jamming indications." If the aspect rotation was the only thing going on I would agree with you, but there comes a point where theres too much going on for it to be incidental (and in this case the reason those indications aren't be divulged is most likely because they are classified).


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 kirotheavenger wrote:
Wasn't it mentioned earlier in the thread that every time this pilot got interviewed facts were added, changed, or removed?

To me, that's text book human fallibility.
You see something out of the corner of your eye, or perhaps it's been a long day over empty blue skies and you're starting to hallucinate. Your brain can't really get a precise lock on the 'thing' so, as it does, it just kinda makes up the rest of the details.
You're sure of what you've seen, so you describe it to other people. But you realise it sounds a little silly, so you embolden the story with a few details. Your fallible human memory is happy to retroactively remember these details as "real", and the story is starting to take on a life of its own.


Yes, I've pointed out several times there are inconsistencies in a variety of the facts being reported in different sources and each time the story is told it gets progressively more fantastical.

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chaos0xomega wrote:

Yes, I've pointed out several times there are inconsistencies in a variety of the facts being reported in different sources and each time the story is told it gets progressively more fantastical.


Which is why on goes back to original reports that were written shortly after the event, as well as original recording of readings and gun camera footage.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
there comes a point where theres too much going on for it to be incidental (and in this case the reason those indications aren't be divulged is most likely because they are classified).


A fair point, but men in positions to know that classified data felt that it was unusual enough to warrant investigation. NASA has, I guess, also weighed in, though I haven't read their response yet.

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Interesting stuff.

I wonder, do people think extra terrestrial/ intergalactic civilisations and beings are less plausible then extra dimensional ones?

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 Argive wrote:
Interesting stuff.

I wonder, do people think extra terrestrial/ intergalactic civilisations and beings are less plausible then extra dimensional ones?


We can prove other planet's exist. Other dimensions are only theorized. So, I'll say 'marginally so, yes.'


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
It could be that these things are also not well understood plasma phenomena.
There’s a ton we don’t fully understand about the electromagnetic spectrum, and plasmas are a huge part of that.


That would be because plasma isn't part of the EM spectrum. Plasma is the 4th state of matter (the others being gas, liquid and solid). The EM spectrum is electromagnetic waves, which is light.

And you're gonna have to elaborate on what we don't understand about the EM spectrum.


The entire sun is made of plasma and is an electromagnetic phenomenon.
Stating that electromagnetism is solely propagated by photons only is flat out wrong.
Plasmas are created, contained and directed by magnetic fields and are created in extreme electromagnetic events, just the same as lightning. Which is comprised of much more than just photons.
Our current electric grid functions by pushing electrons through wires. Not photons.
EM covers a lot more than just light.

We have begun to predict earthquakes from electromagnetic precursors from the sun. The coronal holes and the solar wind, which consist mostly of charged particles and have a profound affect on earth crust slippage due to these charged particles reaching down into the crust close to the low velocity zone close to the mantle, which then decouples the friction that’s holding it steady, creates a slip and we have an earthquake.
This is all proven with NASA beginning to use EM precursors to detect and predict earthquakes.

There are plenty of papers detailing our misunderstanding of the electromagnetic force. I suggest reading some of them for a better understanding than from some armchair scientist on Dakka.


I think you’re making a mistake in believing that the EM spectrum contains only photons and light.

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 Ghool wrote:

The entire sun is made of plasma and is an electromagnetic phenomenon.


No. A star is a gravitational phenomena that just happens to emit electromagnetic energy as a byproduct of nuclear fusion caused by its tremendous mass and gravitational pull.

 Ghool wrote:

Stating that electromagnetism is solely propagated by photons only is flat out wrong.


Which is why he didn't.

 Ghool wrote:

Plasmas are created, contained and directed by magnetic fields and are created in extreme electromagnetic events, just the same as lightning.


Only in the laboratory. In nature they can also be created by tremendous heat and pressure. While a tokamak can use em fields to create circumstances that allow plasma to be generated, it's not the only way it comes about.

 Ghool wrote:

We have begun to predict earthquakes from electromagnetic precursors from the sun.


No, we haven't. Vito Marchitelli et al's paper is pretty controversial, since it's not the first time someone has had this idea, and thus far, they either failed to prove, or actually refuted, the connection. While there is, to my knowledge, 1 satellite launched by the Chinese and Italians studying if there is a connection, their results have yet to be released. Marchitelli appears to be making the classic correlation = causation mistake.

Here, for a study with 100 years data.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/grl.50211

 Ghool wrote:

I suggest reading some of them for a better understanding than from some armchair scientist on Dakka.


One might make a statement about pots and kettles and coloration thereof.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ghool wrote:

Plasmas are created, contained and directed by magnetic fields and are created in extreme electromagnetic events, just the same as lightning.


Only in the laboratory. In nature they can also be created by tremendous heat and pressure. While a tokamak can use em fields to create circumstances that allow plasma to be generated, it's not the only way it comes about.


Also, the glowing neon in a neon light? That is a plasma. It is contained by glass.

Plasma TVs? they use a plasma and are contained by glass.

Plasma does not require extreme electromagnetic events. Some plasmas are created by them but it is not always required. Plasma is just ionised gas.


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 Ghool wrote:

I think you’re making a mistake in believing that the EM spectrum contains only photons and light.


The EM spectrum explicitly refers to Electromagnetic waves, which is light. The spectrum in EM spectrum refers to the wavelengths/frequencies of the light and the corresponding classification of the light.

Radio (longest wavelength), Microwave, Infrared, Visible, Ultraviolet, X-Rays (overlaps with gamma but is produced by electron excitation), Gamma Rays (shortest wavelength and produced in the nucleus as a result of radioactive decay). That is the EM spectrum.

You are arguing with an astrophysicist on this one. I'd just take the loss.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ghool wrote:

I think you’re making a mistake in believing that the EM spectrum contains only photons and light.


The EM spectrum explicitly refers to Electromagnetic waves, which is light. The spectrum in EM spectrum refers to the wavelengths/frequencies of the light and the corresponding classification of the light.

Radio (longest wavelength), Microwave, Infrared, Visible, Ultraviolet, X-Rays (overlaps with gamma but is produced by electron excitation), Gamma Rays (shortest wavelength and produced in the nucleus as a result of radioactive decay). That is the EM spectrum.

You are arguing with an astrophysicist on this one. I'd just take the loss.

I would include THz on that list.

Partially for the sake of completeness. Also, those TicTocs get pretty close to ships and warfighters, suggests long wavelengths on whatever scanners they use.


   
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

You are arguing with an astrophysicist on this one. I'd just take the loss.


I hope you're talking about you, since one or two people have told me they suspected me of this one as well, and I'm not.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:

You are arguing with an astrophysicist on this one. I'd just take the loss.


I hope you're talking about you, since one or two people have told me they suspected me of this one as well, and I'm not.


Yep, talking about me.

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I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."

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 Matt Swain wrote:
I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."


Its quite an assumption that a space faring race has "gotten its gak together" just by virtue of being a space faring race. More likely, they're just as fractured and messed up as us. And if they're not, well, they are in big trouble because it means we are gonna kick their butts all the way to Alpha Centauri after we've stripped their technology off whatever ship they come here in.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."


Not terribly likely since all those are powerful motivators for the development of technology. You'd be surprised how much 'World War 2' is still in many of the technologies we use every day, not just in space exploration.


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He does raise a point in that while the belief is irrational a lot of people do buy into the idea that humans are an inherently violent or barbaric species; it is a very popular trope in fiction despite the inherent irony.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."


This smells an awful lot like a rejigged version of your "humans need to stop being animals" schtick from a few pages back.

Also, I don't think people are reluctant to agree to the possibility of ETI, notable numbers of highly qualified professionals in fact have stated the opposite if only by dint of sheer numbers and the probability inherent in those numbers.

The point of conjecture is whether those intelligences are space faring, or if the possibility not interstellar travel is even technically possible. Which brings us neatly back to the broad topic at hand.

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The point of conjecture isn't even that possibility, it is whether X or Y incident is caused by such entities. Which is where the dichotomy of qualified experts who very much believe in the possibility of other intelligent life also being very skeptical of such beings causing a given UFO sighting.

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I suspect, assuming we are still here as a technological civilization in a 100 years, someone will be asking "well what else but aliens can they be" when some space trucker reports a blip on their radar. I'd say the need for Something to exist just beyond the hills is a human psychological need and they will fit anything and everything into it.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."


Not terribly likely since all those are powerful motivators for the development of technology. You'd be surprised how much 'World War 2' is still in many of the technologies we use every day, not just in space exploration.


no, not really.

I'm fairly aware of a lot of WW2 innovations that we still use today. The microwave oven was an outgrowth of radar research. Teflon was invented during the Manhattan project. Modern computers trace their roots to the bronze goddesses of Bletchley park, research on the transistor to replace huge, slow, fragile, power hungry vacuum tubes began ij ww2m, etc.


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 Matt Swain wrote:
I think some reluctance to agree to the possibility of ETI is that a lot of humans just can't acknowledge the possibility of a better species existing in 'their' universe.

I mean, what if we did make contact, or were contacted by, an intelligent starfaring species that had gotten its gak together, stopped having wars, achieved a peaceful advanced culture, eliminated scarcity, etc.

Now on earth people can just shrug and say "Ehh, war, murder, yeah, bad gak happens, it's just human nature, we can't change it."

Then the little grey gits with big heads and eyes show up and say "Uh, actually, if you really wanted too..."


This smells an awful lot like a rejigged version of your "humans need to stop being animals" schtick from a few pages back.

Also, I don't think people are reluctant to agree to the possibility of ETI, notable numbers of highly qualified professionals in fact have stated the opposite if only by dint of sheer numbers and the probability inherent in those numbers.

The point of conjecture is whether those intelligences are space faring, or if the possibility not interstellar travel is even technically possible. Which brings us neatly back to the broad topic at hand.


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Matt I say this out of a genuine interest in helping you--that last comment really comes across as immature. A simple 'agree to disagree' would come across as much more reasonable.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Lol, ok kid, calm down.

Regurgitating debates with a new hat doesn't help anyone. Stop being so touchy and you might learn something.


I did just learn something: I no longer want to see your condescending posts anymore!

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If anyone has "tells someone they're being ignored rather than clicking ignore and moving on" on their Dakka bingo cards, be sure and tick that off!

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The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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 Azreal13 wrote:
If anyone has "tells someone they're being ignored rather than clicking ignore and moving on" on their Dakka bingo cards, be sure and tick that off!


You do realize that 'ignore' really is a half measure, right? I've had Ninthmusketter on ignore for years, and I can still see his posts.


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