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2022/10/12 15:55:16
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
OK, I tried painting up a converted toy, silver Molotow spray all over first and then wash one half with Nuln Oil and the other with the black from Two Thin Coats.
After two coats I couldn't tell any significant difference between the two sides, though I'd say that with the 1st coat it looked like the Two Thin Coats brand was very slightly thinner?
Which, ya know. On brand at least. You might need slightly more of it.
Greatly appreciated your review, and your attempt to be as non-biased as well. Really great comparison, and I can tell you now, if my local store starts carrying these paints I will likely switch over for a majority of the main colors I use.
The metallics triads, mainly the golds, look amazing. And man... those washes, look like great.
Thank you again for the review, really appreciate the effort you put in for the comparison.
2022/11/22 01:25:20
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Ninjon has a review of Duncan's Two Thin Coats paints as well:
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2022/11/23 21:34:45
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Ninjon's review was pretty good overall, but a bit of a spanker move taking a gutless unnamed shot at Stahly for giving us swatches. Like swatches aren't useful.
JWBS wrote: Okay so I'm getting the impression that they're alright, but not the finished article with several flaws, which begs the question of why I'd buy them over any of the many ranges that are available and also fully satisfactory. This question gets an exclamation mark added when I consider that these seem to be about the most expensive paints on the market, with a 50% markup (despite being kickstarter) over the other notable competitors. iirc these were the questions that were asked when this thread was first active and I don't think they've been answered in a positive way if at all.
I guess the reason is if you sub to Duncans channel and want to follow his tutorials with the exact colours. Last video I watched he was still using other paints, I'll probably unsubscribe when he moves over.
2022/11/24 00:22:00
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
JWBS wrote: Okay so I'm getting the impression that they're alright, but not the finished article with several flaws, which begs the question of why I'd buy them over any of the many ranges that are available and also fully satisfactory. This question gets an exclamation mark added when I consider that these seem to be about the most expensive paints on the market, with a 50% markup (despite being kickstarter) over the other notable competitors. iirc these were the questions that were asked when this thread was first active and I don't think they've been answered in a positive way if at all.
I guess the reason is if you sub to Duncans channel and want to follow his tutorials with the exact colours. Last video I watched he was still using other paints, I'll probably unsubscribe when he moves over.
Why? Check the Ninjon video starting at the 2:30 mark where it's shown there's a conversion chart for Two Thin Coats to Citadel and Army Painter paints (and it's not like you've been able to do a match of his tutorials with the exact colors as he's been using some Two Thin Coats paints for a while now).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2022/11/24 08:34:30
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Price is key here. A new range needs to be attractive as impulse buy since we already have full collections of paints. Not saying it should be cheap just saying it should not be the most expensive on the market.
Still looking at the colours available and still find the pallets choice very limited or similar to other cheaper ranges so yeah nothing new there to get me out of my way.
Commitz wrote: I see they're in stock in a couple of places and currently more expensive than GW per unit volume which is quite a bold move...
I did ask this on the KS comments section, and got a lengthy reply.
Gimgamgoo on KS wrote:
All received a few weeks ago in the UK. Well packaged.
My question is the retail price for them? Wayland in the UK have them listed as rrp £3.95. Is that correct? That's a whole lot pricier than GW's already overpriced £2.75. Granted there's a couple of ml more, but that's a huge price tag. Is this a confirmed rrp?
Trans Atlantis Games on KS wrote:
Regarding our prices as compared to competitors, the short answer is that we hadn't set out to be a bargain paint.
The goal was to have Duncan formulate the best range of premium paints he could, that would include a range colors that he felt would be best suited for everyone from beginners to more experienced painters. We feel that the Two Thin Coats paints accomplished this goal, due to the quality of the ingredients used, and how they are formulated (ie-heavier doses of certain components), so that they will be considered one of, if not the best range available, top to bottom, on the market. Especially when the range expands. As mentioned on quite a few comments, our paints have a lot of body (thicker), and can be used as-is straight from the bottle, or can be thinned down to your desired consistency. When you're painting your models and the consistency of your paint is not where you want it, with Two Thin Coats you'll be able to start with a nice thick paint and thin it down to get your desired result. Other paints that start out thinner, which you would prefer to be thicker, then what...
The coverage of Two Thin Coats is fantastic, applies easily, and we believe you will not find a smoother finish. While we don't believe any paint range is a one-size-fits-all, we do believe Two Thin Coats will find its home in the upper echelon of miniatures paints.
As far as our pricing is concerned, yes, we have recommended a retail price of £3.95. It is a guideline that we recommend, but traders can price things as they wish. After discount and VAT we realize slightly less than half of the RRP.
Comparing our RRP to Citadel paints RRP is a tall order. While Citadel paints are a high quality paint range also, as he market leader, they get their price "advantage" in many ways. Their purchasing power due to their volume is out of our league. They produce in a month more than we've produced this past year. They sell much of their paint at the full RRP in their stores and on their online store. We also offer a higher trade discount than they do, meaning that on average we'll receive a lot less of the revenue generated on a bottle of paint than they do. Besides the actual paint itself, which we are very confident to put up against theirs, our other components are more plentiful and cost more. Our dropper bottle has four components, besides the paint. Citadel has a bottle and a cap. We have a bottle, a nozzle a cap and an agitator. These extra components create more production assembly time as well. As far as the overall price of the paints are concerned, it's not much different. We have cost-averaged our range, meaning every bottle of our 15ml paint, regardless of what it is; shadow, wash, metallic, etc. all have the same RRP of £3.95. You mention that Citadel's RRP of their 12ml bottles is £2.75. This means our paints have an average price of .263 per ml, and Citadel has an average price of .229 per ml. Even with their massive volume advantage and the extra costs associated with Two Thin Coats, the price difference is less than 4 pence per ml. And that's only at first glance. As they do not cost-average. Some of their metallic paints have a price per ml of .308, while their shades and some other paints can cost .263 per ml, the same as Two Thin Coats. I haven't priced out their entire range, as it's hundreds of different paints and styles, but overall I'd guess we are very close on the average price per ml across the board. To be clear, I am not trying to compare our paint range to Citadel's, but only trying to explain the price differences as I see them. What every individual prefers is personal to their own style of painting, how they want their paints to work, the colors offered, etc. We also have no plans for a price increase.
Overall, Two Thin Coats has to stand on its own, regardless of our competitors. It'd be easy to create the cheapest paints on the market. What wasn't easy was creating a premium high-quality range, while maintaining a reasonable price. We feel we've done that, and as more reviews pop up on YouTube and other social media platforms, it seems they agree.
Lastly, by supporting this initial Kickstarter campaign and any we may do in the future, the Two Thin Coats paints are a great deal as compared to Citadel paints; a lower price per bottle AND more paint per bottle, not to mention any stretch goals included!
I'm glad that you liked how they arrived to you, and sorry for this long-winded response. I wanted to make my response informative, without going overboard. I'm not sure if I accomplished that goal. Thanks for your feedback and support!-Bob
My Painting Blog: http://gimgamgoo.com/ Currently most played: Silent Death, Xenos Rampant, Mars Code Aurora and Battletech.
I tried dabbling with 40k9/10 again and tried AoS3 - Nice models, naff games, but I'm enjoying HH2 and loving Battletech Classic and Alpha Strike.
2022/11/25 13:39:44
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Intersting. Paints are one of the more provincial aspects of the hobby, with some of the smaller brands a lot easier to order in the home contry. For example, I've seen Reaper paints stocked in stores (not so much lately, but in the past) while from what I've heard even ordering them in the EU is tough. Likewise, Coat d'arms seems to have stockists in the UK, while I've never heard of anybody stateside using them.
The sort of obvious comparison here (strong, rich, matte colors, small-ish range, dropper bottles) is Pro-acryl, which I've using and LOVING lately. OTOH, since I live ithe US, I can just get pro-acryl easily, and I know I like it.
If I could pick up a few colors at my local, and try them, I would, but I"m not gonna pay for shipping on the off chance Duncan has finally cracked the code on an Ultra marines blue I love.
2022/11/25 15:23:08
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
I wouldn't mine paying the premium for the metallics at least as they seem to be top notch in most reviews, and they're usually a pain to get right. Aside from that I already have what I need in Vallejo or any other set of paints, and if I was really going in to more specialised paints I'd probably go for Kimera for the mixing ability.
2022/11/25 15:33:28
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Polonius wrote: Intersting. Paints are one of the more provincial aspects of the hobby, with some of the smaller brands a lot easier to order in the home contry. For example, I've seen Reaper paints stocked in stores (not so much lately, but in the past) while from what I've heard even ordering them in the EU is tough. Likewise, Coat d'arms seems to have stockists in the UK, while I've never heard of anybody stateside using them.
The sort of obvious comparison here (strong, rich, matte colors, small-ish range, dropper bottles) is Pro-acryl, which I've using and LOVING lately. OTOH, since I live ithe US, I can just get pro-acryl easily, and I know I like it.
If I could pick up a few colors at my local, and try them, I would, but I"m not gonna pay for shipping on the off chance Duncan has finally cracked the code on an Ultra marines blue I love.
I've started using Reaper, and am always tracking down Coat D'Arms here in the States when my old ones, or my old Citadel hex pots start to run out. Its certainly not easy.
Paints are an area where I'm starting to get price inelastic, and when they say stuff is 3.75gbp, that's great for the UK, but you never know what that will translate into here in the States (sometimes VAT isn't removed, sometimes they're priced on an arbitrary and higher exchange rate, shipping, etc.) which makes getting them "cheaper" or around the same price as GW, Army Painter, Reaper, P3, Scale Color, CDA, Polly S, Vallejo, and so on (all paints I have in my drawer) tricky.
Having watched a lot of Duncan's videos, they certainly look like they work like paints. But I'm also not going for high end paint jobs at this point. After 30 years playing historicals/GW/Battletech, I'm all about quick and easy tabletop (i.e. Contrast is my go to). More choice is great, but like most things wargaming, if I lived in the UK, it might be easier and cheaper
"There is rational thought here. It's just swimming through a sea of stupid and is often concealed from view by the waves of irrational conclusions." - Railguns
2022/11/25 15:37:36
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Polonius wrote: Likewise, Coat d'arms seems to have stockists in the UK, while I've never heard of anybody stateside using them.
By 'using them' I'm assuming you means 'selling them', then Coat d'Arms paints are available from Scale Creep Miniatures in Evanston IL.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2022/11/25 15:53:33
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
Polonius wrote: Likewise, Coat d'arms seems to have stockists in the UK, while I've never heard of anybody stateside using them.
By 'using them' I'm assuming you means 'selling them', then Coat d'Arms paints are available from Scale Creep Miniatures in Evanston IL.
Oh cool. I'm not surprised that somebody sells it, it's just not something I've ever run into.
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Cruentus wrote: Paints are an area where I'm starting to get price inelastic, and when they say stuff is 3.75gbp, that's great for the UK, but you never know what that will translate into here in the States (sometimes VAT isn't removed, sometimes they're priced on an arbitrary and higher exchange rate, shipping, etc.) which makes getting them "cheaper" or around the same price as GW, Army Painter, Reaper, P3, Scale Color, CDA, Polly S, Vallejo, and so on (all paints I have in my drawer) tricky.
If I'm going to spend a few hours painting a hundred dollar kit, I'm not afraid of spending twenty more bucks on paints that do what I need, and will almost certainly outlast this project. I agree, that price isn't as big of a barrier. Some of my favorite paints are among the cheapest (warcolors) while others are among the most expense (GW).
Having watched a lot of Duncan's videos, they certainly look like they work like paints. But I'm also not going for high end paint jobs at this point. After 30 years playing historicals/GW/Battletech, I'm all about quick and easy tabletop (i.e. Contrast is my go to). More choice is great, but like most things wargaming, if I lived in the UK, it might be easier and cheaper
Some high end paints are meant for high end painters: things like scale 75, inks, glazes, etc. are all designed for more complex techniques. However... there are some pricier paints out there that are excellent for base/wash/dry brush painters as well. And obviously contrasts aren't exactly cheap.
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2023/01/18 12:41:28
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
I'm really enjoying my Two Thin Coats paints. I recently tested & reviewed quite a few paint ranges, including the new formula Vallejo Game Color (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRv80Ceaj8). While these are also pretty nice (at least the new Game Color acrylics), for my own painting, I tend to go to Duncan's paints most of the times. The quality of these paints is just very high with no duds at all. A lot of colours are quite similar to the Citadel range, which is a plus for me, as I really love most of the colour choices in the Citadel range (but am not too fond about the paint pots and often average opacity). It makes transitioning from Citadel to Two Thin Coats really easy, and now with 60 more paints, I guess I can retire even more Citadel paints.
2023/01/24 19:00:32
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (first independent reviews - pg. 8)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/01/24 20:07:56
Subject: Re:Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
I'm going to withdraw my scepticism on these. Having seen them in action they look decent, and with an expanded range they're a lot more interesting. Still not enthused by the price but I'm going to try some of them.
2023/01/31 10:58:47
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (Wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
Have to say, I've heard nothing but glowing reviews for these. I ended up pleding for one of the lower tiers in the previous KS out of curiosity after talking to Duncan about them at an event and I have to say the metallics remain the absolute best metallics I have ever used. At the end of the day, it's just paint and it's nothing groundbreaking but it's the best paint I've used so far.
2023/02/09 23:43:56
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (Wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
Does anyone know the turn around time for product delivery on the kickstarter once it closes out?
I'm tempted to back it but I don't want to wait 9+ month to a year for product turnaround
2023/02/11 04:19:06
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (Wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
winnertakesall wrote: Have to say, I've heard nothing but glowing reviews for these. I ended up pleding for one of the lower tiers in the previous KS out of curiosity after talking to Duncan about them at an event and I have to say the metallics remain the absolute best metallics I have ever used. At the end of the day, it's just paint and it's nothing groundbreaking but it's the best paint I've used so far.
I’ve yet to see anything about these that suggests they do anything new or different. They seem high quality and well made… just inessential.
2023/02/11 22:33:45
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (Wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
Given that they're more expensive than every other brand, and I already have a good selection of Citadel/Vallejo/AK/Reaper/Pro Acryl/P3/CDA/etc, I don't have any good reason to pick them up.
They're kinda in Scale75 territory for me. - If I had a FLGS these days and that FLGS also had them on a rack, I'd undoubtedly pick up a couple and play with them, but I don't feel compelled to especially order them or a set.
For someone starting out or upgrading from Craft Paint or Army Painter Warpaints, they'd be great (as would AK, Vallejo, Reaper, Citadel, et al.
Also for metallics, give Vallejo Model Air and Vallejo Metal Colour a try!
I have a feeling we'll be using a whole load of Death Doom Black and Demon red in the future, might have to mix a little flame yellow with etheral green to get the green Dungling skin tone I desire but that's just a personal old skool choice.
Great line, great success story and a brilliant range of paints that I'm looking very much forward to using on a BattleBikez soon.
Much respect to the entire team.
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2023/02/14 22:51:46
Subject: Duncan Rhodes launching his own paint line? (Wave 2 official announcement - pg. 9)
Polonius wrote: I’ve yet to see anything about these that suggests they do anything new or different. They seem high quality and well made… just inessential.
I bought the first wave and will back the second.
Agree with the idea they are inessential. Would say the same about Vallejo, they're merely delightfully nice to have.
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