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Why are so many people suddenly convinced that the 2022 timeline rumours are gospel?

The accurate pathfinder vs sister rumours are from a different source than the eldar/squats/chaos rumours.
So the only things that are very likely to be true are the Black Templar stuff and the Custodes vs GSC box in December.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/p3ycko/summary_of_leaks_from_bolterandchainsaw_that_all/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Aww look at those pudgy little Tau

 Vovin wrote:
Why are so many people suddenly convinced that the 2022 timeline rumours are gospel?

The accurate pathfinder vs sister rumours are from a different source than the eldar/squats/chaos rumours.
So the only things that are very likely to be true are the Black Templar stuff and the Custodes vs GSC box in December.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/p3ycko/summary_of_leaks_from_bolterandchainsaw_that_all/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

With the confirmation of new factions for Kill Team coming in big boxes every quarter it leads for a long perceived life for the current edition. Considering with 40Ks much more intense codex schedule they have a hard time fitting it all in before a new edition and the new KT it's even slower. Even shaving off the couple of non KT friendly factions doesn't buy much extra time. Looks like the compendium will be all some factions get possibly.

Also I'm hoping the new rules come in the box with the models standalone as well as in the big boxsets. Having many hefty tomes the size of Octarius just to play too more factions goes against the flexibility of Kill Team modelling. I applaud the fact that they are focusing on teams that can truly be made from one box but if you need that box and a book it starts to mean that impulse 'ohh nice shiny thing' buying and hobbying is lost. Plus unlike Codexs which are named for each faction after a few I can see it being a chore to remember who is in what.

Nice to have DKK available separately. Though, having ordered a solo model off ebay to paint up, I'm a bit off put by the number of mold lines. The model was covered in them...

drbored wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
Why are so many people suddenly convinced that the 2022 timeline rumours are gospel?

The accurate pathfinder vs sister rumours are from a different source than the eldar/squats/chaos rumours.
So the only things that are very likely to be true are the Black Templar stuff and the Custodes vs GSC box in December.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/p3ycko/summary_of_leaks_from_bolterandchainsaw_that_all/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

That's also how you do a mole hunt leak a bunch of stuff and then add in "squats" or "mortal possessed" to your briefing of only one guy and then see who leaks.
I'm getting excited, but these are rumours.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Nice to have DKK available separately. Though, having ordered a solo model off ebay to paint up, I'm a bit off put by the number of mold lines. The model was covered in them...

That could just be due to the initial volume of them produced, rather than an issue inherent to the mould.

It could of course be an issue inherent to the mould as well.

The one thing that I think is very disappointing is that only one kill team in the new box is new. There’s an upgrade sprue and then a lot of sunk cost plastic. I know I wasn’t the only one thinking each new faction in each quarter would be new, but now we seem to only get one new kit every three month instead of two. I can’t wait until they re-release Rogue Trader and have zero new plastic in a big box release.

It’s almost like GW is afraid to actually make the game they want for fear of severely cannibalizing 40K sales. It’s irrational of them. But why pour so much into Warcry then phone in two version of Kill Team plastics.

Meh, in my opinion it's intentional and they're holding back 40K to increase the popularity of AoS and it's spinoffs.

drbored wrote:
Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

 Vovin wrote:

drbored wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

Feel free to come at it from a logic standpoint, but I think you're trying to throw 'logic' as a wrench in people's hype. Whether or not the rumors come true has little effect on what you do, right? So let people be hyped.

 Vovin wrote:

drbored wrote:
Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

Batch A and B were the same leak, from the same source (same user, which is also a mod there). I had commented on the thread and then commented again on the batch B one once it was split in two.
It got split in two for convenience and to not let a single thread derail on "squats!!!", since "batch A" had plenty of details on the Templars.

 Vovin wrote:

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

This is where things become difficult...
Both batches came from B&C, not 4chan.

The 4chan ones contained the nonsense about the Harlequin transports, etc--a literal "clown car" joke. There was a huuuuuuuuugely expanded list of Craftworld/Aeldari stuff--that's the 4chan trash that Faeit+BoLS also started amplifying.

Problem is that the individual who posted the stuff on B&C had their posts removed. So there are screenshots out there of some of it but also some people who just kinda/sorta kept reposting snippets of it and it crossed wires with the 4chan trash.

Was there specifics or confirmation about death korps being released on their own? I am curious/dreading the price they decide on.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
The one thing that I think is very disappointing is that only one kill team in the new box is new. There’s an upgrade sprue and then a lot of sunk cost plastic. I know I wasn’t the only one thinking each new faction in each quarter would be new, but now we seem to only get one new kit every three month instead of two.

They literally said in the early streams about Kill Team that the plan wouldn't just be "new kits". Upgrade sprues were mentioned--as the DKoK literally come with an upgrade sprue that has a good chunk of their specialist options on there.

I'm 100% convinced that the Cadian upgrade sprue we got recently was partly intended for KT as well.


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 ph34r wrote:
Was there specifics or confirmation about death korps being released on their own? I am curious/dreading the price they decide on.

There were not.

It might be a bit higher if they include the Veteran Guardsman KT rules and the Specialist upgrade frame within the box...but if they go that route, we might see another version of the box down the road which is doubled up for models or with a HWT or something of that nature.

 Vovin wrote:

drbored wrote:
Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

Both rumours came from the same source, posted by the same person on B&C. They were just in different threads I believe.

Well, that's a relief. Glad to see it's not the generic ruin corners + pipes again. The slight partial return of Sector Imperialis stuff is welcome.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Terrain looks like 2 sprues of walls, 2 sprues of floors, 2 sets of ruins, and the gateway sprue.

I would agree on that make-up. Glad the Gateway sprue is back. Very reliable guy I know on Facebook is always getting tons of sets and breaking them up for parts, so there's a good chance he'll get some of those gateway sprues. Believe it or not, I only have 1 of that sprue, so I'd love another one. Or 3.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Sisters are probably a unit similar to the kommandoes. Leader with options, 9 troops with sword and auto pistol. Then 1 per 10 can take x, 1 per 10 can take y, one per 10 can take z, ect. The options are there to make the various types of specialists, and the box art is going to show off all of the options, giving a disjointed loadout if you take one of everything, even if it is allowed by rules.

Lord Damocles spotted the generic sister in this pic, so it seems that they have all their fancy options, and then regular pistol/shield options. This is good.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Nice to have DKK available separately. Though, having ordered a solo model off ebay to paint up, I'm a bit off put by the number of mold lines. The model was covered in them...

Some of the models in the kit have less mould lines/obvious lines than others I have found when building my own, e.g some have been super quick to clean whilst others have took more time.


In regards to the pathfinders not being fully new, is anyone actually seriously suggesting that kit is outdated and required a full refresh? Considering the backlog of units that actually need a model update across multiple factions? The upgrade sprue is fine, it would just be a new kit for the sake of a new kit otherwise. Most of the Tau kits are relatively modern/new still, they really do not need to have the refresh cycle started on them.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Nice to have DKK available separately. Though, having ordered a solo model off ebay to paint up, I'm a bit off put by the number of mold lines. The model was covered in them...

Some of the models in the kit have less mould lines/obvious lines than others I have found when building my own, e.g some have been super quick to clean whilst others have took more time.


In regards to the pathfinders not being fully new, is anyone actually seriously suggesting that kit is outdated and required a full refresh? Considering the backlog of units that actually need a model update across multiple factions? The upgrade sprue is fine, it would just be a new kit for the sake of a new kit otherwise. Most of the Tau kits are relatively modern/new still, they really do not need to have the refresh cycle started on them.

I'm happy with an upgrade sprue for pathfinders, even if I wish they had redone kroot instead.

I dont think the cadian sprue was meant as a kill team tie in though. If they wanted to make a cadia n squad, mixing the command squad and a 5 man set of infantry would cover a lot more specialists than the upgrade sprue does. The upgrade basically exists to fill out the missi g options in the infantry box, letting gw get rid of the old cadian snipers, sergeants, and special weapons blisters.

I am curious what units could make a kill team with an upgrade sprue, vs what armies would be better with a new unit/kit. Skitarii and genestealer cult both could get by with an upgrade sprue. Eldar rangers and chaos chosen would both be good kits to get the integrated specialists like kommandoes.

They usually eventually release the miniatures for Underworld seperately don't they? May have use for the SCE but not the Kruleboyz and I don't play Underworlds.

 Ahtman wrote:
They usually eventually release the miniatures for Underworld seperately don't they? May have use for the SCE but not the Kruleboyz and I don't play Underworlds.

They didn't for the last season. Scuttlebutt I've heard is that the individual sales don't ever really amount to anything, in the Grand Scheme of Things.

I like the SCE and Kruelboyz in the new Underworlds starter.

Obviously it's personal preference, but I loathe this new KT box. The new Sisters models look awful to me, the heads in particular. The headpieces are really goofy and over-exaggerated and lot of the faces are very derpy. The Tau expansion sprue looks like it has some nice arm and accessory options, but man those new Star Trek visor heads look terrible. The normal helmets and old Tau helmetless heads look miles better in my opinion. The terrain is old, but at least its nice. Really disappointed, especially after how awesome Octarius was.

Oh well, money saved I suppose.

 CMLR wrote:

 clodax66 wrote:
So far that rumours seams to be spot on. That makes me happy as an Eldar player, since there is suppose to be massive Eldar release next year according to the rumour along with a massive CSM release. They also said we are getting squats and that made suspicious of that rumour, but now looks we are getting squats. I am not sure in what format. whether it's a full army of just a kill team

Not a killjoy, but the leak didn't said anything new besides the Codex.

So the codex is the "massive but incomplete update"?

Specific words. Massive but incomplete update.

The way they split Tau Empire and Mercenery Cadre into two factions tells me that Kroot may eventually be getting their own Kill Team treatment later on.

Also, good spot by Lord Damocles. That was what I was hoping to see out of the Sisters Novitiates. In 40k I'm sure they'll be great as a cheap objective capping unit with basic swords and pistols that can also harass. WS/BS 4+ with S3 and no AP with maybe 2 attacks apiece, 3 for the leader with a power sword (ap3, still S3), is what I'd bet on. Maybe a 4+ or even 5+ armor save, supplemented by the typical Shield of Faith rules.

I'm pretty excited by the idea that the Novitiates have SO MANY ARMS, and many of them will likely fit perfectly with the rest of the sisters of battle (same elbow armor, robe, and gloves), which is going to be phenomenal for converting all the different characters, superiors, or just regular battle sisters. I can't wait to get my hands on it!

As for other things that might get the Kill Team treatment, I figure we can group things into 3 categories:

Kits that are Modern (no update expected, no upgrade sprue needed)
Kits to Replace (old kits that really need an entire rehash)
Kits to Upgrade (modern kits that could get an upgrade sprue in the box)

So, here's what I'd expect going forward, based in part by some of the rumors we've seen and stuff that's already out.

Kits that are Modern
-Chaos Space Marines - a decent amount of options in the original kit, and arms that are compatible with lots of other kits.
-Plague Marines - pretty characterful kit as it is, with lots of individual weapon options already.
-Thousand Sons - though it doesn't necessarily have a ton of options, what would you really expect out of a group of automatons?
-Kabalite Warriors - A sharp kit with plenty of different weapon options and head options already.
-Drukhari Wyches - With tons of heads, weapons, and other things, I don't see this one getting updated.
-Genestealer Cults - Most of the kits already have lots of options, a mix of weapons, and even things like demo charges. I think most of the Genestealer Cult stuff is in a good place.
-Custodes - I just don't see what else they could do. You've got a very regimented group of golden boys that have so much detail and a number of weapon options, but more than anything you only need 2-4 in a Kill Team.

Kits to Replace
-Eldar Guardians - This fits in with one of the rumors we've seen, involving an Eldar update, and an even older rumor that suggested Eldar Guardians would be getting the Kill Team treatment
-Chaos Cultists - more like... this kit doesn't even exist any more. Getting anything at this point would be an upgrade compared to what we can purchase.
-Chaos Chosen - a great opportunity for the KT treatment. You could make the base squad with typical special weapons for 40k, and have tons of characterful bits for Kill Team, and also matches the rumors
-Tyranid Genestealers - This kit is seriously showing its age, and could be given a lot of character and flavor with lots of different mutations, alongside the typical scything talons and rending claws for 40k
-Admech Servitors - An ancient kit that's kind of lost its purpose, but could be given new life if upgraded and made for Kill Team with a particular kind of leader. They did a great new servitor for a Blackstone Fortress expansion and I'd love to see more of that.

Kits to Upgrade
-Cadian Guardsmen - as was mentioned, this was likely a Kill Team planned release that got out of synch due to world events, and gives us an idea of what else we might see.
-Primaris (Insert Kit here) - Many Primaris kits already have a decent number of bits, but not a lot of flavor that we see compared to the Kommandos, Krieg, Novitiates, or Tau Pathfinders. Any of the Primaris kits could be given a new upgrade sprue. A top contender could be the Rievers, given new life via an upgrade sprue for different specops weapons.
-Harlequins - The standard troupe does have a lot of different options, but what it lacks is flavor and character. An upgrade sprue with some wilder heads, exotic weapons, or even 'stage props' could be a great upgrade.
-Necron Immortals/Deathmark - This box is one of the few that was modern before the big Necron update of 9th, and an upgrade sprue for a few more options could help it stay afloat for years to come. Plus, the base models are pretty bland for Kill Team, especially if you're trying to make a roster and keep them individual.
-Chaos Daemons - I don't really see this happening, but if any of the Chaos Daemons were updated, I'd expect it to be more in the form of an upgrade sprue. Considering these daemons are used both for 40k and Age of Sigmar, I don't see any of the upgrades being 40k-specific. Additional mutations, banners, and heads, would always be welcome to any of those kits, especially since things like Bloodletters can look very same-y.

There's my speculation anyway.

Goose LeChance wrote:
Meh, in my opinion it's intentional and they're holding back 40K to increase the popularity of AoS and it's spinoffs.

Ah so that's why the aos3 release is progressing at glacial pace slower than 40k 9e started with still no idea what's the army next month supposed to be and no idea is there even 4th army this year coming while we know there's still 3 books coming this year for 40k

40k is atm getting 3x codexes to aos this year in remaining 3 months. If that's holding back 40k...how many codexes 40k should get in 3 months vs aos? 6? 9? 12?

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:

 clodax66 wrote:
So far that rumours seams to be spot on. That makes me happy as an Eldar player, since there is suppose to be massive Eldar release next year according to the rumour along with a massive CSM release. They also said we are getting squats and that made suspicious of that rumour, but now looks we are getting squats. I am not sure in what format. whether it's a full army of just a kill team

Not a killjoy, but the leak didn't said anything new besides the Codex.

So the codex is the "massive but incomplete update"?

Specific words. Massive but incomplete update.

IIRC the rumor mentioned Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks, and one other of the aspect warriors, along with their Phoenix Lords and Avatar. There was also mention of a split kit of Ranger Bikers and Shining Spears, and maybe a few other things as well. There was yet another rumor that Eldar would get a KT kit for Guardians.


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tneva82 wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:
Meh, in my opinion it's intentional and they're holding back 40K to increase the popularity of AoS and it's spinoffs.

Ah so that's why the aos3 release is progressing at glacial pace slower than 40k 9e started with still no idea what's the army next month supposed to be and no idea is there even 4th army this year coming while we know there's still 3 books coming this year for 40k

40k is atm getting 3x codexes to aos this year in remaining 3 months. If that's holding back 40k...how many codexes 40k should get in 3 months vs aos? 6? 9? 12?

lol this is ridiculous. Between shipping issues (shortage of shipping containers, factory shutdowns, shortage of raw materials globally) as well as Brexit, various countries at different stages of lockdown and recovery, imports/exports a total mess, I'd say that very little of how things are rolling out is 'intentional'. I think GW is going to be in "damage control" for another year.

Case in point, the Ork coin that was released this month was the 11th coin that they released, yet the box that came to game stores is labeled as the 9th coin. In other words, the 40k Ork release was likely initially planned to be two months ago.

I'm not going to say that GW's release plan is in shambles, but things are definitely out of order and they're getting as much hobby material out to us as possible to keep their microeconomy going.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Vovin wrote:

drbored wrote:
Most rumor mongers would prefer to be right than to make stuff up. The list of rumors was more extensive than rumors we've gotten in a while, but having confirmation of one or two things, historically, proves the batch.

But there are at least two batches of rumours:
Batch A from 4chan: 2021 BT, Killteam, Orks, Custodes/GSC box
Batch B from B&C: 2022 Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Squats

Batch A is partly verified so we can assume that the remaining items from this batch are likely true as well.
But this doesn't affect the reliability of batch B in any form since it is from another source. As far as I can see the only thing in common is that they were released within the same week - so likely a real leak followed by a copycat fraud.

Everyone would say that the following is nonsensical: "The Onion is a reliable source of news because the New York Times got most of their stuff right in the past." So why are people so insistent to use the same flawed logic here?

Both rumours came from the same source, posted by the same person on B&C. They were just in different threads I believe.

They were, yes. The 4Chan batch was different and if I remember rightly has already been proven wrong.

Things are out of order, but by now it is more looking like GW has the focus on 40k and tries to get those releases running and AoS with the new Edition is hold back and does not see the necessary support, than the other way around (40k hold back to favour AoS release)

and it is still strange that there is no AoS event/release at GenCon as for the main game that is flowing in the new Edition hype and needs the support to get things going with all changes around it and really looks like that it is hold back to favour other products (maybe because of all the issues around Brexit and GW cannot support it and rather keeps quiet)

 kodos wrote:
Things are out of order, but by now it is more looking like GW has the focus on 40k and tries to get those releases running and AoS with the new Edition is hold back and does not see the necessary support, than the other way around (40k hold back to favour AoS release)

and it is still strange that there is no AoS event/release at GenCon as for the main game that is flowing in the new Edition hype and needs the support to get things going with all changes around it and really looks like that it is hold back to favour other products (maybe because of all the issues around Brexit and GW cannot support it and rather keeps quiet)

I mean they're backed up. We still don't actually have our newly released models for Stormcast and Orruks yet. I feel like once again people just seem to be ignoring the fact that the Planet. Is. Shut. Down.

I mean even the local McDonalds closes at 8PM in my town now, because they cannot find workers. Packages seem to take three to four times as long to reach me, even if I pay for two-day service, longer if it takes the seller extra time to get to a post office or transit company. Is it any wonder that they're not rolling new stock off the shelves as if this was 2018 again? I am not the least bit surprised that we haven't seen anymore AoS announcements, none of us were expecting any so soon. The most I am expecting is a couple of battletomes for some of the more established armies, and I'd be surprised to see any more major faction updates until Q2 of 2022. Just give it some time. Patience is something we as gamers all need to learn.

It is not about being patient or that there are still problems around but communication

If some people get the idea that 40k releases are hindered in favour of AoS stuff, despite 40k is better supported than the new Edition of AoS, there is something wrong with Company-Customer communication

GW would benefit by going directly to the customer saying that it is not working as planned because of issues they cannot influence and all releases are months late, instead editing old posts, making a small comment somewhere and saying "it was always planned that way"