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Another hard pass for me. No interest in the models this time around, and making it only two figures at their absurd character model price puts the nail in the coffin.

It's a shame it's not the equivalent of the Guard Command squad. Maybe a couple of other miniatures of specialists.

I hope GW don't tease the lost and the damned out this way.

GW has definitely figured out the FFG school of sales now...you can jack up the price of anything when it comes with a few cards, tokens, and some pamphlets.

 Elbows wrote:
GW has definitely figured out the FFG school of sales now...you can jack up the price of anything when it comes with a few cards, tokens, and some pamphlets.

You know the best part? Probably those cardboard tokens are more expensive to produce for GW than the plastic sprues of the miniatures.

It's not proper FFG until you can fill a bath with the tokens.

Another 60US$ expansion and they can't squeeze in a single explorer to go along? Come on.....

Chopstick wrote:
Another 60US$ expansion and they can't squeeze in a single explorer to go along? Come on.....

That's actually a really good point. Enemy packs are fun (albeit expensive), but adding new playable characters into each pack would make it much more worth it. An ordo xenos inquisitor type, for the Ambull, a 'good' Imperial guardsperson for this new pack? Adding a hero with some new 'similarly flavored' enemies, makes each pack seem a lot more fun, and can potentially add more players too the game. Instead of just making more enemies/quests for the players you already have. In my BSF group, we can't always have the same people play every week, so we each have a particular character we use, and they come in when each of us can play. It makes things fun, as we get to try playing with different types of people, personalities, and ways of tackling challenges. Perhaps GW wants to make periodic BIG expansions, which will add in 2-3 more playable characters, but I think this would be much better.

I would love to see them add 'Rival' players to the game as well. Characters who specifically counter one (or more) of the player's characters on the board. Something a little more fun, and involving then just rando monsters for the 'enemy' player to push around. A Moriarty to mess with Holmes, a Master to thwart the Doctor, a Skeletor to curb stomp He-man!!!(myaaaaaahhh!)!!!!
Plus, more cool character models...

My fear is that the characters they recently revealed as part of that arena combat game will either be stretched out into 2-3 $100 expansions, or, worse, get the Kill-Team Commanders treatment with overpriced boxes.

Putting them in one box as a $100 expansion. That'd be worthwhile.

Judging from their rather flat pose, They'd probably shoved together into tiny sprues like the Rogue Trader and BSF team.

You know if GW put half the effort they put into these monopose chaos guard into an actual multipose kit we could have an actual renegades and heretics codex. Just frustrating. They look good don't get me wrong, I just want to see them in 40k proper without being a 7 man unit forced to split 50/50 between lasguns/pistol ccw and one guy only getting grenades of all things

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
one guy only getting grenades of all things

He had a lasgun, hanging on his right shoulder.

I’ll echo what many have said, despite how awesome looking these WQ:BSF expansions are, they simply feel very overpriced compared to what I am getting from a similar investment in W:Underworlds or Kill Team (most all have minis & cardboard). Thus I will not be buying these expansions.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
You know if GW put half the effort they put into these monopose chaos guard into an actual multipose kit we could have an actual renegades and heretics codex. Just frustrating. They look good don't get me wrong, I just want to see them in 40k proper without being a 7 man unit forced to split 50/50 between lasguns/pistol ccw and one guy only getting grenades of all things

Bsf looks great by itself without needing them in 40k other than kill team they are good.
I agree that renegades got the worst index in the game and got nothing but hate abs nerfing by gw and I’ve been crusading for a real codex or at the very least an index to allow guard to be used with chaos just like brood brothers to genestealer cults.
But alas all we get is bsf as the only consolation prize and it’s expensive if your just using the models and not the rest of the game.
I’ve given up on love from gw so I’m just trying to find ways to make this work.

Chopstick wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
one guy only getting grenades of all things

He had a lasgun, hanging on his right shoulder.

Doesn't change the fact that he has a point.
We now would have basically nearly every type of special unit for a R&H army beyond muties, however A the models are fixed in equipment B and worst of all in the rules.

7guardsmen with varia equipment is just euughh, same with the gellerpox / Rogue traders.

It is also rather aggrevating when you look at the rules for the models but you are not allowed to field them as aR&H choices. No instead we get these extremely limited models and 0 afterthought for an index that needs attention.

Also the guardsmen might had a lasgun on his shoulders, however gw didn't bother to actually allow him to use it.

All in all, it just feels like such wasted oppurtunity.

I don't think it's a wasted opportunity if they actually come out with their codex and use these models as a basis for a new kit. Seems like what has been done in the past.

Not Online!!! wrote:


Also the guardsmen might had a lasgun on his shoulders, however gw didn't bother to actually allow him to use it.

I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun

Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.

 Flinty wrote:
I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun

Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.

FWIW, yeah, the only datasheet difference is that guy also has krak grenades while the other lasgunners just have frag.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun

Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.

FWIW, yeah, the only datasheet difference is that guy also has krak grenades while the other lasgunners just have frag.

You know that the model throwing the grenade does have any different wargear right? It’s just modelled differently they all have the same grenades and has the same lasgun as the other lasgunners

 ulfhednir86 wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun

Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.

FWIW, yeah, the only datasheet difference is that guy also has krak grenades while the other lasgunners just have frag.

You know that the model throwing the grenade does have any different wargear right? It’s just modelled differently they all have the same grenades and has the same lasgun as the other lasgunners

I know that he does have any different wargear, right.

GW does mechanically represent the grenade guys differently. Not a choice I'd make, but it is what they did. If that's not what you're getting at, I don't understand your (rhetorical?) question.

I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?

That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.

BSF is a pretty solid light co-op (they learned a lot since silver tower). I agree that the choice of more chaos was super-boring, though.

I'm hoping to find a copy of the rules from someone who's gotta have the models for 40k, since content is content, though.

Eldar, Necron or Slann are more likely to turn up as Explorers, though.

After the Chaos models - that have probably been there right from the beginning during development - I’d rather see more of the Fortress’ own denizens than simply adding in Eldar or Necron for no good reason.

SamusDrake wrote:
I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?

That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.

Why pass on the core game, which is great fun, just because one of the (many) expansions doesn't quite take your fancy? One 9f the benefits of this release method is that you're not tied into getting stuff you don't actually want because it's attached to some larger expansion. The down side is that the packs do seem a bit steep. Even more important then to only get the stuff that interests you. If loads of ambulls sell, but very few of the chaos command, then hopefully GW will direct their efforts elsewhere.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Eldar, Necron or Slann are more likely to turn up as Explorers, though.

After the Chaos models - that have probably been there right from the beginning during development - I’d rather see more of the Fortress’ own denizens than simply adding in Eldar or Necron for no good reason.

I can see both characters and enemies that are Aeldari, Necron, or Slann. Aeldari Corsairs or Drukhari especially would work well as enemies- there is no reason they would play nice with an Aeldari explorer, even if the explorer was the same kind of Eldar.

Likewise, there could easily be an outcast Cryptek/Lord hero exploring the fortress who is forced to work alongside the others for support, and fighting against Canoptek forces of a rival from another Necron faction. Or maybe the Necron antagonists could be Flayed ones, with a Flayed Lord leading them (=cool new models). Flayed ones would be likely to fight against other Necrons.

Slann I dunno, I think Enslavers are more likely.

 Flinty wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?

That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.

Why pass on the core game, which is great fun, just because one of the (many) expansions doesn't quite take your fancy? One 9f the benefits of this release method is that you're not tied into getting stuff you don't actually want because it's attached to some larger expansion. The down side is that the packs do seem a bit steep. Even more important then to only get the stuff that interests you. If loads of ambulls sell, but very few of the chaos command, then hopefully GW will direct their efforts elsewhere.

You are right that I could bite the bullet on the core game and just not purchase this new pack, but it makes me wonder if we are to expect mostly chaos-themed packs down the road.

That said, White Dwarf might balance things off with rules for other, existing models from other races...

There have been 2 packs formally released or announced and the imperial agents teased. Of the 3 only 1 is chaos related so far. Also the core box is entirely complete and self contained so worrying about whether or not you want to spend more money at some indeterminate future in upgrade packs seems a little out of sequence


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While I don't like the models that much, if the quest seems worthwhile I might try and pick up the card stock and rule book cheap on eBay Easy enough to proxy models in if needed.

If this new expansion is the same price as the Ambull one, I might try to get the rules for a tiny fee (might even get them for free from someone at the shop), and convert a Chaos Ogryn and comissar. But at the same time, I'm not sure that many people would buy it just for the minis. There's nothing quite as unique as the Ambull, and if the 40K rules happen to be bonkers, people might just convert the minis themselves…
So I'm really hoping for a reasonable price here.

 Flinty wrote:
There have been 2 packs formally released or announced and the imperial agents teased. Of the 3 only 1 is chaos related so far. Also the core box is entirely complete and self contained so worrying about whether or not you want to spend more money at some indeterminate future in upgrade packs seems a little out of sequence


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While I don't like the models that much, if the quest seems worthwhile I might try and pick up the card stock and rule book cheap on eBay Easy enough to proxy models in if needed.

See thats the thing - the core box is full of chaos dudes! At first I was like "Urgh, no thanks - don't fancy painting up those chaps", and then Ambull comes along "ah, it was just the core box and they'll be doing some thing different from now on", then the chaos is back and its "so really, someone at GW is obsessed with Chaos and BSF is what it is afterall". Not sure what to think of the Imperial chaps...inquisitors aren't they from a separate combat game? Just bolstering whats already there?

To be fair, its not something I feel that strongly about to the point of pitch forks'n'blood hounds, and I'm actually happy for the Chaos fans out there. Its just that so far the Quest series has been nothing but Chaos...the only one that seemed different was Silver Tower as the Tzeentch are visually unique compared to the other commonly barbaric factions of Chaos. One thing I will say for BSF - the player hero characters are pretty good and varied. Quite like the Eldar-ranger, the Tau Kroot-tracker and the robot...the rest aren't too bad either.

Thinking on it further, I do like that "Laybrinth of the Necrons" from Barnes & Noble, and it would have been an ideal theme for a Quest game - certainly a change from the angry-ones from the eye of terror...

All said and done, I'm well chuffed with the Ambull. Lovely miniature to paint and adding it to other games has been straight forward.

For me, it feels to early to treat the first two expansions out of the gate as the standard.

Right now, we're still at the stage of people discovering the game for the first time. So any expansions may well benefit from being smol. I know international prices don't match, but for me, £35 is about nice. Yes I'd have preferred cheaper, don't be silly. But £35 I don't feel is too much.

In time, we may see larger, more in depth expansions (such as a new group of explorers and adversaries), to tempt those of us who've completed the initial stuff back. Not only are more models always nice, but it would be interesting to see how a new group deal with the Ambull etc.

I'm still hoping for more BSF internal defence gribblies. Those drones are so not-40k in style that I want more!

Ideally, I think I'd like three, maybe four smol expansions a year, and one significant one. That'll help keep the experience fresh and challenging, without requiring constant outlay the way playing 40k does.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


I'm still hoping for more BSF internal defence gribblies. Those drones are so not-40k in style that I want more!

The funny-looking sentinal guys? That would indeed be cool.