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How do they interact? What if my KoS decides to siren song an average unit that reacts normally on terror, does the unit have to make a Ld test? I find the idea that your terror would annul an item you specifically paid for enormously redundant, but I can't find closure on it anywhere.

It's just like a normal charge so all psychology tests would have to be taken.

A Terror/Fear test must be taken to charge a unit that used Sirens Song. Remeber that this is not always a bad thing. in many cases it could force a unit to flee even if they would rather charge.

Add to that the fact that demons may be leadership bombing in this situation, and you could be doing this on purpose.

This can only work in your favor anyway. If it's a charge he actually wants (for some reason) then he'll have to take terror and might run despite whatever improbable trick he's got up his sleeve. If it's a charge he doesn't want, he can always elect to flee anyways.

RZ

Red_Zeke wrote:
If it's a charge he doesn't want, he can always elect to flee anyways.

This is usualy never the case as a Daemon Player will use the Song to get something big out of it such as a Wizard or the General.

Out of curiosity.
Can you use the siren song on a char in a unit? Say there is a guy on a horse in an infantry unit. Can you use siren song to pull him out of it?

Just the unit, unless he's by himself.

Negativemoney wrote:

This is usualy never the case as a Daemon Player will use the Song to get something big out of it such as a Wizard or the General.

Right, I'm aware of that, but that's not really the point. The point is that the target could always have fled anyways... it's just that terror forces the issue sometimes. I can't really think of a situation where it would be disastrous for the demon player if the charger failed terror. Any unit that didn't want to fight would have fled anyways.

RZ

True but I can see many possibilities where failing a fear check on the siren would be beneficial to anit-demon player.

Completely within the rules too. standard charge rules apply.

I guess I'm saying this- in any case where it would be beneficial for the non-demon player to fail terror, why wouldn't he just choose to flee instead. You know, as one of his two options with Siren.

The ONLY thing I see as a plus is that it would get his one terror check out of the way for the game on that unit. But that seems like a silly way to do it.

RZ

You would never unleash the song unless it's bad either way for the opponent, like fleeing or charging means you die.

I think I just figured out what's up. I'm thinking of a Siren Song + Terror. You may be thinking of Siren Song + Fear. If it's a lose-lose situation, then there's no problem with the enemy failing terror.

NOW- if they were a fear causing unit (and thus only suffered fear in return) THEN we have a discussion. As in, a failed fear check holds them in place.

A failed terror check has them run.

RZ