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Does anybody use him? Is he worth using? What is the best way to use him?

I thought you were a BA player! Did you fall to the corruption of Chaos? I will have to cleanse and purge my friends list!

Seriously though, I don't have the new Chaos 'dex so I cannot help you there. I only have the 4th ed. dex.

I had to sell them off. I lacked the ambition to paint all of my minis, plus my friend is building a BA army so I figured he was the perfect way to sell them off. I can help my friend with his army now too. My friends and I always use each others armies anyways, so I play practically everything


Edit: Back on topic, can anybody help me out with Fabius Bile?

He makes the marines fearless and the extra strength makes them pretty monstrous, for a tad cheaper than cult marines. Run then as a full 20 man squad with Icon of Khorne and just walk them across the table.

Otherwise, they don't really do anything that berzerkers or possessed already do.

Strictly to be silly:

HQ:

Fabius Bile

Troops

3x 20 CSM (Enhanced, AC/PF, MoN, 2x Melta)

S5 T5 Fearless Mobs of pure Chaos! (roughly 2.5 points less per model than Plague Marines, but without FNP, and this squad gives you the roll of fun that could get you 20 armour saves or S6)

Give them MoK instead and you get Berzerkers with Meltaguns.. .. sort of

1570 points... so add or subtract to the point game you want to play...

I, myself am currently using Fabius Bile as the HQ for a Chaos Mercenary Army.

I figure who else would get limited powers of Chaos to serve him? Sure Abbadon could, but that is just SO expensive.

Course I usually play weaker themed armies. =)

Personallyi have to dis agree. i would run them in squads of twety but give them icon of nurgle making each one s6 t6 heres my fabious army
even though i realise mine are in squads of tens but that allows my men to get their quickly and my rhinos to tank shock causing pure CHAOS on organised armys like marines of the false emporer

Chaos army
160 fabious bile
265 10 chaos space marines w enhancements icon of nurgle and rhino
265 10 chaos space marines w enhancements icon of nurgle and rhino
252 9 chaos space marines w enhancements icon of nurgle and rhino w twin linked bolter
390 ten terminator 5 have power claws icon of nurgle
170 Chaos defiler w 1 extra cc weapon and twin linked las cannons

1498



also to absolute blue why would you want berserkers w melta guns they are intended for melee

tau_etheral wrote:Personallyi have to dis agree. i would run them in squads of twety but give them icon of nurgle making each one s6 t6 heres my fabious army
even though i realise mine are in squads of tens but that allows my men to get their quickly and my rhinos to tank shock causing pure CHAOS on organised armys like marines of the false emporer


also to absolute blue why would you want berserkers w melta guns they are intended for melee

Bile can't upgrade Toughness so you're stuck at T5 with MoN.
Also zerkers with Meltas is epic! Pop an LR then scoop out the soft juicy insides! Yum.....

2 Month threadromancy lol

Whoops I just looked at last post. Sorry lol.

@tau_etheral - As Madgod indicated, the ability to pop a vehicle and then assault what falls out would be ideal... Not always possible based on the conditions of the fight at the time, but it would be nice .

CSM need a rhino. If they walk across the table, they die to a plethora of different shooting.

Oh thanks for clearing that up but when i said s 5 t 5 is because if you enhance then mark of nurgle you get that. but sour clams is right unless its like steel legiond its not that great because they lose their pistol so they wont get the +1 a also what do you think about my army for bile.


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also i meant t 5 s 5 not 6 so sorry

I have no idea what he just said.

I've always wanted to run a Fabius Bile list. I just played Dual Lash instead though. The list I did want to run would have looked like this.

Fabius Bile 160

Enhanced CSM x10, Champ w/PF, IoN, 2x Melta in Rhino 325
Enhanced CSM x10, Champ w/PF, IoN, 2x Melta in Rhino 325
Enhanced CSM x9, Champ w/PF, IoN, 2x Melta in Rhino w/ TL bolter 312

3x Oblits 225
3x Oblits 225
3x Oblits 225

3x Chaos Termies, Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer 100
3x Chaos Termies, Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer 100

There is always the one huge glaring hole in a Fabius list. Your troops have a 1 in 3 chance of just up and dieing (either at the beginning of the game or slowly over the course of the game). And you have to ask yourself is that worth +1(Maybe +2) Str and Fearless for 3 points a model?

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it does!

sourclams wrote:CSM need a rhino. If they walk across the table, they die to a plethora of different shooting.

QFT. I would not imagine trying to foot a unit of CSM across the table... without mobility, i feel like a big target.

Bile can be very good.

Lets look at what he can really do to an Chaos marines verus the option of cult.

Enhanced CSM w/ Mark of nurgle Vrs Plague (10 man unit comparison)
Given a 10 man unit, they are the SAME cost, Plague come with FNP. Enchanced come with S5 and I4.Both are Fearless, T5 3+. Weapon load out are nearly the same for assualt roles. For my role of objector holding, give me the Plagues any day of the week. If you are need a beat stick in combat, get one... Chaos has lots of other options.

Enhanced CSM w/ Mark of Khorne Vrs Zergs(10 man unit comparison)
For the initial assualt, zergs have the Enchanced marines. WS5 + furious charge is better than S5 all the time. Same number of attacks. If you are going into a protracted that you think may last more than 1 or 2 rounds, the enchanced warrior start to pull through quicker... but again WS5 is a big deal. An very interesting unit, honestly if you are single assualt smashing unit, get the zergs. If you want to out class 90% of troops, Enhanced + Khorne is no joke.

Enhanced CSM w/ Mark of Slannesh Vrs Noise
unless you are running with sonic weapons, 100% of the time pick the Enhaced + slaanesh. S5 I5 is baaad News. Not as many attacks as Khorne (don't forget CSM has dual weapons all the time) , but you will go first! Oh, and it's cheap! This combination makes some of the "advancing troops" in the game. I like it because you can take the CSM weapon loadout while still having the I5.

Enhanced CSM w/ Mark of Tzeentch Vrs T Sons
These units perform different roles. TSons stand off with S&P AP3 bolters and Enhanced get close. It's expensive... no thanks, but you may like them.


*** Don't forget Bile didn't stop at enhancing your CSM troop sqauds, you can also enhance Choosen, Havoks, and Bikers (all under the same CSM entery in the codex)

funny combos - Choose + Slannesh + CC weapons. Load up in a heavy support Land Raider and unleash. S5 I5 ligting claws all the time!
Bikers + Khorne. I like this unit because it's supprizes the heck out enemy. Lots of attacks. Very fun against orks

Damn, that's right. Gwar! is suspended, I was about to ask him if there was an FAQ or something on that. Anyone know the final word on whether or not Bile can ehance other "CSM?"

DarkHound wrote:Damn, that's right. Gwar! is suspended, I was about to ask him if there was an FAQ or something on that. Anyone know the final word on whether or not Bile can ehance other "CSM?"

I wouldn't get too excited about all that. It's not that cut and dry.

And for Chubs, Enhanced with MoK outpace Berzerkers because they are cheaper and get bolters and meltaguns, which berzerkers lack.

whitedragon - I agree that Enhanced with MoK have a better weapon load out. Botlers & double specials are great and potentially needed in 5th (meltas). Where the zergs have the edge is 1st turn of the assualt. WS5 S5 I5 clears out assualts very quickly and allows for higher potential of eliminating special troopers. It all comes down to how you are going to use them.

S5 ROCKS in combat and fearless CSM is amazing - This is why anyone would use Bile. I personally like enchaced w/ MoS better than MoK. Sometime you want to shoot up the enemy with bolters to thin them out, why pay for the extra attack if you aren't in CC. I5 means you are going to swing against every Troop except steallers... whom you are shooting bolters at anyway.

An effective unit, CSM + Enhanced + MoS. 2 Flamers, Champ combi flamer Fist. Rhino.
3 flamers shooting at a single unit does make a mess. Tri Flame, charge, kill most everything with lower return hits.

Oh, Don't forget S4+1 Power fist at S9 against vechicles - pretty cool for killing armour.

Chubs wrote:whitedragon - I agree that Enhanced with MoK have a better weapon load out. Botlers & double specials are great and potentially needed in 5th (meltas). Where the zergs have the edge is 1st turn of the assualt. WS5 S5 I5 clears out assualts very quickly and allows for higher potential of eliminating special troopers. It all comes down to how you are going to use them.

The problem I have with zerkers is their inability to crack transports and assault the contents. In my Pure World Eaters army, the 'zerkers always get stuck banging on a rhino/raider/whatever and then the troops inside laugh and shoot them to death. Also, the 'zerkers can only reach out and touch something 12" away with pistols, where sometimes it's more advantageous to rapid fire bolters.

I'm switching to Enhanced Marines with MoK to get the same punch, but also have the flexibility to bring the right weapons for the job.

I really miss the WS5 Powerfist though.

Wouldn't it be S10, since the +1 Strength is to the base, not a modifier like Furious Charge?

I use units of 10 with mark of khorne, powerfist, and double meltas in rhinos. Spam at least 3 such units, preferably 4 or 5. I placed in 'ard boyz with such an army.

They're better than most cult marines because they're cheaper and can take dual melta. They're better than possessed or chosen because they are a scoring unit. They're better than CSM because they are fearless.

And if you get the "berzerk rage" result, your power fist does become str10 for that squad, which is great for offing land raiders and ironclads.

Supplement with a unit of plague marines (which also gives bile a place to hide since he can't fit in a rhino with his enhanced marines) so that you have a unit you can count on to all be there and camp your home objective, and you're ready to rock.

Darkhound: the enhancing other kinds of "Chaos Marines" unit isn't in any FAQ right now. Personally I wouldn't try it at a tournament and risk getting told no. Also it kind of defeats the purpose since the great advantage of enhanced CSM units is that they're *scoring.*

Probably yeah.

DarkHound wrote:Wouldn't it be S10, since the +1 Strength is to the base, not a modifier like Furious Charge?

Nope, there was a debate about this awhile ago. I used to be of the opinion that the +1 was added to the base, but it's not. It's just +1 Strength for the entire game. So it's like looking for a bonus when you check strength and going "Add plus one for Enhanced Marines".