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Moustache-twirling Princeps





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I have taken some time to get bored and start choppin up sprues. This led to me thinking about what I could make out them. At this point I am seriously considering making a Tyranid Demon. I haven't seen any and I think it would be an awesome project. I plan to use sprues to form a skeleton, then I will have to bite the bullet and go buy green-stuff and milliput. I would prefer to use recycled or easily obtained materials. I don't think I have enough brain cells or ventilation to make a solid plastic model by welding piece by piece. But the thought has crossed my mind; I am pretty handy with a dremel.

I have found a very good FAQ sheet on sculpting, unfortunately I believe you need a yahoo account to view this. I have no problem sharing it with you by copy and pasting; I can't do that... so I will leave it up to your ability to sign up for a yahoo account if you do not have one.

This is the main site although again it does not matter without a yahoo account.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1listSculpting/

Here are some pics to get the discussion sparked.

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bits

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They dont know the meaning of ugly

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Stimpy Demon!!!

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The Great State of Texas

Holy Thats either total garbage or the most twisted thing I've seen since the Sound of Music. Its leaning towards twisted...

(file the games off the sprue while its easy-it may come through the paint/other work)

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Woah! Twisted I'd love to see where this is going! Cool to see another scratchbuilder around!

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stimpy daemon?! That's so bad it's... AWESOME

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Got a few photos of my progress with the arm and hand. I hope it is understandable.
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Melbourne, Australia

I love the concept!

I also really like the idea of scratch building as well.

I created a scratch Soul Grinder and used sprue as the skeleton, went over it with hot glue to make the base shape, then milliput over that for course outline and finally greenstuff for the detail (ie. free, cheap, inexpensive, expensive).

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229684.page

Concept pics look awesome - love the idea of a non-standard demon. I would much prefer well pulled off original stuff than simply a painting interpretation of a GW sculpt!

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Hot glue from a "glue-gun"? Just the little class project ones? Sounds pretty effective.

I think by the scale this project has developed it is going to be Soul grinder size. I think I'll stick with the hybrid theme and work from the arm in. I hope I have enough sprues . I am going to try and make something like a Trigon soulgrinder; counts as for either army. I am hoping to cast this if it turns out how I imagine it, but that is for another day.

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Burtucky, Michigan

If all else fails, you have a really sweet Halloween prop for the coffee table. Its looking pretty good so far and the concepts look pretty awesome. I hope this turns out as good as Im hoping!
   
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Thank you for your replies btw.

I think I'm finished with the arm adjustments. I'm going to work a bit on the other shoulder and maybe a bit of the chest for a bit. Maybe give my brain a rest from this for a second (yeah right, like it can). Here is a couple pictures just to make clear what I am doing with the arm.

I'll take advice as you give it. I plan on doing full color drawings before I sculpt this, and I would appreciate peoples consensus on the final design choice.
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Chest is pretty much done for now. Here are some pics. Ask any questions if you'd like.

I actually had some questions of my own before I move on the the bottom piece. I really like the idea of a Trigon styled serpentine body. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm trying to avoid looking like a Lizardman. I think regular legs will be quite difficult to place on a MC base, which is my goal.

My second question is how do you think I should go about making the form of the mutated scything talon? Plasticard is my first thought, but I am really lacking on supplies right now. At some point I may have to ask friends for more sprues. I could wait on this till later when I have begun adding the core of the model (hot-glue). Anyone have a preference in the hot-glue aspect? Kinda seems like the same stuff to me.

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Note the arm will not be positioned like this

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Angled torso (to be explained later)

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I may add back pieces to reinforce the hot glue

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Tried to show the angles of the rib supports

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Shanghai, China

Looking good so far.

Great sprue usage!

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...that hand is the size of y 5yr olds' hand! How big is this thing going to be?!

"All of the whining pisses me off... Somewhere some whiny girlyman reinterpreted sportsmanship to reflect the build and not the player. The build has nothing to do with sportsmanship and getting docked as such is ludicrous." -Inigo Montoya
That being said, I'll still give you a 0 if you bring more than 5 eldar skimmers. Don't be that guy.
Also, strippers. 
   
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I am intending to keep it on a MC base. The arms will be magnetized when i get there. He is just going to have a hand the size of a tank
Note that you can only target legs and torso on a model, so any wings or giant hands I include are un-targetable for tabletop WH40k.

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Melbourne, Australia

Hi Wrexasaur

I would suggest putting some wire coat hanger through the frame to provide some additional strength.

Cool

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How can I connect it with the plastic? Zip ties or Twisty ties? I was planning on reinforcing the existing frame with more struts; I am not sure about the welds integrity though.


 
   
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Melbourne, Australia

Hi

thinner wire twisted around or zip ties would be good - however once you have epoxy putty over the top it will all sit well together and add a strong core (like steel reinforcing in concrete).


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Calgary, AB

I just want to chime in and say that this is looking absolutely fantastic so far. The only thing I'm concerned about is the size - it looks like it's on it's way to rivalling super-heavy Apoc only vehicles.

Which would be sweet - an apocalypse Daemon.

Best of luck, and I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.

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Ty for the tip Tallmantim.

I'm taking a break of the plastic welding to do a bit more design. I think this is closest to what I had in mind. It's a Stimpy Demon variant
Adding a second type, not sure which I like more.
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Stimpy diablo es muy grande!!!

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Tape-worms of the future ATTACK!!! (The guardsmen obviously underestimated his space taco bell)

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Apoc daemon, so sweet.

If this thing ends up as good as it promises too, you may find people selling empty sprues on ebay!
   
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How big is the whole creature going to be? (more or less)

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Kamloops, B.C.

They look like they're going to be Apoc sized. Is it just me or does anyone else mess their pants at the thought of meeting one of these in a dark alley?

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cool! when will it be done?!
   
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I've decided to try and use this in WH40k would be slightly ridiculous. Trying to keep it on a monstrous creature base is probably unfeasible. My plan is to go with the bottom concept, and make it Tri-gon like. The tail will be sunken into the ground so most of it will not be visible. I thought about making its base like a rip in the warp, but I'll deal with that later. If I get a chance I'll draw a scaled drawing roughly depicting its size and stance.

I believe most MC's in WH40k are roughly 4 inches tall and around the same width with posed appendages. . I still plan to keep the hand slightly larger than the torso. If I were to guess the final size, it would be roughly 6-7 inches tall when its finished.

After I finish the framing this week I'll need a bit of help with posing the skeleton. I'll need to make reference marks to keep everything in line because I plan to keep the model in 4-5 pieces. This will help be stay true to the concept w/o too many compromises. I may end up needing 2-3 magnets for each connection, I feel like this will be a very heavy model. In short I plan to finish the sculpting over the course of this month (painting not included). If things go smoothly I could finish this in as little as 2 weeks, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Torso

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Hand

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It doesn't look like its going to be 6-7" tall. It sort of looks like you might be able to claim it as a dependent on your tax return...



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Getting pretty close to the end of the design. I am showing pictures that accurately depict what I plan to do with this model. Not everything is too scale, but I think it is within reason. At this point I am done framing most of the torso and both arms. I will go get some supplies to start sculpting next week, possibly starting on Sunday.

Take a minute to look through the pictures and tell me what you think. I'd like to know how you all would like to see this model develop.

H'mmm I forgot to turn them.... I'll see if I can fix that. The images may not appear, I deleted after turning them but I cant seem to put new ones up. Oh, well I'll take a crack at it tomorrow. Wait am I at picture capacity? I think I might be, I guess this is quite a few pictures. Ok, at some point I believe I will have to put most (if not all) of these pictures in links routing you all to folders in my image box. This is one of those things that trips me up, although I am glad I realized this before I started to get into the real photos. Perhaps I'll keep the photos up and link them as I go, to keep the thread pretty... if you want to call it that.
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Head, shoulder, and arm concepts

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The coolest beard-comb ever (Gun arm yet to be drawn)

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Shoulders made to accomodate adjustable and interchangeable arms

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Small "razor-teeth" to be made from layered plasticard

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A purple room in England

Really looking forward to this. Ive tried using sprues pieces to scratch build and its gone well...however I think if I tried anything THAT big I might have a problem.

From the concept sketches im seeing great things in the future

Lets see it pull through

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It doesn't look like its going to be 6-7" tall. It sort of looks like you might be able to claim it as a dependent on your tax return...



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I was planning to go to the hardware store to pick up supplies to start the sculpt soon but I am wondering about what materials I need. So far my list is=

-Glue gun
-Glue sticks
-Milliput
-Green stuff
-Mini-wire brush (for muscles mainly, not in the mood to build this from scratch)
-Small-pored sponges (Once attached to a stick with a zip tie these things are great for any sculpting)
-1/8"- 1/4" chikenwire or suitable equivalent. (To reinforce skeleton, and provide a rough surface for hot glue and milliput)
-Thin gauge wire (To attach wire reinforcement)
-Super magnets (I will get this later in the project when I have a clearer idea of the functional aspects of the model)
-Vaseline (To make working with the fine details and handling the green stuff a lot easier)
-Stuff...

As far as I know that is what I will need to complete the project. If I am not mistaken I can finish this model in under 50$, which would be great for my current Eldar army (did he say eldar?). It is going to be fun terrorizing my Dire avengers with this monstrosity.

If anyone could help me out at this point I would really appreciate it. I don't plan on rushing this model; do not worry it will get finished this summer paint and all. Amounts of these materials, how to use them (or links therein), as well as tips on how to build the model in a way that will accommodate my dynamic magnetizing plan. I am experienced with clay and stone much more than any other sculpting materials; heck I've made bunches of "artsy" paper models. On the other hand I do not have experience with the milliput and green stuff directly, as such all advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance, this weekend is the juncture to bring this model to the sculpting stages. I will be around quite a lot to keep an eye on the thread.

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I don't know if this can really work, using sprues, that is. But I am absolutely fascinated and drawn in. The fact that everyone has extra sprues implies that astonishing scratchbuilds are within everybody's reach.

Amazing freehand drawings. Can't wait to see how the finished model looks by comparison.

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I agree with Solorg on the questionability of using sprues as a structural armiture. I have a feeling you may end up breaking the glue joints as you try to flesh it out with heavy putties.



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