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In the second of my series of polls, I'm trying to find out what the Dakka community feels about handling an opponents models. What I do is always ask an opponent if I could move a model for him to expedite the game ( Say, to save him a trip around the table), and to only ask at all if it would truly be to the benefit of both players. Some models, say a character model with intricate shading, I won't even consider touching unless specifically asked, and then usually only to view the model, not to manipulate it during a game where it might come in to contact with terrain or other models.

Perhaps I am a bit over cautious because of a bad experience, or at least a bad experience by proxy, that I had involving handling models. About ten years ago, one of the members of my then current gaming group ( who was a golden demon winner, I believe it was 1997 best vehicle, I don't really recall) had converted a nurgle daemon. He had used epoxy and paint to meticulously model drool pouring from the model's mouth. He had brought it out, but hadn't made it clear that he wanted people to touch it. One of my friends reached over, picked it up, butterfingerd it, and broke the epoxy. It was painful to watch.

I always ask to touch anyone's stuff. Even their cases of models. I don't want you touching my stuff unless I give you permission so I'd expect the same of anyone else. It doesn't matter how nice a model is, it's not yours. Ask please.

I always ask whether I can or they can move their minatures, only if I want them moved mind you...

The OC-D

Always ask. I had a guy pick up my basilisk last week without asking and it felt like he walked up and patted me on the crotch.

In a game though I feel that the only times you should touch your opponents minis is if he can't reach them and you are either handing them to him (as casualties) or he/she specifically asks you to move them. If the latter is the case then make sure that you put your measuring device on the table in such a way that he will be able to view the distances that said models are moving. This will give your opponent no reason to say that you under/over moved them.

If you are going to pick up a dread, tank, or equally massive model for someone (with their permission of course) make sure to use both hands. They may have a removable arm, turret, or whatever, that is unstable and potentially prone to gravitational forces.

You should not touch other peoples models without their permission.
In our group we after saves have been failed the controlling player often says 'give me X number of models' and that resolves the issue

This can be particularly annoying for using Lash. I've only had 1 guy be a tool about it, but in theory I move the models. That doesn't translate to I touch them automatically in my book, but it does translate into "don't be a douche and undermove your own models, or start moving them really quickly so that they're huddled in an odd way so I can't get all of them under my flamer and we can't remeasure from where they were." I really like to have the option to physically slide them if possible in this case.

I feel there should be an option between the first and second that reads "Never touch unless the owner specifically says you can", but I guess thats close enough to option 1.

I do not like touching another player's pieces unless they specifically request me to move them if they are too far away, makes it easier on them, etc.

Always, always ask if you can touch someones minitures regardless of the situation. You can ask to move them to speed up a game, or even to admire there paint work of check WYSIWYG, but if they say no then keep your mits off.

The only exception is if the minis are in danger, such as some half drunken idiot fondling them or some cackhanded idiot waving his hands around like a windmill.

barlio wrote:Always ask. I had a guy pick up my basilisk last week without asking and it felt like he walked up and patted me on the crotch.

Sometimes my wife will come over and pick up my models when she is "in the mood."
I usually freak out because the paint is still wet...

I completely agree with you: not asking to pick things up is a huge afront with a painted model, especially one that is nice enough that someone's "Ooooh neat, must touch!" impulse is firing off.

Always handle other's minis same way you handle the bible. Im serious

I move other peoples guys when I use lash. Very rarely will people willingly move there own guys in the worst possible position. so instead of spending ten minutes sayin a little left a little right. the power fist nob way in the back etc etc ect. it is easier to move them myself. Yeah I had some guys get grumpy over it. I just said whatever and kept moving them. it is part of the game if you don't like it don't play me, I will gladly take a massacre as you pack up your dolls and go cry in the corner

I wouldn't mind someone whoe uses the 'Lash' to move my models around, as long as it is done after asking and with respect.

Your'e a douche for using the 'Lash' anyway, so at least don't be a punk about handling my figs!

(mostly just teasing about the 'douche' part... but the attitudes of some players, not so much!)

Rockit wrote:I wouldn't mind someone whoe uses the 'Lash' to move my models around, as long as it is done after asking and with respect.

Your'e a douche for using the 'Lash' anyway, so at least don't be a punk about handling my figs!

(mostly just teasing about the 'douche' part... but the attitudes of some players, not so much!)

I AM NOT A DO... oh, I know, right? Ha!

Yeah, just ask me first. I will most likely be fine.

I picked the second option. I only ever touch my opponents models when I use Lash, and after I have asked. That's it. I've also touched them without permission only once. And it's that ork player who moves everything 8 inches. I took his first ork he moved and put it right back where it was and told him "Measure it right this time".

Otherwise I touch nothing unless I own it or it's on my FLGS community shelf that people can display things on if they are trying to sell them and such. In the past I've had people touch and break my things, and I just hope that people will follow my example.

LunaHound wrote:
Always handle other's minis same way you handle the bible. Im serious

What? Like the one holding up my couch? It's only a KJ, btw.

I don't touch another player's models without asking and ask the same courtesy in return.

Always ask. I like looking at people's paint jobs at tourny's so i'll lean over for a closer look but never touch without their permission.
And yeah, I really don't like people who move mine without asking.

Ive had one to many bad experiences with my own models being damaged....Including my was to be Golden Demon entry ( Converted Chaos Dreadnaught) that had an unfortunate meeting with the floor due to a ham fisted "ohh looky, whoops ive dropped it, those spiky bits weren't important were they, well i guess accidents happen hey"..to touch another persons figures.

I will under duress if the opponent asks and never if it's a heavily converted figure or large vehicle....most people are ok with this once i explain my reasons.

You don't touch my models, I don't break your nose.
Win/win...

But seriously, in a game situation I can see where it would be useful to move the other player's models.
Other than that, i.e. just picking them up to fondle them or look at them, I stand by my original remark.

Effects like Lash are slightly different...

Still wouldnt touch a guy's model if its particularly good paintwork, or looks delicate.
Run of the mill, pretty much look dont touch, barring guardsmen/boyz/cheap nids/grots that some people (including me) keep in buckets.

Also, if you lash and move my models without asking ("i'm using lash on these models here, K?" would be fine by me, and i'll point out any models that need care) expect me to be annoyed. And if you break anything...

Everything boils down to being courteous. We all put down some good $$$ getting into this hobby not to have it mucked up by some overzealous person. Unfortunately most of the "unwanted model touching" I've seen is at the GW store itself when two people are playing a game and some random kid whose parents finally allowed into the store goes "oooh look at the pretty toys" and grabs a few. Usually that's followed by the gamers saying "put that down" and the parents getting a funny look and escorting junior out of the place. That look is priceless!

I ALWAYS ask before touching someone elses model.
99.9% of the time they say yes, and i take full responsibility for anything that happens.

If someone else touches my models without asking I cringe, glare, and wish bad things on that person.

If they ask, then I am completely fine with someone handling any of my models. Even if they break my model- If they asked to touch it before hand I dont care. When someone asks before hand it shows that they understand the effort put into the models, and the guilt from breaking a model is bad enough that i dont need to be a jerk when some glue and paint will fix most problems.

But if the person did not ask, and they broke the model then I get very very very angry.

If someone is using lash, thats fine if you want to move my models, ask first. If you dont ask then I will most likely never play against you again, and will speak badly about you.

skkipper wrote:I move other peoples guys when I use lash. Very rarely will people willingly move there own guys in the worst possible position. so instead of spending ten minutes sayin a little left a little right. the power fist nob way in the back etc etc ect. it is easier to move them myself. Yeah I had some guys get grumpy over it. I just said whatever and kept moving them. it is part of the game if you don't like it don't play me, I will gladly take a massacre as you pack up your dolls and go cry in the corner

You wouldn't get a grumpy from me. Only a dad could yell at you the same way I would yell at you.

EDIT: Having said that I agree I can't recollect having a problem with my opponent. It was always some sidelines jerk.

If touching another mans dice is equivalent to fondling his balls, touching his models is equivalent to taking a zucchini and ramming past his anal sphincter.

You never, EVER touch your opponents models unless he says you may. Even then, only ever touch them if you absolutely have to, such as if they are on the far side from him and he needs to remove casualties.

The homoerotic possessiveness many people have over their models is a bit disturbing.

Yes, one should never touch another persons models, but let's tone down the outrage a hair, eh? Of course, my stuff is all painted and built for play, and nearly all of it has been dropped at least once....

Things are also a bit difference with club members or friends. There's a bit more of an implied consent.

Some douche picked up my looted Basilisk and broke it. He responded with a "hurp durp now it's orkier lol!"

Anyways, I'll move my friends' models sometimes. I'm more careful about picking up models that belong to people I don't know. It's just like handling any other belongings that aren't yours, really.

Somewhat off-topic, but what is your guy's thoughts on touching somebody elses minis with dice? We have a local village-idiot who deems it necessary to drop his dice from 1'+ from the table top. This generally equals several minis being knocked over. I called him on it and he just looked at me like I shot his puppy.

I don't see ANY reason to touch another person's models. Not that I really mind when mine are touched, but unless I'm friends with someone I will let them pile in and subtract casualties and such.
A kid broke my chaos lord while I was playing his big brother. That pissed me off. Not at the kid, who was too young to understand that my chaos lord was fragile, but at the idiot who brought him.

Nothing is worse than the people who just walk around and handle other peoples' models. They drive me insane. I'm really surprised that nothing of mine has been stolen yet. That's why I keep casualties under the table on the shelf now, rather than just on the next table over.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:This can be particularly annoying for using Lash. I've only had 1 guy be a tool about it, but in theory I move the models. That doesn't translate to I touch them automatically in my book, but it does translate into "don't be a douche and undermove your own models, or start moving them really quickly so that they're huddled in an odd way so I can't get all of them under my flamer and we can't remeasure from where they were." I really like to have the option to physically slide them if possible in this case.

You can theorize all you want, but you're not touching my models, and I don't see how me refusing is "being a douche" about it at all.

If you want to be a douche about it you can just find a new opponent, kay?

Lol, yes you can move the models. Where in the rules say you get to touch them? Nowhere. If your opponent does not want you touching his property, you have to live with telling your opponent where to move them, or touch them anyway and have the cops called on you for attempted theft and being detained via Citizens Arrest (Happened once in my store, it was hilarious to see a 15 year old douche burst into tears because he was going into the paddywagon for "trying to steal my models")