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2018/09/23 16:38:33
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Just to chip in. Our local ASA player doesent really care about them getting discontinued.
Nobody over here gives a fuss about it and nobody really cared about what happened to MRRF either. Not even our MRRF player once the new profiles dropped.
If you play ASA just get what you need, if not and want to start it in the future, buy whatever you want. Just get the new Druze and use them as Bagh-mari and now you almost have two armies in one. ASA and DBS.
Hopefully ASA will get some needed improvements out of this as they are a bit lacking at the moment with subpar link options thanks to the high SWC cost of everything and pointless characters. Used to play them some years ago and i found them lacking compared to other sectorials, Thing improved with the introduction of som ALEPH units, especially the FO Naga but the core of the sectorial was still a bit lacking. And that 0,5swc tax on the Regular FO bugged the gak out of me. Never understood why it was there in ASA other than to spite you.
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2018/09/23 17:28:11
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Mimetic Bagh-Mari
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Poor Corvus...
Dealing w the salty...
Its a Cool Very Small gaming company
I like to support them and will continue to...
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2018/09/23 17:40:03
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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Correct
Kanluwen wrote:
FRRM are getting permashelved. Now Shock Army is getting the same treatment.
If you do not have some insider knowledge I am not aware of, both statements are false.
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2018/09/23 17:40:10
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Bubbalicious wrote:
Hopefully ASA will get some needed improvements out of this as they are a bit lacking at the moment with subpar link options thanks to the high SWC cost of everything and pointless characters. Used to play them some years ago and i found them lacking compared to other sectorials, Thing improved with the introduction of som ALEPH units, especially the FO Naga but the core of the sectorial was still a bit lacking. And that 0,5swc tax on the Regular FO bugged the gak out of me. Never understood why it was there in ASA other than to spite you.
The FO Naga wasn't "introduced" to the Sectorial. Nagas have always been in Shock Army since the original Human Sphere. It wasn't until the Naga got a FO profile that Shock Army would have gotten access to them.
The .5 SWC tax seems to have been a holdout from the Fusilier "specialist" tax of old.
Automatically Appended Next Post: PsychoticStorm wrote:
Correct
Kanluwen wrote:
FRRM are getting permashelved. Now Shock Army is getting the same treatment.
If you do not have some insider knowledge I am not aware of, both statements are false.
Until we have actual knowledge of them being actively worked on, it's just as true as you saying that they're going to get redone down the line.
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2018/09/23 18:09:44
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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[DCM]
Longtime Dakkanaut
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Here's the blog post on MRRF:
https://www.infinitythegame.com/blog/news/item/514-the-most-epic-battle-of-merovingia
The Merovingian army is preparing for its most decisive and epic battle to date, and this will mark a turning point in the Human Sphere – their final stand. This heroic confrontation will truncate dark plans that were directly aimed at undermining humanity’s supremacy from within the sphere.
As were the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae, the brave soldiers of Merovingia will be remembered as heroes for their sacrifice.
Merovingia is leaving the Infinity catalog indefinitely. As with humanity among the stars, their future is also uncertain.
Carlos stated at one of his live presnetations that MRRF were all killed in the BoW even this year. The last line I posted goes out of it's way to make sure people know they may never come back.
Until we see an official on ASA we don't know what CB's plans for them are.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Kanluwen wrote:
As a note, we don't know whether or not this is lists that actually get taken in ITS events or just lists saved in Army. They have that information. This is a thing that they've admitted to having in the past and claimed that it drives their decisions as to what profiles actually see models.
I'm pretty sure I've seen comments on the past that these were what was registered for an ITS event and not just what was made in army. I know they have both sets of data (army and ITS) as we've seen the list of figures people take in the presentation Carlos did around Uprising that showed popularity of figures in YJ as well as sometimes they show off the most popular figures in the whole game. I've assumed that data is from Army but I haven't found anything to confirm but I really kind of lazy looked as I'm not sure how important that is to the current discussion.
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2018/09/23 18:46:17
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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Last years Interplanetario winner took MRRF to interplanetaro and scored quite well this year, so I would say yes, they are not only tournament legal, they are also not bad.
MRRF are were the first sectorial to be removed from rotation and the age of their sculpts was not the only reason this happened, in any case they are not "permanently shelved", but their time has not come yet.
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2018/09/23 19:10:40
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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PsychoticStorm wrote:Last years Interplanetario winner took MRRF to interplanetaro and scored quite well this year, so I would say yes, they are not only tournament legal, they are also not bad.
I hold no stock in Interplanetario results. Tournaments are tournaments. Lists tend to be the same basic thing with that, and any list that is outside the norm will tend to do well.
MRRF are were the first sectorial to be removed from rotation and the age of their sculpts was not the only reason this happened, in any case they are not "permanently shelved", but their time has not come yet.
Merovingia is leaving the Infinity catalog indefinitely. As with humanity among the stars, their future is also uncertain.
Assuming their time ever comes...
FRRM was the first removed from rotation and the age of their sculpts was the result of them saying they were pulling the force from Human Sphere alongside of the Shasvastii to receive a dramatic overhaul of how the force played. You can try to spin this however you want, but it's right there in the quote from Bostria that they're put on indefinite hold with their future being uncertain.
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2018/09/23 19:29:52
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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Indefinitely, not forever, I am not sure if it is a language barrier here and something to look for in the future.
Also the article is not from Bostria.
Indeed MRRF has aged sculpts but this is a side effect.
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2018/09/23 20:06:30
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:Bubbalicious wrote:
Hopefully ASA will get some needed improvements out of this as they are a bit lacking at the moment with subpar link options thanks to the high SWC cost of everything and pointless characters. Used to play them some years ago and i found them lacking compared to other sectorials, Thing improved with the introduction of som ALEPH units, especially the FO Naga but the core of the sectorial was still a bit lacking. And that 0,5swc tax on the Regular FO bugged the gak out of me. Never understood why it was there in ASA other than to spite you.
The FO Naga wasn't "introduced" to the Sectorial. Nagas have always been in Shock Army since the original Human Sphere. It wasn't until the Naga got a FO profile that Shock Army would have gotten access to them.
The .5 SWC tax seems to have been a holdout from the Fusilier "specialist" tax of old.
If it was introduced or not is dependent on who your asking. Iv been playing Infinity since the release of Human Sphere N2, around 9 years now so il stick with my statement that it was introduced since the profile didn't exist when i started playing. And ALEPH has been my main faction since then so i know were it came from.
the .5 tax was there pre N3 so you wouldn't just take the Regular over the Fusilier in vanilla because of the +1wip it had. The 0.5 tax shouldn't be in the sectorial especially back in the day when the only FO option ASA had that didn't come with a SWC tax was the Pathfinder. But it came with an indirect tax that was worse because you had to pay the points and SWC for an assault hacker and they were less than useless.
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2018/09/23 20:07:51
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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[DCM]
Longtime Dakkanaut
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more from the same article.
Moving forward, all of the Merovingian models and profiles will be available and legal in the official game and will be available in Infinity Army to use in all official events. This also allows us to consider relaunching the sectorial in the future, should the situation call for it.
CB left the profiles in so people could still play and if they ever decide to relaunch the sectorial if they decide they want too. They stated 3 times that it's going away and could come back sometime in the future but there's no guarantee. I don't see how that could be a miss translation or a language issue.
Kan's argument is until they announce they're coming back we should assume the army in question is dead. Psychotic's argument is they'd say the army is dead if they meant it to be dead.
Psychotic is correct as never is a long time but realistically Kan is as CB has so many things on their plate and places they want to take a game I'm not sure I'd expect MRRF back in the N3 timeframe which is why CB is also not saying they'll be back.
That could be another 5 years for the faction to return and that's a long time for a wargame that's not 40k so who knows what Infinity would be like or if any of the people that are currently wanting the factions to be reworked will still be around so they might as well be considered dead.
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2018/09/28 00:52:15
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Mimetic Bagh-Mari
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R.I.P. Merovingian and Acontecimento fighting the endless waves of Caskuda on the newly found planet Whogivesa...
We've seen this before with other companies
I'd rather never see either of those forces again vs. The smaller company Corvus Belli suffer financially...
Some people just want something to cry about...
Gonna start a new thread Operation: Caskuda drop where we can continue to discuss how incredibly important Merovingian is to the infinity world and to wargames as a Whole... I hope to see you there
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2018/09/28 01:54:38
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ironically the most whining is coming from those complaining about the people discussing legitimate concerns about how faction removals can effect the game.
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The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space. |
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2018/09/28 07:31:18
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I do remember last time Mero were mentioned was how they were being redone and how awesome they would be, totally diffrent playstyle etc...fast forward, now they are shelved. Though in 10 years, who knows, we might see them again, in N4.5 or 5...
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2018/09/28 10:34:03
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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MRRF is a case of design not clicking, it can happen unfortunately.
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2018/09/28 11:17:55
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Wrong, it's because they gave the design cues that FRRM had to TAK.
We're seeing it with Varuna right now as well.
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2018/09/28 12:20:02
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Yu Jing Martial Arts Ninja
NJ
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Kanluwen wrote:
Wrong, it's because they gave the design cues that FRRM had to TAK.
We're seeing it with Varuna right now as well.
Design cues MRRF = TAK?
Nah, I don't see that. Their entire look is different. They don't have a similar play style. Tartary was always there in fluff & had an identity from the beginning.
If anything, TAK came out too similar to USARF.
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2018/09/28 12:35:20
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Bladerunner2019 wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Wrong, it's because they gave the design cues that FRRM had to TAK.
We're seeing it with Varuna right now as well.
Design cues MRRF = TAK?
Nah, I don't see that. Their entire look is different. They don't have a similar play style. Tartary was always there in fluff & had an identity from the beginning.
TAK at launch did not have anything remotely similar to FRRM's playstyle. Streloks, Spetsnaz, Frontoviks that all are really stepping on the toes of the FRRM's now defunct camo heavy vibe.
If anything, TAK came out too similar to USARF.
...not really?
The only things "similar" are the addition of the Ratniks and Bikes. That's not to say that TAK isn't arguably better than USARF(the addition of visual mods and skills like Duo on Ratniks, Ambush Camo, etc makes a huge difference) but saying the two are similar is a bit missing the mark.
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2018/09/28 12:47:44
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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Both assumptions are wrong, but showcase why MRRF needs to go to the back-burner and needs time to be properly redesigned.
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2018/09/28 13:05:06
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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PsychoticStorm wrote:Both assumptions are wrong, but showcase why MRRF needs to go to the back-burner and needs time to be properly redesigned.
There's no "assumptions". One can look at the army lists and see.
FRRM was built around visual mods, marker statuses, and mid-long range gunfighting.
TAK's initial roster of items(Veteran Kazaks, Tankhunters, Scouts, Antipode Packs, Dog Warriors, Line Kazaks, and Kazak Doctors) had vis mods with some marker stats but the emphasis was more on brute force at shorter ranges.
USARF took the brute force at short-mid range slot, with an emphasis on ARM values over vis mods.
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2018/09/28 13:43:40
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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They are assumptions because none of you have any insider info on the design process, all I can say is both sectorials mentioned did not cannibalise MRRF.
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2018/09/28 13:45:36
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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PsychoticStorm wrote:They are assumptions because none of you have any insider info on the design process, all I can say is both sectorials mentioned did not cannibalise MRRF.
He didn't say that USARF cannibalized FRRM. He said that TAK cannibalized USARF more than FRRM.
And I can tell you that whatever "insider info" you might have doesn't change the fact that anyone who can read profiles should be VERY aware of the fact that TAK did in fact cannibalize FRRM.
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2018/09/28 13:48:12
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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Sure ok.... if you say so... it must be so.
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2018/09/28 14:50:35
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Down Under
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Any chance we can take the Kan/Psycho show about the various design elements on MRRF vs TAK on the road to somewhere else and keep this thread for the news?
I keep getting excited for something new being posted and end up being sad.
Much appreciated.
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Glory is fleeting. Obscurity is forever.
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2018/09/28 15:11:55
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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If there's news, you'll see it in the renders thread I've got going down in the Infinity section as well as here.
Right now the only news is that the September releases(Hollow Men, Joan of Arc, Rasyat, Spetsnaz repack, Cube Jaeger) are "available" per CB.
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2018/09/28 22:55:05
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Multispectral Nisse
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Does anyone have an inkling what the cost of the MO 300 might be? I've just realised that I'm yet to buy the Hospitallers, Crusader and Joan (only wanted that one to go on a plinth for terrain).
Bits of the OS and BF could be useful for converting if they aren't significantly adding to the cost.
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“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.” |
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2018/09/29 01:10:00
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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[DCM]
Longtime Dakkanaut
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Riquende wrote:Does anyone have an inkling what the cost of the MO 300 might be? I've just realised that I'm yet to buy the Hospitallers, Crusader and Joan (only wanted that one to go on a plinth for terrain).
Bits of the OS and BF could be useful for converting if they aren't significantly adding to the cost.
Equivalent packs on CB's site are 90 Euros. I don't think I've ever paid more then 70 USD for one of the existing ones. So you can look up what the JSA pack, USAridna or Corregidor is in the UK and that should be the rough price of MO when it comes out.
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2018/09/29 01:36:59
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Riquende wrote:Does anyone have an inkling what the cost of the MO 300 might be? I've just realised that I'm yet to buy the Hospitallers, Crusader and Joan (only wanted that one to go on a plinth for terrain).
Bits of the OS and BF could be useful for converting if they aren't significantly adding to the cost.
$95.99MSRP; $76.79 discounted from a LGS.
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2018/09/29 07:17:37
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Multispectral Nisse
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I didn't realise it was so close and some stores here actually have it on preorder already, I could have just checked there...
In the UK at least the box essentially amounts to getting the Black Friar free. Automatically Appended Next Post: Rumours swirling today about some of the Varuna hotness incoming:
An oddity, Kamau primarily won't operate in their own link but use Wilcard to reinforce other links with additional mimetic firepower.
Also making use of Wildcard is the ORC character.
ORCs and Fusiliers will apparently operate in mixed links, not sure on the ratios, could mix freely.
Varuna will be using the NCA Squalo TAG, possibly with an alternative loadout. They will be able to FTuo (I think there might be a non- HMG variant to drop the price, but the implication is that you have a Kamau tag along with them).
Language used for the Helots is 'militia with rear-guard support role'.
Echo Bravo and Zulu Cobra both called out as forward troops with high-tech weaponry but no further detail.
And lastly but definitely not least, Knights of Montesa have motorbikes now. I'd assume they are losing Mech Deploy...
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“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.” |
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2018/09/29 13:25:42
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Knights on bikes sounds amazing! I hope they get a lance-looking Fuerbach.
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2018/09/29 13:39:18
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Knights on bikes are stupid and should be treated as such. This is supposed to be the frigging elite counterterrorism group and it's getting a Knight on Bike shoved in. Not to mention that it's smacking of an attempt to reuse assets and unreleased items now. Montesa Knights have never been mentioned with Varuna and they've never been mentioned to have anything to do with bikes or other nonsense. There's a whole Equestrian Order which would have fit better.
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