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Voss wrote:
Hmm. Standard array of guard weapons. Melta, plasma, flamer, grenade launcher and what I think is a sniper rifle (scoped, second from the bottom on the second sprue) and bolter, plasma & bolt pistol and powersword or chainsword for the sergeant.

What's probably a vox (2nd backpack on the first sprue) and then extra CC stuff because chaos.

I'm wondering how compatible all this is with other kits, including krieg, cadians and the chaos cultists.

Yup: "standard array of Traitor Guard weapons". Oh yeah, R&H are coming back.
   
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God i hope they're troops. That way I can just use my CSM as chosen.
   
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I’d really like if the CSM book had an option of Elite Traitor Guard and for Troops traitor guard (kind of like the Corsairs in the Eldar book). It would be nice to be able to run a proper “Lost and the Damned” army again.

More on topic, those spruces look tasty- I have a feeling these guys will become my main Kill Team.

 
   
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Ragweek wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm starting to think these Traitor Guardsmen might have been what The Leak List had as a "new Cadian kit".

Nah. Remember, the leaker listed both Traitor Guardsmen and the New Cadians separately. Settle down Kan.

But whoah! That's a lot of options. You're definitely going to be able to find some heads that you want to use.



To be perfectly honest I think most of the main regiments could get just a kit like this and then it would be job done. Especially with like 40 heads and other spares in the set would make conversions of other kits really easy

The Krieg kit is very similar, just with more fiddly bits (esp the tiny bayonets) in place of the close combat weapons. Not quite as many spare heads, though (probably due to the backpacks). The KT kits are bringing a fair bit of options. I doubt the cultist kit will be quite so robust... it may be what's feared: just pistols and ccw weapons, no rifles or special weapons.

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I'm surprised the sniper and vox caster are part of the "main" sprue and not the kill team upgrades. But the guy lugging a bunch of grenades is on the KT sprue.

With all the extra heads on the KT sprue, I wish they had given the doctor another arm. The syringe hand is great, but the reaching hand isn't. It's not even wearing a glove. If the cleaver hand was right handed, it would have made a nice replacement
   
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If you leave off the trophy rack spike back things, there doesn’t seem to be any chaos specific markings on the traitor guard. They look like they could be used as regular guard that have been in the field longer or are from a more feral world or even recruited from hive gangs. Hopefully we will see heavy weapon teams for these and the Krieg. Officers/command would be nice but could probably be made from the basic sprue.
   
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They should stop wasting money making upgrade sprue with the same boring weapons, this time it's the SM, at least throw in something wild like the Nachmund CSM upgrade sprue

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Nice. I like the models and the sprues look good, great to see the number of options.
   
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Hmmm. I could get the new set from Element, using up all my Crystals for £92.50.

Which is pretty much worth it for the terrain alone, as I can’t find a better price online.

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Either/Or wrote:
If you leave off the trophy rack spike back things, there doesn’t seem to be any chaos specific markings on the traitor guard. They look like they could be used as regular guard that have been in the field longer or are from a more feral world or even recruited from hive gangs. Hopefully we will see heavy weapon teams for these and the Krieg. Officers/command would be nice but could probably be made from the basic sprue.


There are some Eight Pointed Stars molded onto torsos and hanging off guns.
The guns are easy to clean up, the torsos are possible but harder.
I think the worst one would be the big shield but also the easiest to justify as battle damage/

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A bit surprised at lack of pistol/ccw.

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm starting to think these Traitor Guardsmen might have been what The Leak List had as a "new Cadian kit".

Nah. Remember, the leaker listed both Traitor Guardsmen and the New Cadians separately. Settle down Kan.

But whoah! That's a lot of options. You're definitely going to be able to find some heads that you want to use.

And imagine mixing this with the new cultists sprues

THAT is fun incarnated
   
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What new cultist sprues?

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
What new cultist sprues?

This ones
   
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Wow where did those cultist come from?
I totally missed them
   
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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Wow where did those cultist come from?
I totally missed them


The preview that had all the rest of the cultists and new CSM

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/revealed-heretic-astartes-revel-in-the-blessings-of-the-chaos-gods/

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Thanks wha!
   
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Wow. Only $210 for all that AND it includes the core rules, templates, tokens and cards???

Much better than Octarius starter!

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 privateer4hire wrote:
Wow. Only $210 for all that AND it includes the core rules, templates, tokens and cards???

Much better than Octarius starter!
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No core rules, no dices/templates, no tokens/cards.
   
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It's a campaign box, like Nachmund and Chalnath, so does not include rules/templates/tokens/cards etc.

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Ordered 2x boxes. Terrain is a win, I could do with the incursors for my army, and the bit will just be a bonus to make them a bit more unique. The second phobos kill team can go into my 10 year old nephews BT army that I build and paint for him, and finally the traitor guard will all get used by me one way or another.

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Yeah. I was just kidding.

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Quick question.
Is it possible to get the rules for the new kill teams without buying the relevant campaign book?
I'm trying to calculate the cost difference between the box and the components separately tly.
   
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Not without resorting to means that are banned from discussion here, as far as I know.
They don’t have digital editions or anything, nor is there a kill team app, though it seems like an obvious gap in the market.

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Man 210 sucks but it’s pretty standard i guess.
Easily 100 for terrain and then 50 for each team

Just sucks they don’t throw a bone and discount it as a bundle
   
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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Man 210 sucks but it’s pretty standard i guess.
Easily 100 for terrain and then 50 for each team

Just sucks they don’t throw a bone and discount it as a bundle


It does represent a decent discount over the standalone cost.

+ The MSRP of the terrain alone is $220 USD.
+ The Incursors are $60.
+ The Traitor command price is still TBD, but likely between $38-$55.
+ The Chaos Guard price is also TBD, but will likely be somewhere in the $50-$60

It's odd how close it is to the terrain bundle for this line. You basically trade in one $80 bundle of walls and fences for $160 in figures, for $10 less.
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 flaherty wrote:
It does represent a decent discount over the standalone cost.

+ The MSRP of the terrain alone is $220 USD.
+ The Incursors are $60.
+ The Traitor command price is still TBD, but likely between $38-$55.
+ The Chaos Guard price is also TBD, but will likely be somewhere in the $50-$60

It's odd how close it is to the terrain bundle for this line. You basically trade in one $80 bundle of walls and fences for $160 in figures, for $10 less.


I suspect the whole point of the completely flying rodent gak insane priced Warzone Fronteris box was to make this marginally less insane Kill Team box look like a good deal in comparison. Kinda like raising prices just before Black Friday so you can put a bigger fake discount on stuff.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 flaherty wrote:
It does represent a decent discount over the standalone cost.

+ The MSRP of the terrain alone is $220 USD.
+ The Incursors are $60.
+ The Traitor command price is still TBD, but likely between $38-$55.
+ The Chaos Guard price is also TBD, but will likely be somewhere in the $50-$60

It's odd how close it is to the terrain bundle for this line. You basically trade in one $80 bundle of walls and fences for $160 in figures, for $10 less.


I suspect the whole point of the completely flying rodent gak insane priced Warzone Fronteris box was to make this marginally less insane Kill Team box look like a good deal in comparison. Kinda like raising prices just before Black Friday so you can put a bigger fake discount on stuff.


No, the whole pricing scheme isn't even vaguely that coherent.
Consider this and the Ash Wastes box, their various component breakdowns (anyone really think the minimal Ash Wastes terrain is worth $240?) and the $299 HH box coming next month (which is 40 marines, 10 terminators, a big tank and a dread. Oh, and rules and whatever).

Somehow they vastly over-value terrain in individual, but have no problem selling it for far, far less in a combo box. (As in seriously less than half the price in this case). I'd vaguely grasp a hint of a plan if they burned through the boxes before they repriced it inidividually (although that would be crappy behavior), but they sold the big Fronteris box (which was a decent deal compared to individual pricing) and the individual terrain simultaneously and now undercut the value of the terrain again by repackaging it with 'early access' to models. This looks like there is no plan, like KT has an entirely separate marketing team that didn't coordinate with whoever set the prices the first time.

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Dang, thanks for the breakdown flaherty.
   
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I certainly wouldn't have picked Fronteris big box if I had guessed that the scenery was going to be included in Kill Team this soon. As I don't want any more Fronteris terrain, looks like I am skipping this one and invest funds into Horus Heresy or pick Kill Team Chalnath from FLGS bargain bin instead.

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