Dark Angels Company Veterans Errata

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**Ozymandias**

Hadn't noticed this until a fellow DA player pointed it out to me. It's kinda cool as it let's our DA veterans compete with Sternguard.

From the DA FAQ:

Page 83. Veteran Squad, Options.
The second, third and fourth bullet point should
be changed to:
‘Any model may […].’

So the second bullet changes from of up to 3 models can take storm-bolters, combi-weapons, power weapons, plasma pistols, power fists, lightning claws (single or pair), and T-hammers, ANY model can take the wargear.

YAY! DA get their own version of Drop-podding Sternguard! We don't get the fancy ammo but we can take cc weapons in addition (for a very expensive unit).

**Gwar!**

Why are you using the Dark Angels Codex.....

**Dracos**

Yea, that would be almost as silly as running Space wolves!

**Gwar!**

Dracos wrote:Yea, that would be almost as silly as running Space wolves!

Space Wolves are 60% 5th edition. Dark Angels are 100% Epic Fail.

**Flashman**

Sigh... all DA would need is a 2nd Ed reprint changing the odd statline (Azrael WS6 at the very least), throwing in some extra wargear, changing transport capacities etc

But can GW be arsed? No, because that would mean admitting the DA is now a duff codex.

**Ozymandias**

Gwar! wrote:Why are you using the Dark Angels Codex.....

Stubbornness I guess. Hey man, we still have a few tricks up our sleeves including:

1) Sammael in his AV14 Speeder
2) DW as Troops
3) 5 man combat squads with special weapons
4) Better smoke (pop smoke and get in cover for beastly rhino rushes)
5) Cheap Ven Dreads
6) Better stats on Chaplains/Librarians
7) WS/BS4 Scouts
8) Fearless Troop choices
9) DW/RW synergy
10) Did i mention DW as Troops?

**Gwar!**

So you are playing Pure DW or Pure RW or Doublewing right?

If so why you looking at veterans? If you ain't playing DW/RW you should be using the Nilla Codex

**Ozymandias**

I play lots of flavors of DA, including pure DW, pure RW, and on occasion Doublewing. When the Space Marine codex came out, I made a few Green Marine armies before I said feth it and went back to the DA codex. I've done well, took second at our last tournament to a Speed Freaks Ork force by 22 vp's (tied on objectives). Generally I win a lot more than I lose so I really don't see a reason to switch to the UM Codex. My current tournament army is DW so even there I'm covered.

I can't use the nilla codex to do a Razorback rush as well as I can with the DA codex. Now that Company Vets are better, I may include them in my Mech force. 6 jumping out with combimeltas or combiplasmas can really ruin Mech/Nidzilla armies.

**Grunt_For_Christ**

Flashman wrote:Sigh... all DA would need is a 2nd Ed reprint changing the odd statline (Azrael WS6 at the very least), throwing in some extra wargear, changing transport capacities etc

But can GW be arsed? No, because that would mean admitting the DA is now a duff codex.

That sounds perfectly reasonable... Would it be so hard to do a blood angels .pdf and put it up on the site?

**Gwar!**

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:That sounds perfectly reasonable...

Therefore GW will never do it.

**Lordhat**

TFG ALERT! :p

Gwar! wrote:Why are you using the Dark Angels Codex.....

Probably for the same reasons I insist of fielding my LC/SS Vanguards: Because I think they're f'n cool, and I don't play in tournaments anymore. Not that I wouldn't play in a tournament, but I live too far away; Costs twice as much in gas as entry fees. Besides I can't 'be arsed' to finish painting my army. Even if I did enter a tournament I'd probably field Vanguards.

**Gwar!**

Lordhat wrote:TFG ALERT! :p

I'm a Space Puppy, I'm obviously bias against the Dress Wearing Emo Cheaters

**Lordhat**

That's just wrong! If all the DA's disappeared, where would the Puppies get their chew toys? Every time you see a DA with a robe with a frayed hem, you know he just kicked a puppy.

**Ozymandias**

Gwar! wrote:
Lordhat wrote:TFG ALERT! :p
I'm a Space Puppy, I'm obviously bias against the Dress Wearing Emo Cheaters

Ah it's all clear now. Well, you throw the first punch, bad things happen to you.

**Gwar!**

Ozymandias wrote:
Gwar! wrote:
Lordhat wrote:TFG ALERT! :p
I'm a Space Puppy, I'm obviously bias against the Dress Wearing Emo Cheaters

Ah it's all clear now. Well, you throw the first punch, bad things happen to you.

Only because you cheated in the first place.

**Ozymandias**

Sour Grapes.

**Grunt_For_Christ**

Gwar! wrote:
Grunt_For_Christ wrote:That sounds perfectly reasonable...
Therefore GW will never do it.

burn them all. Puppies, green men, little green men, and the entire management staff of games development.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Lordhat wrote:TFG ALERT! :p

For the record, Gwar IS TGF. It's his purpose. Much like Socrates' Gadfly.

**Lordhat**

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:

For the record, Gwar IS TGF. It's his purpose. Much like Socrates' Gadfly.

I know, I just like to mention when he's doin it right. Like a pat on the back.

**Gwar!**

"Gadfly" is a term for people who upset the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or just being an irritant.

The term "gadfly" (Ancient Greek: μυο̃ψ, myops) was used by Plato in the Apology to describe Socrates' relationship of uncomfortable goad to the Athenian political scene, which he compared to a slow and dimwitted horse. The Bible also references the gadfly in terms of political influence; The Book of Jeremiah (46:20, Darby Bible) states "Egypt is a very fair heifer; the gad-fly cometh, it cometh from the north." The term has been used to describe many politicians and social commentators.

During his defense when on trial for his life, Socrates, according to Plato's writings, pointed out that dissent, like the tiny (relative to the size of a horse) gadfly, was easy to swat, but the cost to society of silencing individuals who were irritating could be very high. "If you kill a man like me, you will injure yourselves more than you will injure me," because his role was that of a gadfly, "to sting people and whip them into a fury, all in the service of truth."

In modern and local politics, gadfly is a term used to describe someone who persistently challenges people in positions of power, the status quo or a popular position. The word may be uttered in a pejorative sense, while at the same time be accepted as a description of honourable work or civic duty.

One might construe that as a personal attack!

I kid I kid... or do I!

Although I suppose I do have an honourable role here. I challenge people to back up their arguments rather than go "lalalala I am right!"

**Nurglitch**

My version of Ozy's list:

1) Sammael/Azrael/Belial/Ezekiel
2) Fearless Terminators as Troops, with Deathwing Assault
3) All Terminator units can take Land Raiders
4) Terminators can mix and match Assault Terminator and Terminator weapons
5) Fearless Bikers as Troops, all with Teleport Homers, Scout
6) Sacred Standards give 12" Fearless bubble
7) Fearless Command Squads
8) All Characters are Fearless
9) 5 man Tactical combat squads with special weapons
10) Better smoke
11) Cheaper Venerable Dreadnoughts
12) Harder Chaplains (Litany of Hatred > Litanies of Battle)
13) Harder Librarians with longer ranged Psychic Hoods
14) WS4, BS4 Scouts
15) Full Length Ballgowns

**MrTrain**

Not to mention that we get sick Librarian powers. And doesn't Belial's flag upgrade grant an extra attack as well as fearless?

**Gandair**

Gwar! wrote:Dress Wearing Emo Cheaters

I laughed for a few minutes after reading this.

Also are DA/BA/SW such bad armies? A friend of mine is looking to start DA and I'm just wondering where all these views come from. In my experience any codex can beat any other codex.

What are DA's issues?

**Jon Garrett**

The main issue is the stuff tends to be a bit more expensive than Vanilla Marines and we don't have access to some of the fun new toys such as the super powered Storm Shields, Ironclad Dreadnaughts and the Redeemer or the superior Land Raider Machine Spirit. Essentially if you want to win then you need to use either Deathwing (Terminators as Troop Choices) Ravenwing (Bikers as trooo choices) or a combibnation thereof, because if you take mostly basic marines a Vanilla codex will end you.

**Food Store Hero**

I dunno, I use the DA Codex for my DA sub-chapter simply because I'd feel kind of wrong using the Vanilla Codex for a DA based sub-chapter army? Is.. that rediculous and am I living some sad moral lie or are others kind of close to like me? In all seriousness also, not trying to be a smart-

. If the trend is that way, I'll maybe end up getting the Vanilla Book but, I dunno. Like I said, feel kinda dirty that way.

**Gwar!**

Food Store Hero wrote:I dunno, I use the DA Codex for my DA sub-chapter simply because I'd feel kind of wrong using the Vanilla Codex for a DA based sub-chapter army? Is.. that rediculous and am I living some sad moral lie or are others kind of close to like me? In all seriousness also, not trying to be a smart- . If the trend is that way, I'll maybe end up getting the Vanilla Book but, I dunno. Like I said, feel kinda dirty that way.

You will feel less dirty than Wolves players. Many I know have been tempted to do so, and back in 4th with "SPESS WHOLVES LITE" available many did. Now most I know are begrudgingly sticking to Codex: SPESS PUPPEHS, if only to make the new shiny codex that is gonna be so much better than yours seem even better (Than yours

).

Did I mention the New Codex: Space Wolves will be Better than Codex: Dark Angels?

**EzeKK**

Gwar! wrote:
Food Store Hero wrote:I dunno, I use the DA Codex for my DA sub-chapter simply because I'd feel kind of wrong using the Vanilla Codex for a DA based sub-chapter army? Is.. that rediculous and am I living some sad moral lie or are others kind of close to like me? In all seriousness also, not trying to be a smart- . If the trend is that way, I'll maybe end up getting the Vanilla Book but, I dunno. Like I said, feel kinda dirty that way.
You will feel less dirty than Wolves players. Many I know have been tempted to do so, and back in 4th with "SPESS WHOLVES LITE" available many did. Now most I know are begrudgingly sticking to Codex: SPESS PUPPEHS, if only to make the new shiny codex that is gonna be so much better than yours seem even better (Than yours ).

Did I mention the New Codex: Space Wolves will be Better than Codex: Dark Angels?

If they had Puppypaw (aka Spessh Pups Deathwing) I would play that.