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So i got bored and since theres some big Apocalypse battles happening at my local GW next month and theres a chance ill already have my FW Chaos dragon... i decided to make rules... Think they is fair? c&c please

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
8 3 D 8 8 1 2D6 10 4+

Options:
The Chaos Dragon may be given a Mark of Chaos
Mark of Khorne +10
Mark of Slaanesh +5
Mark of Nurgle +20
Mark of Tzeentch +15

Special Rules
Fearles

Regenerate

Large Wings
The Chaos Dragon can Move up to 24” per turn but cannot shoot or assault if it moves more then 12”

Invulnerable
Created from the raw stuff of chaos, the dragon is very difficult to stop. It may take an invulnerable save of 4+

Breath Attacks
So Long as the Dragon is above four wounds he may make two breath attacks per turn during the shooting phase using the profiles below. At four or lower wounds it may only make one breath attack per turn

Breath of Decay 24” S5 AP4 Large Blast
Breath of Torment 48” S8 AP3 Heavy 1

I dont want to dl things, cant you paste it into the post?

Seconded.

Thirded

Updated the Original post without the download for all to look at... sorry if it looks like crap... it was originally on a datasheet

Is this the painting and modeling forum?

athba wrote:Is this the painting and modeling forum?

I thought it was......

It seems to have been hijacked by a FW chaos dragon, nevermind those dragons get everywhere these days...

First of all this is on the wrong forum and I have seen the dragon and it's HUGE shouldn't it get atleast the monsterous creature rule. Regenerate??? never heard of it (exept on warhammer). Also those mark point costs are really cheap, mark of Nurgle for basic csm is 50 points so you should atlest douple or triple the costs.

Regenerate like a carnifex? Base Cost? Give him a better save and a flametemplaye weapon! He is after all a dragon!!!!

Strength D?

Tizz wrote:Strength D?

D=destroyer

Its a special Apoc rule....

Shouldn't this be in proposed rules?

Moving to Proposed Rules forum.

Kilkrazy wrote:Moving to Proposed Rules forum.

You moved it to the wrong section it should be in 40K Proposed rules.

Needs more cool.

Gargatuan Creature?

One breath weapon should be long ranged anti-tank blast, one should be that big flamer. Wound on 2+ AP1. 3D6 Armour pen. Then you could have CHAOS BLAST when you combine the two. Yikes.

What else can it do. Minimum 2+ or 3+ armour save. Something cool with WS and BS. WS7 BS2.

And the marks have to do something cool. Maybe D6 each turn to see what mark it has. + to this, plus to that.

All in all a very cool idea. I kind of want one now.

this is a fantasy forum not 40k so you should move it.

this is a fantasy forum not 40k so you should move it.

this is a fantasy forum not 40k so you should move it.

Ok, so first off... sorry bout wrong forum...

Second, the regenerate ability had its own way of working for this model (i typed it up in a hurry since i was leaving... ill re type it with all the correct stuff)

The Gargantuan Creature rule was originally on this guy, as I said before... it had an actual data sheet typed up but i suppose no one wants to look at em that way

As for the marks being too low, you gotta realize in 40k the marks are for the whole squad... thats why it costs so much, not to mention it has all those icon rules... I took the points values off forgeworlds Giant Chaos Beast rules (my current favorite model till the dragon is obtained) Although i like the idea of special mark rules

Upping the save on this might be a possibilty, i just didnt want to make it too over powering since it has regenerate (although i suppose the bio titan has a 2+)

As for making the weapons different, I didnt want to make them too powerful for the same reason as saves, although ill make one if not both of them breath attacks using the apocalypse template. (Zoned out on the whole breath template face <_< )

Any other Suggestions?

Edit: And yes... the model is huge... Not that one wing is the size of a stompa/titan cough cough >: )

Psycannon removes Invulnerable.

Dunno how your "Regeneration" works, but it shouldn't be too powerful.

'Nuff Said.

Ah ive made a new version that ill post tommorow, but the regen is a 5+ against all wounds taken except wounds from str D weapons and wounds from other gargantuan creature... i would add force weapons and such but because the model is so HUGE and all the force weapons are extremely small to it, i didnt see a reason... unless thats a bad "fluff" type thing you think... then i could change it

Points: 1250

Unit: 1 Chaos Dragon

Type: Gargantuan Creature

Weapons and Equipment:
-Large Fangs and Claws
-Large Wings

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
8 3 D 8 8 2 2D6 10 2+

Options:
The Chaos Dragon may be given a Mark
of Chaos
Mark of Khorne +20
Mark of Slaanesh +20
Mark of Nurgle +20
Mark of Tzeentch +20

Special Rules

Fearless

Large Wings
During the shooting phase the Chaos Dragon may
choose to move an extra 2D6 instead of using
his breath attacks.

Invulnerable:
Created from raw materials of the warp, the Dragon
Is very difficult to stop and confers a 4+ invulnerable
save.

Breath Attacks:
Every turn the Chaos Dragon may make two breath attacks so long as he has not moved an additional 2D6 movement and is above four wounds. If the Chaos Dragons wounds are reduced to four or lower he may only make one breath attack per turn using the following profles.

Breath of Decay Hellstorm S7 AP3 Heavy 1
Breath of Torment 48” S10 AP2 Heavy 1

Regeneration:
Every time the Chaos Dragons takes a wound assuming it is not by a strength D weapon or from another Gargantuan Creature it may make a regeneration save of 5+ to regain its wound.

That thing is a huge model, go to town. Points?

I want one now.

I set it at 1250... ill add that into my post

Did your dragon arrive yet?

I have one too, I've just about finished filling it but am a little intimidated by the painting aspect.

Its very unbalanced too, you really have to build a base for it or it topples to one side.

Strength D on something that has 2d6 attacks and doesnt cost over 2500pts is too powerful, change it to S10.

Presumably the marks work the same as in the CSM codex. You need to say that or define what they do.

You need to change regeneration to FNP. USRs are easier to deal with than special rules that do the same thing.

You may want to change the breath of tormant to a emplate so it doesnt miss quite so often with it.

Its quite a lot undercosted.

Even at S10 it should be more expensive than a hierophant.

I think that its getting close to the right cost at 2000pts, although it may need to be higher.

What does it is that this thing is so hard to kill, much more so than a hierophant.

T9 (with MoN), 8 wounds, a 2+ save, 4+ inv and FNP makes it basically unkillable, even in an apocalypse game.

Then it also has a high number of high strength attacks (7 on average) and very good shooting. This thing could easily tear a reaver titan a new one without much trouble at all.

I was thinking D6 + W or D3 + W (remaining wounds) would be a cool way to do the attacks.

Do not forget AP1 and AP2 weapons ignore FNP, so for lots of shooting (and Thunder Hammers etc) you are looking at just a 4++.

Having said that, this might be better. T9 (T10 with MoN!) 2+, 5++, Regenerate. MoT gives 4++. Khorne gives D6 + W attacks instead of D3 + W attacks. Or else you could do something like 2D6 + D6 wounds, double ones the heads attack each other, lose a wound, three ones the heads go crazy and breath fire everywhere. MoN is T10, MoS is I5.

I would have to look at the rules for all the Titans and Gargantuan creatures but S10 +2D6 seems better to me than SD, it does not really have a titan killer weapon of any kind, just it's awesome chaos-ness.

Stupid question but what do the Apoc Demonlords do. SX + 2D6?

sleazy wrote:Did your dragon arrive yet?

I have one too, I've just about finished filling it but am a little intimidated by the painting aspect.

Its very unbalanced too, you really have to build a base for it or it topples to one side.

Yes I picked it up from my bunker on saturday... I has a thread on it http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/244523.page

However mine isnt too unbalanced, for the most part it stands up on its own and i havnt glued or pinned anything yet... the tail interfears cause it hits ground before all of the feet does, so im modeling it on a huge rocky type terrain to prevent this... and no doubt... Im extremely scared to start painting it D:

Regwon wrote:Strength D on something that has 2d6 attacks and doesnt cost over 2500pts is too powerful, change it to S10.

Presumably the marks work the same as in the CSM codex. You need to say that or define what they do.

You need to change regeneration to FNP. USRs are easier to deal with than special rules that do the same thing.

You may want to change the breath of tormant to a emplate so it doesnt miss quite so often with it.

Its quite a lot undercosted.

Even at S10 it should be more expensive than a hierophant.

I think that its getting close to the right cost at 2000pts, although it may need to be higher.

What does it is that this thing is so hard to kill, much more so than a hierophant.

T9 (with MoN), 8 wounds, a 2+ save, 4+ inv and FNP makes it basically unkillable, even in an apocalypse game.

Then it also has a high number of high strength attacks (7 on average) and very good shooting. This thing could easily tear a reaver titan a new one without much trouble at all.

Ok well, based on my last rule post I was using the CSM mark rules (as I did think it to be much easier in battles)

I will definitelly make it strength 10

However you say that its impossible to kill... Im not sure which Hierophant Bio-Titan rules your looking at... but in the Apocalypse rule book it has T9 W10 and a regeneration... Its also str 10 with 8 attacks AND two Bio-cannons that is equal to 16 str 10 attacks... a total of 24 Str 10 Attacks with same toughness (assuming I put mark of Nurgle) and 2 more wounds with a better regenerate... BUT its still 1250

Yes, it does have the same type run rule as my dragon to take away from Bio-cannons but it can also has a choice of two diff exrta moves so it can still shoot one... still another 8 str 10 attacks.

If Im missing something please explain... I could be wrong as I dont play moniter, butt according to my Apocalypse book... The Bio-Titan is harder to kill and could kill way more then my Dragon rules could...