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That's up by £5 over the Nighthaunt boxed set?

 Overread wrote:
That's up by £5 over the Nighthaunt boxed set?

Yep up £5 not entirely unexpected GW factors price rises into new releases.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Wh-Underworlds-Nightvault-2018-eng

Now will the warbands go up from £17.50? I could see a potential bump to £20

That said there appears to be a second book in the Beastgrave according to the box photo and both warbands appear to have more models in them whilst the previous had one undersized warband. That said the warbands are all generally kept to the same price no matter if they are 3 or 5 or more models within them.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Oh man, wolves that don't look like rats. Yay. Release them as updatet Fenriswolves yesterday. The fur looks a bit weird, but that's GW's style for plastic fur, it always lools weird. The IoB rat ogres and the Stormfiends got it the worst.

Sprue plastic does not love wavy textures.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet but my Facebook kit supplier has just had the Beastgrave price from the GW rep, £45

Ouch. That's a big jump here in the US, going from $60 to $75.

US and Canadian pricing of the Nightvault boxed set doesn’t use the same exchange formula as other products in the line. If Beastgrave gets an increased base price AND takes on the exchange formula of other products then it will indeed be a significant jump for us.

If it’s more than $65 US, then I can just pick up the easy to build model kits I like. I haven’t gotten in many games and I’d rather just have straight forward no deck building game anyway.

angryboy2k wrote:
US and Canadian pricing of the Nightvault boxed set doesn’t use the same exchange formula as other products in the line. If Beastgrave gets an increased base price AND takes on the exchange formula of other products then it will indeed be a significant jump for us.

Nightvault is 40 GBP right now, which lines up with the $60USD tag on Nightvault.
Beastgrave, per the reported price, is 45GBP...which would put it at the $75USD price bracket.

For the record, I don't use "exchange formulas". I look up items by price and do a comparison that way. They've been moving a lot of price bands around on the UK side and it's playing havoc with figuring things out.
Invictors, for example, are $60USD but 37.50GBP. I used the pricetag on the Skorpius(45GBP) for my $75USD pricetag.

I feel pretty safe saying $75USD for Beastgrave though, as it does look like we're getting more than usual...although if there's a "built-in savings" for us here in North America? I'd go for $65.

The redemptor dreadnought is £40 in the UK and it’s $65 US, $80 Canadian. For whatever it’s worth, Nightvault’s US/CAN pricing ($60/$70) doesn’t line up with whatever fictitious exchange formula GW uses for the majority of their products (in Canada, most items work out at 2:1).

I don’t think we’re getting more than usual from Beastgrave from what I’ve seen so far. The second book is probably just a learn to play pamphlet and the figures are likely to still be on the same number of sprues as all the other figures in the range.

I can see a price hike for the separate band too.....

Beastgrave Euro prices

Beastgrave €60
Playmat €14.50
Deckbox €6.50
Primal Lair €25
Carrycase €40
Dice €10
Sleeves €10
Counters €12
Beastgrave novel with 3 cards with exclusive artwork €22

These should exchange to

Beastgrave £45 $75
Playmat £12 $18
Deckbox £5 $8
Primal Lair £20 $35
Carrycase £30 $50
Dice £8 $12.50
Sleeves £8 £12.50
Counters £10 $15

angryboy2k wrote:
The redemptor dreadnought is £40 in the UK and it’s $65 US, $80 Canadian. For whatever it’s worth, Nightvault’s US/CAN pricing ($60/$70) doesn’t line up with whatever fictitious exchange formula GW uses for the majority of their products (in Canada, most items work out at 2:1).

The Redemptor's price was set down awhile ago, so that's not really a helpful comparison. Nightvault is 40GBP but $60USD, Intercessors are 35GBP but $60USD and the Invictor is 37.50GBP but $60USD.

 DaveC wrote:
Beastgrave Euro prices

Beastgrave €60
Playmat €14.50
Deckbox €6.50
Primal Lair €25
Carrycase €40
Dice €10
Sleeves €10
Counters €12
Beastgrave novel with 3 cards with exclusive artwork €22

That's €10 more expensive than the Nightvault and Shadespire base sets. While I like the look of the Beastman and Wolfrider warbands, I'm out - it's all getting rather too much to collect by this points. Also not really liking even more added mechanics - part of the charm of Shadespire, to me, was the relatively easy-to-learn nature of the game; it was something I could play at home. If this has even more counters and mechanics to deal with I'd rather play a more customizable game.

Still cool to see innovative AOS models, though, and I might pick up a warband in the future if it's still backwards compatible with Nightvault for casual games.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/beastgrave-unboxedgw-homepage-post-2/

The unboxing indeed shows that we’re getting nothing extra for the extra money. And this season looks like we’re gonna need counters that aren’t in the base box.

angryboy2k wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/beastgrave-unboxedgw-homepage-post-2/

The unboxing indeed shows that we’re getting nothing extra for the extra money.

Other than the Warbands themselves, naturally.

Past boxes have had 3 vs 5(Shadespire) and 3 vs 7(Nightvault)
This one is 6(Beastmen) vs 5(Kurnothi)

And this season looks like we’re gonna need counters that aren’t in the base box.

Not too fussed about that. I've already got a few things planned myself. Notable one is the Hunter->Prey Counters, using arrows from a few kits I've had sitting around.


Additionally, the article has a good callout:

A small but significant change in Warhammer Underworlds: Beastgrave is how faction-specific cards work. Starting with the Core Set, every Warhammer Underworlds warband will have a minimum-sized deck’s worth of cards – that’s 10 Upgrades, 10 Gambits and 12 Objectives. This means that building your first deck is super easy, just grab everything that’s specific to your warband and you’re good to go!

 Kanluwen wrote:

angryboy2k wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/beastgrave-unboxedgw-homepage-post-2/

The unboxing indeed shows that we’re getting nothing extra for the extra money.

Other than the Warbands themselves, naturally.

Past boxes have had 3 vs 5(Shadespire) and 3 vs 7(Nightvault)
This one is 6(Beastmen) vs 5(Kurnothi)

And this season looks like we’re gonna need counters that aren’t in the base box.

Not too fussed about that. I've already got a few things planned myself. Notable one is the Hunter->Prey Counters, using arrows from a few kits I've had sitting around.


Additionally, the article has a good callout:

A small but significant change in Warhammer Underworlds: Beastgrave is how faction-specific cards work. Starting with the Core Set, every Warhammer Underworlds warband will have a minimum-sized deck’s worth of cards – that’s 10 Upgrades, 10 Gambits and 12 Objectives. This means that building your first deck is super easy, just grab everything that’s specific to your warband and you’re good to go!

Noticed that with Dreadfane and was wondering if it represented a change in season 3.

The warbands are still two warbands, on the same size and number of sprues as usual. I don’t think the number of models in a warband is an indicator of whether you’re getting “more” or “less” for your money.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited about this release and I’m in, but goddammit GW - do you have to keep doing this nickel and diming?

The only thing that will stop me jumping on board is saving for Bonereapers right now. However once that's over I'd love to get this core set - though I might trade away the beastmen, I love the style of the Kurnothi!

They can raise the price now since they got some people hooked. Before Shadespire release the price was"mistakenly" listed at 70US$

Chopstick wrote:
They can raise the price now since they got some people hooked. Before Shadespire release the price was"mistakenly" listed at 70US$

Source? Because the only time I was aware of that price is when people were plugging crap into XE or other currency translators.

€60 for the base game is a bit steep, may hold off and buy it next time I am in the UK... the £ is likely to have tanked even more by then, so will get a better exchange rate.

Currently £45 is €50.82.

Still, glad that Warbands now come with enough Faction cards to do a full faction deck. Moving away from a reliance on universal cards will I think help the strength of the game.

Don't try to justify the price increase with any added value in the box set.

Is just a straight up price increase.

The price increase isn't the problem, it's using a completely out-of-whack exchange rate that is

I just finished sorting my season 1 cards today, planning to do the same with my season 2 cards next. I can't imagine any opponent local to me will mind playing me if I'm only using 2 seasons worth of cards - even if it's not the current two seasons. So for myself, planning to pause on purchases for this for a bit as far as cards go, at least (still interested in cool stuff like that sweet terrain, though ).


Also, unboxing pics are posted!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/beastgrave-unboxedgw-homepage-post-2/

Loving the new models in the base set, not loving the price increase. Will probably pass if it's $75 instead of $60.

I don't know if it was brought up before, but the ungor raiders actually have bowstrings. Which is funny, since the two other beastgrave warbands with bows don't have them.

Speaking from experience, it's actually hard to do bowstrings well.

Ungors work as the one has the bow over his arm(giving an attachment point for the 'string') while the other one has an arrow to do the same thing for him.
Doesn't help that the elf stuff traditionally has a more 'silken' style string rather than some coarse nonsense.


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 RiTides wrote:
The price increase isn't the problem, it's using a completely out-of-whack exchange rate that is

Then your problem is literally the price increase. Because it's an artifact of the exchange rates they use. The prices were probably set months ago and they don't exactly change them on the fly.

I just finished sorting my season 1 cards today, planning to do the same with my season 2 cards next. I can't imagine any opponent local to me will mind playing me if I'm only using 2 seasons worth of cards - even if it's not the current two seasons. So for myself, planning to pause on purchases for this for a bit as far as cards go, at least (still interested in cool stuff like that sweet terrain, though ).

Highly suggest you go through and note which cards went with which warband, because those are the ones which will be a problem for you in any kind of organized play event.

I finally broke down and bought a Warband (Oruks) and I'm wondering how does one tell what cards are legal at any given time. Is there a master list maintained by GW, or is it entirely up to an event organizer to make this call? Where might one find some guidance on the Underworlds cards?

Kendo wrote:
I finally broke down and bought a Warband (Oruks) and I'm wondering how does one tell what cards are legal at any given time. Is there a master list maintained by GW, or is it entirely up to an event organizer to make this call? Where might one find some guidance on the Underworlds cards?

Check the banned and restricted list

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/23/warhammer-underworlds-banned-and-restricted-lists-now-updatedgw-homepage-post-2/

It’ll probably be updated after Beastgrave releases

Kendo wrote:
I finally broke down and bought a Warband (Oruks) and I'm wondering how does one tell what cards are legal at any given time. Is there a master list maintained by GW, or is it entirely up to an event organizer to make this call? Where might one find some guidance on the Underworlds cards?

As of right now, this is what you need to know:

That's the "roadmap" of how things are going to function--although it doesn't have the text caveat that accompanied it, which is "if a Universal Card has been duplicated in a later set" it's still considered legal.

So Faction Cards(in your case, the Orruk glyph in the upper right hand corner)? They don't get 'rotated out', from what we know right now. They might have some be on the Restricted/Banned List(See here for the constantly updated PDF), but they should be otherwise playable.
Universal Cards(Skull in the upper right hand corner) will get rotated out after two seasons, unless it is one that has been duplicated in a later set.

Event organizers are, if they're getting any prize support from GW, supposed to be using the Restricted/Banned list.

So since Beastgrave is season 3, all the universal cards from season 1 aren't legal in organized play? Good to know. I don't think I need to worry too much about that for a bit, but if I like this I might see if I can run/ help with a couple events locally.

Edit: I see, that's what the 'X' is about in the roadmap. Gotcha. Thank for the explanation.

FWIW, as far as finding which cards are rotated out, that's what the symbol beside the collector number in the right hand margin is for. Of course, that only applies if the upper right corner symbol is the universal card symbol.