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Well even though this is my actual first forum on DAKKA DAKKA, I have done this before. This forum is meant for any one and everyone to put their ideas here for every one. I will not expect flaming of peoples ideas or thoughts. If any that happens your post will be removed... if i can do that...

Now those who have ideas but dont know it works then take this and work it out

UNIT OR FORMATION NAME:
POINTS:
TYPE:
STRUTURE POINTS:
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT:
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
OPTIONS:
UNIT STATS:
SPECIAL RULES:
ADDITIONAL INFO:
DESCRIPTION:


You can us the as a template for your units if you wish. For those who know this and have it written up. You can make up specail for your units or use ones that exist in other armies. I'll supply with an example. The best tank of WWII, the T-34/85:


UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: T-34/85
POINTS: 250 (Squadron: +20 and points of each tank)

UNIT OR FORMATION: Tank/ Tank Squadron
TYPE: Heavy Battle Tank

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter and turret mounted Vanquisher Cannon
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3
Vanquisher Cannon 72” 8 2 Heavy 1

OPTIONS:
Commissar Officer: A T-34/85 Heavy Battle Tank may be upgrade to take a commissar of part of the crew. Any Guard Forces with in 12” of the tank become fearless. +20 points

Command Tank: In a squadron, a tank is designated to command tank for the propose of leading with little confusion. +10 points
UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
T-34/85 4 14 13 12
STRUCTURE POINTS: 2

SPECIAL RULES:
Sloped Armour: All glancing and penetrating hit have a -1 indicator, weapons with an AP value 1, 2, and D negates this effect.

Rolling Thunder: Because of the armour, the tank has a massive engine to move it. The engine is so loud that it sounds like thunder rolling towards the enemy. All enemies within 18” must roll a morale check with a -1 indicator.

Command Tank: In a squadron of this tank, a tank is designated a Command Tank. All tanks within 12” do not suffer from crew shaken or stunned

DESCRIPTION: Fira’s monstrosity became several months after a Tau attack on its outer most planets. The T-34/85 was designed to help the Baneblade Super Heavy tanks in open field combat. It never achieved this role, as the first 2000 of this tank were thrown out into combat on Fira itself. At first crews complained of the noise alerting the enemy and repositioning to take them on. And that the treads were open to fire, and that there was only as single heavy bolter, but after the battle outside Fira’s Capital, all the complaints had disappeared. They we’re replaced by stories that seemed like myth and tales of great heroism. Imperial Guard forces using the tank suffered only 184 lose with the Tau losing 380 tanks. One Story of the T-34/85 was that the tank toke a direct to its treads and its engine. Bellowing black smoke, the Tau and Imperial Guard forces assumed it destroyed until the thunderous engine roared to life and threw the tank forward out of the smoke taking aim, firing, and knocking out the tank that tried to destroy it.


Now if you wish to give advice to people about other units... Now the T-34/85 and most the units I post will be Imperial Guard... now if you post related to a spefic race, please post it allong with the unit.

I'm going to give you all the tanks for you. They are all Imperial Guard...

UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Sherman Drop Tank, Sherman Crocodile Drop Tank, Sherman Firefly Drop Tank
POINTS: Sherman Standard 140
Sherman Crocodile 155
Sherman Firefly 180
UNIT OR FORMATION: Tank/ Tank squadron
Squadron consists of 2-4 Sherman Tanks

TYPE: Fast Attack Tank

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT:
Sherman has a hull mounted Heavy Bolter and turret mounted Light Battle Cannon and heavy bolter
Sherman Crocodile ha a hull mounted Heavy Bolter, and turret mounted Light Battle Cannon and a Crocodile Flamer
A Sherman Firefly has a hull mounted heavy Bolter, and a Turret mounted Vanquisher Cannon.


WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Light Battle Cannon 60” 8 3 Ordnance 1 Large Blast
Heavy Flamers Template 5 4 Assault 1
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3
Heavy Stubber 36” 4 6 Heavy 3
Crocodile Flamer 24”+ Template 4 4 Assault 1

OPTIONS: Sherman Tanks May be upgrade to a Sherman Crocodile for +15 points or a Sherman Firefly for +40 points

A tank may be upgrade with a Heavy Stubber for +10 points
All tanks in a Squadron may be upgraded to have Smoke Launchers at +5 per tank

UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Sherman St. 3 12 11 10
Crocodile 3 12 12 11
Firefly 4 12 11 10

SPECIAL RULES:
Different Penetration Chart: The Sherman is so fragile that when the armour is penetrated that the Sherman is sure to be destroyed.
1-2 Wreck
3-4 Explosion
5-6 Fiery Explosions

Fiery Explosion: When 5-6 is rolled in penetration chart, the Sherman explodes with a flames flying out of the hull. The Flamer template is used all the way around the Sherman tanks hull to see if any models are hit.

Move and Shoot: A Sherman is a light tank that can move and shoot with limit recoil because of the light battle cannon. A Sherman can move 6” and shoot all weapons or move twelve and shoot only its Cannon. Sherman Firefly cannot use this ability.

Light tank: The Sherman Varieties are extremely light having them beginning able to move 12” per turn


DESCRIPTION: During the first deployment of 29th Infantry, they realized how ineffective dropping behind enemy lines without any type of armour to support the troops. After three engagements with Tau Forces, the forces were forced to retreat to friendly lines. Quickly, requests for a tactical tank for dropping behind the lines to help the Jumptrooper Companies. The request went to Fira, a nearby Forgeworld; quickly produce twelve thousand of these tanks for Capella’s Jump Regiments and several other regiments. At first they were consider the best tank so far, other than the shorter gun range. But then the flaws began to become apparent. It weak armour gave little protection and the engine used an extremely volatile fuel. This created high causality rates among the tank crew. But its mobility makes it easy to get to a point and fight back the Xeno’s.


UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Cromwell Battle Squadron
POINTS: 135 per tank (+20 for squadron)

UNIT OR FORMATION: Cromwell Attack Tank
TYPE: Tank

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT:
Hull mounted Heavy Bolter, turret mounted Battle Cannon


WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Battle Cannon 72” 8 3 Ordnance 1, Large Blast
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3

OPTIONS:

Commissar Commander: The Commander of a tank is replaced with a commissar. All units in a 12” radius of the tank do not take morale checks. +15 points

Command Tank: The Tactical condition of the battle field requires a commander able to move speedy with protection. Cromwell’s with this upgrade can order infantry within 12” Orders. +30 points

UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Cromwell 3 14 13 11
SPECIAL RULES:

Lumbering Behemoth
Stout Tank: The Cromwell tank is short then most tank used by the Imperial Guard forces, there for it hides much easier than most other. Gains a 5+ Cover save when in Rough Terrain.

Tank Riders: The Cromwell’s hull has several points in which infantry may jump up and ride on. Any unit of guardsmen my leap onto a Cromwell if they are with 4” or less, to do so, they must roll a 2D6 and score a 6 or up to ride the tank. If not the infantry squad continues on it way with a modifier of -1. Once on board they my ride the tank as long as they wish, disembarking when they want. Capacity of 12, any models riding can be shot at and get no cover saves or armour saves.

Strong Tread System: The Cromwell’s Tread system is different to most other tank in the Imperium. The Cromwell ignores all difficult terrain and treats Dangerous terrain as Difficult.

ADDITIONAL INFO: 5 Cromwell’s per Squadron 4 squadrons per Company.
DESCRIPTION: The Tactical situations around Capella continued deteriorate as consist Ork and Tau attacks forced Leman Russ designs to their maximum level their abilities. Several planets near the Forgeworld Fira, including Capella requested the techpreist on planet to produce a strong tank, which was fast an effective in combat with all the forces. The techpreist’s came up with very little mainly a strong hull Leman Russ. The Answer would come from Capella’s local techpreist, coming up with the Cromwell Attack Tank. It’s had a strong tread design with a special suspension system. Nearby planets like the Desert planet Raxter II began to purchase these tanks for its capabilities of a tactical command Platform for commander. They have been claimed as being bulking and unwanted by Jungle Commanders and Iceworld Commanders, but they praise and have proved themselves time and again in field, desert and urban combat.

UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: M-12 Battery
POINTS: 140 per tank
UNIT OR FORMATION: M-12
TYPE: Open Top Tank

STRUCTURE POINTS: None

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: 155mm Mortar Siege Cannon

WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
155mm Mortar 24”-96” 9 3 Ordnance 1, Large blast

OPTIONS: None

UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
M-12 3 13 11 10
SPECIAL RULES:
Indirect Fire

Massive Recoil: When the M-12 fires, the entire chassis rocks back from the massive recoil. When the M-12 is fired, the player must roll for a chance of a glancing; glancing on 6.

ADDITIONAL INFO: 3 M-12 per battery 2 Batteries per company

DESCRIPTION: The M-12 is the only tank built by Capella that uses a High power Mortar weapon meant for annihilating buildings and bunkers. Relatively new, it’s only served for three years against Tau and rebelling forces, proving effective against both. Its cannon is stronger than a Medusa siege Mortar, but has a limitation on its capability of fighting with no defensive weapons for urban or Forest combat so it is always to have two to three squad guarding it at all times.


UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Achilles Tank Destroyer
POINTS: 160

UNIT OR FORMATION: Achilles Tank Destroyer
TYPE: Open Top Battle Tank

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: Turret mounted Vanquisher Cannon

WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Vanquisher Cannon 72” 8 2 Heavy 1

OPTIONS: None

UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Achilles TD 3 13 10 10
SPECIAL RULES: None
ADDITIONAL INFO: 3 Achilles per Squadrons, 2 Squadrons
DESCRIPTION: Another Capellian Masterpiece, these monstrosities are meant only for finding and destroying enemy tanks. Along with the Vanquisher Cannon, the tank is open topped for the crew to have a better view of the enemy increasing their chances of scoring a kill. But as time would prove with other tanks, its design comes with flaws and great fall backs. While its armour on the front is strong and can take a hit, its side and rear armour it easily punched through. Its open crew compartment also proved to be fatal as it is leaves the crew to the elements and snipers. Like its sister tank the Marder III, it is well suited for urban combat and field combat, but lags in snowy, muddy or even rainy weather along with its inability to adapt to unique situations.


UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Drop Jeep
POINTS: 80 points

UNIT OR FORMATION: Drop Jeep
TYPE: Open Top Transport

WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: Passenger armed with a Lasgun, Can be upgrade to have a heavy Bolter.
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Lasgun 24” 5 - Rapid Fire
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3

OPTIONS: The Drop Jeep may take the following upgrade:
A Heavy Bolter may be place on the rear compartment of the jeeps body at +10 points
It may take a medic on board at +20 points
UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Jeep 3 10 10 9
SPECIAL RULES:
Deepstrike
Transport: The jeep can be used as a transport of squads of 5 or move in pairs and carry 10 men.
Instant Kill: If the jeep is penetrated it is destroyed and becomes a wreck on the field.

Bouncy Suspension: A jeep bounds and bounces of every type of terrain with no worries of breaking down or taking damage. Ignores difficult terrain.

Light Vehicle: Because the jeep is so light, it moves faster than most other vehicle in the Imperial Guard Arsenal. A jeep may move 12” every turn.

ADDITIONAL INFO: Jeep has one driver and one passenger at all times.
DESCRIPTION: During the first weeks of the Drop Regiments training days, a new vehicle was introduced on Capella and was quickly adopted by the Drop Regiment and named the Jeep because of it rugged body. Every Jumptrooper knew that they wouldn’t be able to take a hit from a tank or strong weapon, but it made up for in its speed and weapon load out. But it quickly became loved by the troops of as Recon Vehicle and Support vehicle. It is also converted to have an Officio Medicae personal onboard as a mobile Triage.


UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Emperor’s Fury Railway Gun
POINTS: 600

UNIT OR FORMATION: Emperor’s Fury Railway Gun
TYPE: Armoured Train Gun (Open Topped)
STRUCTURE POINTS: 4
VOID SHIELDS: 2
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: One hull mounted High Powered K5 Railway Gun
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
High Powered K5 Railway
Gun 36”-unlimited D 10 10” Blast, Ordnance 1, Destroyer
OPTIONS: NONE
UNIT STATS: Armour
Bs Front Side Rear
Emperors Fury 5 14 14 13
SPECIAL RULES:
Indirect, Reactor Meltdown
Massive shell: The Size of the shells fired by the Emperor’s Fury vary but they are all well above the size of an Earthshakers Round. The Size of shell is so large that when it hits the ground it cause a shock wave. Any units within 6” beyond the template take a morale check with a -2 indicator.
ADDITIONAL INFO: CLASSIFIED
DESCRIPTION: All Data on this weapon had been with held in the Capellian Governor Militant Personal secret production location. All other information is CLASSIFIED.



UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Musik Pulverisieren (Soul Pulverize)
POINTS: 650
UNIT OR FORMATION: Musik Pulverisieren
TYPE: Super Heavy Open Top Tank
STRUCTURE POINTS: 3
VOID SHIELDS: 1
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT:
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Redemption Mortar 36”-120” 9 3 10” Blast, Ordnance 1
OPTIONS: NONE
UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Musik Pulverisieren 3 14 13 12
SPECIAL RULES:
Indirect, Massive Shell
ADDITIONAL INFO: CLASSIFIED
DESCRIPTION: CLASSIFIED



UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Marder III Tank Destroyer
POINTS: 140
TYPE: Open Top Tank
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: Hull Mounted Vanquisher Cannon hull mounted Heavy Bolter
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Vanquisher Cannon 72” 8 2 Heavy 1
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3
OPTIONS: NONE
UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Marder III 3 13 11 10
SPECIAL RULES: NONE
ADDITIONAL INFO: 2 per Hunter Team
DESCRIPTION: Marder III is the Third type of the version with the first line of tanks being terribly constructed and had sloppy Crews. After several years of battle the MK III came out on production and finally the 12th Capellian Armoured Corp had a strong Anti-tank vehicle with a well planned chassis for urban warfare. It was only used once as the end of the fighting finished before it could truly test is capabilities.

UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Tiger Tank
POINTS: 400
TYPE: Super Heavy Tank
STRUTURE POINTS: 2
VOID SHIELDS: 1
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: 1 hull mounted heavy bolter and 1 turret mounted 88mm High Velocity Cannon
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Heavy Bolter 36” 5 4 Heavy 3
88mm 90” 10 1 Heavy 1
OPTIONS:
Commissar Command: A Commissar is attached to this tank to convince the Infantry to advance no matter the cost.
All infantry within 12” don’t roll for morale checks if under fifty percent. +20 points
Expert Crew: Crews of the Tiger tank have been training together for much of their military careers, while these crews have trained for much of their lives. Expert crew increases the BS from 3 to 5. +50 points
Command Tiger: If in a formation, the most experienced takes the lead, and will assist any Tigers in danger. If a Tiger tank within 6” of a Command Tiger misses, it may reroll its shot. +25 points


UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Tiger Tank 3 14 14 11
Expert Tiger 5 14 14 11
SPECIAL RULES:
Lumbering Behemoth, Tank Riders, Rolling Thunder
ADDITIONAL INFO: 3 Tigers per Squadron, 2 squadrons per Company
DESCRIPTION: After the success of the T-34/85 on Capella, Fira began to design a new tank stronger and more powerful and greatly more protected. Before they complete the design though, Tau forces thrashed and devastated the planet before the construction could be completed. Quickly the design was transferred to Capella and construction was started. The first tank was terrible and it was scraped, quickly being redesigned for Urban situation. By this time the tank had become completely like a Capellian design and Fira had been designed. The first Dozen built and place in a new regiment for training when Tau forces attacked. Even though all were lost the twelve had achieved over 176 Tau vehicles destroyed over three days.

UNIT OR FORMATION NAME: Jagdtiger
POINTS: 450
TYPE: Super Heavy Tank
STRUTURE POINTS: 2
VIOD SHEILDS: 1
WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT: Hull mounted Turbo-laser Destructor
WEAPONS RANGE STR AP SPECIAL
Turbo-laser Destructor 72” D 2 Heavy 1, 5” blast
OPTIONS: NONE
UNIT STATS: Armour
BS Front Side Rear
Jagdtiger 4 14 12 11
SPECIAL RULES: NONE
ADDITIONAL INFO: 1 Per Jagd team
DESCRIPTION: After the success of the Tiger, a new tank rolled of beside its sister tank, taking the Krieg’s word for hunting, the JAGDTIGER. Hiding in wait, this tank could knock out a team of tanks and leave before the enemy could return fire. Their powerful guns force the tank to be redesigned to compensate for its high level of recoil, but the design brought forward three problems. One was the guns could only fire straight forward, give the tank no way to defend themselves. But still the tanks continue to prove their worth with scoring 10 kills for every tank lost.

WALL OF TEXT!!!!

typhus wrote:WALL OF TEXT!!!!

More like Walll of TEXT AND DOOM... did you read some of the units... even i'm scared of them I i'm putting them out for everyone to use... like the Emperors Fury Railway Gun.... I made and it scares the out of me

typhus wrote:WALL OF TEXT!!!!

Exactly what I was going to say...

I think I read the 1st three sentences and then gave up.

Because inventing overpoweringly good stuff and saying "THIS IS BALANCED!!!!1111one" is fun.

Better in WALL OF TEXT mode (tm)

You obviously put a lot of work in this, I'll give you that.

But...what is the point of this? You posted lots of 2nd millenium tanks, alright. Do you want to field Revell/Tamiya/Whatever models in your 40k games?

And, with all due respect, some of the stats seem ridiculous, beginning with the T34. Okay, it was a good tank - IN 1940! Did you do the stats based on the real tank? I mean...I mean...it is supposed to have better rear armour than EVERY vehicle short of a Land Raider/Monolith? Its 85mm gun should count as a Vanquisher cannon? Then what stats would have a Leopard 2A6 with its modern 120mm cannon? S12 AP0.5 ultra-doom big fething gun, ignoring everything?

I guess I should stop writing here...still confused

...to just add a little thought, a Leman Russ weighs 60t, the T34 33t. And this 33t is better amoured, has structure points, its funny "I'M LOUD FEAR ME" rule and thereby supposed to be noisier than a tank with double weight? And all that being, you know, 38.000 years short in technological advancement? WHY?

Postscriptum: Don't get me wrong, I like the general idea of what you did. I just don't really understand, I guess.

Postpostscriptum: T34 has armour values of about 20-70mm of steel. A Leman Russ has 150mm of ceramite/plasteel-compound stuff armour on the hull and 200mm on the turret.

And both have AV14 front armour? AND the T34 has a melta-ignoring hit-reducing rule?


...well, I will now just assume that these units are supposed to be NEW 40k tanks, the best stuff the Adeptus Mechanicus has to offer and that their resemblance to WW2 tanks is simply coincidental. Even that way this thing is overpowered.

TL;DR. recommend you Google "Flames of War"...

k srt bout no clearing things up i've been editing thing but... i'm still working things out.... i came her to work out kinks and get advice as well as help other people.... sry

Well, what are you trying to do? If you tell people what you're working on, and what you want, that may work better...

... well I dont know if i should... there things like fairness... and practability. Like the T-34/85 tank is a super heavy tank,but it seems over powered... but i took a Baneblade stats and looked to see i i coun't dumb it down for this tank... and i suck a converting and making new vehicles so I take my adantage of having other stores that seal these tanks for pretty cheap and that is my main idea of these vehicle... but i need to know if i'm making them overpowered or an uber unit... I think the Musik Pulvisein and the Emperors fury railway gun is just a little over power but i think thats becuase i wanted to make up for its size and cost.... I'm just trying to see if my vehilces are overpowered.

I think you guys are bing a little unfair to the OP, I mean hes got an idea to use WW2 tanks in his game and came up his own rules.

I think that anything that inspires creativity is to be commended, but that being said, this belongs in Proposed Rules.

Other then that, the look ok, some stuffs a little over the top and needs to be tweaked.

Titanbravo wrote:I think you guys are bing a little unfair to the OP, I mean hes got an idea to use WW2 tanks in his game and came up his own rules.

I think that anything that inspires creativity is to be commended, but that being said, this belongs in Proposed Rules.

Other then that, the look ok, some stuffs a little over the top and needs to be tweaked.

Okay... thank you.... is is alright if you tell me what needs to be tweaked... I still have the Panther and Panzer to finish then thats it for me...

.... guys... i been meaning to ask... but how do you move a thread?


god i'm a noobie....