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**Emperors Faithful**

40k universe Vs Star Wars. (At the end of no.6).

1) Luke skywalker and other Jedi get burnt at the stake for psker witchraft.
2) Spaz Marines drop pod into Coruscant, utterly wrecking it. (Orbital bombardment fun too.)
3) Guard Stormtroopers make a mess of Stormtroopers.
4) 40k navy pawns Navy throught sheer BIGNESS.
5) All aleins (and pretty much all humans) are wiped out as either xenos or xeno-lovers.

A Happy ending for all.

P.S. Han Solo gets into dept from a Dark Eldar Kabal. 1000000 times worse than Jabba the Hutt.

**Pirate_joe_666**

Wait, what?

**Emperors Faithful**

Wait, what what?

**whatwhat**

Star Wars would probably start crying once 40k stole it's lunch money.

**Emperors Faithful**

And its girlfriend.
And its virginity.
And its glasses.
And anything else.

**whatwhat**

Fluffwise yeh but fanbase wise that's all reversed.

**Frazzled**

Emperors Faithful wrote:40k universe Vs Star Wars. (At the end of no.6).

1) Luke skywalker and other Jedi get burnt at the stake for psker witchraft.
2) Spaz Marines drop pod into Coruscant, utterly wrecking it. (Orbital bombardment fun too.)
3) Guard Stormtroopers make a mess of Stormtroopers.
4) 40k navy pawns Navy throught sheer BIGNESS.
5) All aleins (and pretty much all humans) are wiped out as either xenos or xeno-lovers.

A Happy ending for all.

P.S. Han Solo gets into dept from a Dark Eldar Kabal. 1000000 times worse than Jabba the Hutt.

****Extermination of the Jedi

If stormtroopers can do it terminators can do it, with style.
****Ctan battle fleet appears and gets wiped out by Death Star (tee hee).
****40K Navy vs. Imperial Navy equals epic battle coolness and eventual draw.
****the above battle creates a hole in space and time, releasing Chuck Norris, Robot Abraham Lincoln, Godzilla, and Batman...

**GoFenris**

**EarlyEscaper**

the 40k space fleet would utterly destroy anything star wars has, in general, the only true threat posed is the jedi with their fancy power swords.

imagine a chapter of marines, backed up by a ton of guard against a large amount of clone troopers....mmmmm (drifts into reverie)

**Exarch_Nektel**

Frazzled wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:40k universe Vs Star Wars. (At the end of no.6).

1) Luke skywalker and other Jedi get burnt at the stake for psker witchraft.
2) Spaz Marines drop pod into Coruscant, utterly wrecking it. (Orbital bombardment fun too.)
3) Guard Stormtroopers make a mess of Stormtroopers.
4) 40k navy pawns Navy throught sheer BIGNESS.
5) All aleins (and pretty much all humans) are wiped out as either xenos or xeno-lovers.

A Happy ending for all.

P.S. Han Solo gets into dept from a Dark Eldar Kabal. 1000000 times worse than Jabba the Hutt.

****Extermination of the Jedi If stormtroopers can do it terminators can do it, with style.
****Ctan battle fleet appears and gets wiped out by Death Star (tee hee).
****40K Navy vs. Imperial Navy equals epic battle coolness and eventual draw.
****the above battle creates a hole in space and time, releasing Chuck Norris, Robot Abraham Lincoln, Godzilla, and Batman...

No, not the ultimate showdown!

Also, the Imperial Navy (40k) would WRECK the Imperial Navyt (Star Wars). It's not even a contest.

**Frazzled**

40K Imperium has nothing comparable to a death star. Sorry.

Star Wars has nothing comparable to a terminator.

Both have orks (ROTJ beginning scene-coolio).

The Imperium would welcome Darth Vader, but only if toughened up a bit-he's a tad to lenient...

**hawkeye**

Comparing a sci fi fantasy universe to a universe so immersed in bloodshed, and mindless violence where every race has planet killers, galaxy destroying, star eating weapons, and then saying the sci fi fantasy universe would lose is like saying a 10 year old could beat up a cage fighter.

**djphranq**

Lets not go nuts here.

Jedi skilled in force powers > Psyker

Jedi skilled in lightsaber combat > Terminator

Clone troopers > Imperial guard

Republic/Imperial Commandos > Karskins/stormtroopers

Yuuzhan Vong > most xenos in the 40k universe with the exception of maybe the nids

Death Star > Exterminatus

Star Destroyer Orbital Bombardment > Imperial Navy Orbital Bombardment

Grand Master Luke Skywalker > Gregor Eisenhorn

General Han Solo > Ciaphas Cain

Star Wars Nerd > 40k nerd

Jar Jar Binks > all of 40k

Megan Fox > star wars/40k

pR0nz > everything

**Great Unclean One**

40K Imperium has nothing comparable to a death star. Sorry.

I beg to differ, well not imperium but come on. Abbadon's flagship can destroy PLANETS! Also death star got destroyed by an annoying little man in a silly shaped spacy ship so I reckon a strikecruiser could EASILY do it or a smurf battle barge.

Also yea, 40K would pwn ass! Only the good Star Wars guys left, bad guys dead and most jedi also dead so it's just a matter of mopping up the goey mess on the floor where chooie used to be...

**Space Marine**

Rebels mistake white scars as stormtroopers and stare in amazement as there Armour stops there rounds and stare in even more amazement when the white scars actually manage to hit them!

**Orkeosaurus**

Okay, first off, is this all of 40k versus Star Wars, or the Empire versus the Imperium?

If it's all of 40k, lolorks, it's over.

If it's Empire versus Imperium do both sides still have to deal with hostile outside forces? If they don't do they still have to deal with internal corruption?

If the first is true the Imperium could eventually lose.(With things like orks and tyranids ramming up against them.) If the first wasn't true, but the second was true, the Empire wouldn't stand a chance. (The rebellion killed them without any outside help, chaos influence would completely destroy them.)

If neither has to worry about such things, I think I'd still give this one to the Imperium. Boarding actions would take care of the Deathstar and the largest classes of Star Destroyer. The rest would easily be crushed by the massive Imperial ships. Land actions would be no contest, the Empire is outclassed in every possible way.

Both factions require an emperor to continue remaining intact, but the Emperor of Man is a lot harder to take down, with all of Terra's fortifications. Emperor Palpatine has a habit of running around inspecting his Death Stars, and bringing his enemies into his room, I don't think he'd last that long.

In terms of mystical power, Palpatine and Vader are outdone by the legions of psykers under the Imperium's command.

**Frazzled**

Great Unlclean One wrote:
40K Imperium has nothing comparable to a death star. Sorry.

I beg to differ, well not imperium but come on. Abbadon's flagship can destroy PLANETS! Also death star got destroyed by an annoying little man in a silly shaped spacy ship so I reckon a strikecruiser could EASILY do it or a smurf battle barge.

Also yea, 40K would pwn ass! Only the good Star Wars guys left, bad guys dead and most jedi also dead so it's just a matter of mopping up the goey mess on the floor where chooie used to be...

over several hours. Death Star blew up Alderan in less than a second. Plus it was zapping cruisers with ease in ROTJ.
Hah hah my geekness beats your geekness.

Space: Empire> Imperium
On the ground: Imperium > Empire.

**Orkeosaurus**

With boarding actions, the Imperium can put its superior infantry to work in space as well, though.

Something the size of the Death Star, especially, would be vulnerable to such an attack. Look at what Luke and Obi were able to accomplish, imagine if they were space marines or temple assassins.

**Frazzled**

You have to be within a reasonable distance to teleport. Zsap Zsap no ships to get that close. Zsap Zsap! (TM)
Plus its shielded. Teleport doesn't work through shields. They also don't seem to have aproblem building ships unlike the Imperium. Having said that nothing in the movies about a capital ship going off and taking out an entire enemy fleet, which has occurred more than once in 40K land. Ram the Death Star with a cruiser, self destruct said cruiser and its OHCRAPIHOPETHEMPERORWASNTONTHEDEATHSTAR AGAIN time.

On the flip side they had 2MM clones in clone wars. Even multiplying that factor by 100 is nothing compared to the Imperium. heck thats only 1 large Valhallan regiment (new IG codex). I'll note the Sabbat Crusade had over 1Bn troops (from Sabbat Campaign book). Imperium transport capacity is unmatched by anything in the Empire.

Just think what the AM would do if they came across AT-ATs.

**Orkeosaurus**

The Imperium could do more than just run up and try to teleport.

The Empire evidently lets ships in that they catch with the tractor beam without too much security. How about a few Callidus assassins? They'd pretty much cripple the Death Star all by themselves, unless maybe Vader or Palpatine was aboard.

Also, as you said, the Imperium can levy a huge amount of ships; why not go in for an attack, while smaller ships drop pod/teleport/shuttle their troops in? You could throw termies on the surface of the Death Star, and they'd chainfist their way in.

Don't forget, the rebel fighters were able to get through the defense network on account of their size, and they weren't any smaller than a drop pod.

That much surface area is pretty much going to be impossible to defend simultaneously, when you talk about a ground invasion. And it really would be a ground invasion, the Death Star is huge. It probably has the population of a small country.

(I suppose it's also unknown whether or not the deflector shields in Star Wars could stop teleporting through the warp, but I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, simply because imaginary fights suck when you try and exploit subtle technological loopholes like that.)

Ultimately, boardings and rapid invasions are a huge part of the Imperium's combat potential; it's the reason Space Marine exist in the first place. I don't think the Death Star can really stand up to the Imperium in that regard, and I doubt anyone in the galaxy had the manpower or quality of infantry to attempt something like that in Star Wars.

**Frazzled**

Good points there.

**deadratman**

Yup. Starwars wuold die.They can't fight for crap because they want galactic peace with aliens.

**Mars.Techpriest**

The Imperium has no way to detect travel in hyperspace. Starwars has superior super-weapons, able to destroy Terra, (if not the entire sol system) with little recorse avaliable to the Imperium.

W/O superweapons, the Imperium has larger, more powerful base troops & ships.

**Emperors Faithful**

Perhaps Star Wars Travel is like the warp,
cept cleaner and less dangerous? If Imperium invaded the Star Wars universe they would benefit too. If Star Wars had a go at 40k, suddenly THEIR ships would be in peril.

Also, I think that if, AT ANY POINT, there was close combat involved, then Imperium would win. The only thing Star Wars has that gets even close is a Jedi. And how many of those are left? (evil grin)

Also, Titans. AT-AT Vs Emperor Class Titan = AT-AT breaking down and crapping itself.

**Exarch_Nektel**

Frazzled wrote:40K Imperium has nothing comparable to a death star. Sorry.

BLACK STONE FORTRESS.

**robertsjf**

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
Frazzled wrote:40K Imperium has nothing comparable to a death star. Sorry.

BLACK STONE FORTRESS.

Planetkiller!

**deadratman**

People keep saying that clone troopers are better than space marines. What the hell?There are over one thousand chapters with 1000 men each.And that is only one imperial organization. And besides 1000 x 1000=1000000 men! Plus Imperial guardsmen are numbering billions!That could over power rebels any day!

**Orkeosaurus**

Mars.Techpriest wrote:The Imperium has no way to detect travel in hyperspace.

The Empire has no way to detect travel in the Warp either, though.

Starwars has superior super-weapons, able to destroy Terra, (if not the entire sol system) with little recorse avaliable to the Imperium.

What do you mean by "Star Wars"?

The Empire only had the Death Star, and a few other, crappier ones. Death Star 2 was never even finished.

There are a lot more existing in the Star Wars universe, but who cares. If it's up against the 40k universe, who cares if Terra's destroyed? You don't need the Astronomicon when the gods of the Warp are guiding you. (Hell, Terra would probably become a daemon world anyways, so good luck killing that.)

Not to mention, the orks are more powerful than the Imperium anyways, and the tyranids and necrons are definitely up there. I don't see how Star Wars could win if they were up against all of those forces.

**Noble713**

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net
One of several "Sci-Fi Vs Debates" forums that has already covered this subject in in-depth, scientific and technical detail. Check out the "Grand 40k Sticky" at the top of the "Other Sci-Fi" sub-forum, which has at least FIVE major threads on this very subject.

The typical framework for debate is the M41 Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire at it's height (usually post-Yavin, so no Death Star but the Executor's are coming into service).

Long story short:

-Strategic initiative lies with the GE. With hyperdrive, capital ships can cross a galaxy in a few weeks... tops. Combine that with reliable instantaneous interstellar comms and the Empire can concentrate its forces for local superiority at almost every occasion.

-Production capacity lies with the GE. The shear quantity of material that went into producing the Death Star and Death Star II is something like tens of thousands of Star Destroyers EACH. Both of which were built in secret without a serious impact on the galaxy's GDP (unlike the Soviet Union's military in the Cold War).

-Capital ship firepower lies with the GE. Thanks to astrophysicist Curtis Saxton writing the ICS, Star Wars capital ships have been blessed with GT to TT (teraton) levels of firepower, when most major sci-fi shows/races are in the kT to MT range. I think 40k is low GT at best.

-The ground capabilities of the Imperium aren't very relevant. Once SW ships are parked in orbit, any concentrated ground forces can be reduced from space and the Stormtroopers et al. only have to mop up.

Any other conclusion is either poorly researched or simply ridiculous 40k fanboi spank, and I say that as probably a bigger 40k fan than SW fan. I like to think that I'm rational and mature enough to concede when one of my "pet" universes is outmatched. For example, Babylon 5 and to a lesser extent Renegade Legion (remember that game? I love that universe) are both pretty low on the totem pole of sci-fi phallus-waving.

EDIT: Oh, and if you get off on this sort of "my universe can beat up your universe" thing, just read Iain M. Banks' Culture novels and become a Culture fanboi, since they are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Them and races like the Xeelee.

**deadratman**

Star Wars guys can't fight. They're a bunch of old guys who can pull a couple of magic tricks.I mean they can kill some robots but they cant kill 1000000 space marines or 100000000000 tyranids.