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This is always an interesting ball to kick around, where do you all think the different factions fall on the moral compass here?

My score card, from most evil to least is:

1. Necrons
2. Chaos Daemons
3. Chaos Space Marines/Renegades
4. Dark Eldar
5. Imperium of Man
6. Decepticons
7. Eldar
8. Tau
9. Space Marines
10. Orks
11. Tyranids
12. Autobots

I don't think Tau belong where they are. You think they're more evil than Space marines? Space Marines sacrifice millions of souls to keep a dead emperor in stasis; human sacrifice and ritual are more evil than....Orks, that's for sure.

Tau are the greater good, not the mediocre evil.

The Imperium sacrifices millions of souls to the golden throne. Remember, though the space marines do what they can to protect human life, they are beyond humanity now, and are pretty much autonomous orginizations that don't answer to anyone but themselves, and for the most part, their intentions are noble...though their methods are very severe.

The reason I put the Tau where I did is: join our empire or be destroyed is not really a 'good' thing. If anything, the Tau are Lawful Neutral (to put it in D&D terms). Correct me if I'm wrong, but do the Tau not have a genetically superior ruling class that pretty much run the show, and while they may take other races into their fold, their really not worth the same as a true Tau?

Tyranids, and Orks are not evil. They do what they are desgined for. There is no malice in there actions.

Ere we GO!

Most Evil....
1. Chuck Norris
T2. Necrons
T2. Chihuahuas
3. Dark Eldar
4. Chaos Daemons
T5. Chaos Marines
T5. Space marines
T6. Imperium
T6. Decpticons
7. Eldar
8. Tyrinid
9.Orks
10. Tau
11. AutoBots
12. Chuck Norris
Least evil.

On a scale of 1-10

Nurgle Daemons: 5, Papa nurgle loves you, whether you like it or not.
Khorne Daemons:10 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Tzeentch Daemons: 9 Manipulative and deceitful for the sake of being manipulative and deceitful
Slaanesh Daemons: 8 Selfish, destructive, and stupid.

Nurgle CSM: 4 They just want a hug from their favorite grampa!
Khorne CSM: 10 See the above khornate entry
Tzeentch CSM: 7 Power hungry, but often played as pawns
Slaanesh CSM: 6 Selfish, In it for themselves and nothing else. would be a 0 if they didnt take their pleasure from others.

Daemonhunters: 3, Selflessly fight evil for the sake of fighting evil, but for the wrong masters.

Dark Eldar: 9 Come on.

Eldar: 3, "My only remaining pleasure is to bring death to the enemies of my Craft World."

IG: 5, the individual guardsmen are ok, but they fight for a corrupt system and corrupt masters

Necrons: 0, they are being controlled. The C'tan are a 10 though.

Orks: 2, they dont know any better. If left along they woud fight among themselves forever and be happy.

Space Marines: 6, same reasons as IG, but they know exactly who they are fighting for and why.

Tau: 3, they really believe their way is best, but the ethereal's methods are questionable, and they are far too aggressive for a lower rating.

Tyranids: 0, they are mindless. Are Lions evil? What if they were 1000 times more efficient?

Witchhunters: 8, all the corruption, tyranny, and ignorance of blind faith, except with nearly unlimited power.

Necrons aren't evil. They are just machines. Machines are morally neutral, it is the usage of the machine that decides its alignment. The C'Tan however are very very evil. And the C'Tan use the Necrons for very very evil purposes. Like snuffing out life and collecting souls.

No one is evil, everyone has a valid viewpoint or is trying to do what they think is best. Labeling something evil is just short sighted ethnocentrism.

avantgarde wrote:No one is evil, everyone has a valid viewpoint or is trying to do what they think is best. Labeling something evil is just short sighted ethnocentrism.

I agree 50%
Evil is subjective, in my opinion evil is anything done that harms people for the sake of harming people. Perhaps that is ethnocentric, but it is not short sighted.

Orks, 'Nids, Tau, Eldar, Joe the brainwashed Guardsman, Bob the average Necron.

None of these people are evil, although some are selfish to an extreme extent.
Killing millions of innocents to save 1 Eldar life (so yes, humans think its evil... how many chickens do we kill for food? Similar situation. no, its not the same, its similar).
Enforcing what you think is the best way of life on other people to save them... Wait, do we do that in real life? Oh yes, so we do.
Holding the line against monstrous aliens/heretics with daemons/Traitors to protect your home?
Doing what you've been genetically engineered to do?
Doing something because you're a puppet of some evil god?

I very much doubt any of the above could not justify their actions to almost any other member of their race, at least.
Everyone ELSE, has issues.

EDIT: I say that, but is Ciaphas Cain evil? Really? Is he high in the heirachy of the army invading a peaceful planet that wants to change allegiance from the corpse-thing they're supposed to worship?

dark eldar should be at the top, as they do it willingly and for fun. Chaos is moreso corrupted.

Dark Eldar don't really get a choice. They may enjoy it, but it prevents Slaanesh from eating their souls.

viney wrote:Ere we GO!

Most Evil....
1. Chuck Norris
T2. Necrons
T2. Chihuahuas
3. Dark Eldar
4. Chaos Daemons
T5. Chaos Marines
T5. Space marines
T6. Imperium
T6. Decpticons
7. Eldar
8. Tyrinid
9.Orks
10. Tau
11. AutoBots
12. Chuck Norris
Least evil.

Wait, decepticons are less evil then Space Marines?

Exarch_Nektel wrote:Wait, decepticons are less evil then Space Marines?

This is news?

avantgarde wrote:No one is evil, everyone has a valid viewpoint or is trying to do what they think is best. Labeling something evil is just short sighted ethnocentrism.

Ooooh, look at the deep thought, did someone just take a sociology class? Seriously, we know morality is subjective, but I think that we can agree that say, torturing and killing someone else for pleasure, regardless of the views of the society they originate from, is a BAD thing. One might even call it evil; we can go into the "evil is fear and good is the joy of love" if we want to, but that's not the purpose of the exercise.

About them Necrons though, don't forget that they willingly gave their bodies over in the tech exchange with the C'Tan for POWAH, ABSOLUTE POWAH as well as immortality and the chance to destroy their rivals, the old ones. It also seems that they do still possess personality and independent thought after the process, remember, the Necrons still have culture...they've created automata servants for menial work but they are far from it themselves; they just don't WANT to communicate with anyone else, it seems.

Though it does mention in a piece of fluff that when they suffer extensive damage constantly, and self-repair a lot, they do lose pieces of who they used to be.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Dark Eldar don't really get a choice. They may enjoy it, but it prevents Slaanesh from eating their souls.

Yeah but if Slaanesh went away tomorrow, the dark eldar wouldn't really change how they do things.

Nobody_Holme wrote:

Exarch_Nektel wrote:Wait, decepticons are less evil then Space Marines?

This is news?

bull$hit.

Anybody who gets off on torture shoots to the top of the evil ladder in my book. Dark Eldar at No. 1 methinks.

Flashman wrote:Anybody who gets off on torture shoots to the top of the evil ladder in my book. Dark Eldar at No. 1 methinks.

By your logic, I'm above them.

EDIT: Dont feed the troll, me.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:

Flashman wrote:Anybody who gets off on torture shoots to the top of the evil ladder in my book. Dark Eldar at No. 1 methinks.

By your logic, I'm above them.

Ooh, kinky.

Sorry, what I said was trolling. I apologize.

Yeah, I'd put Dark Eldar at the top of the list. I think necrons are just going through the motions of evil. Their hearts just aren't in it anymore. Dark Eldar, however, are innovators and pioneers even after all this time. Their joy in their work really shows, and you gotta give 'em props for their commitment after all these millenia. Evil may save them from Slaanesh, but Slaanesh was created from their acts. They were so frikken' depraved that the other chaos gods wouldn't touch 'em with a ten-foot pole. Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeench all looked at their reign of debauchery and terror and thought "..jeez, that's just SICK."

sigh. I wish they had better models. I really have a soft spot for those freaky sado-masochists.

Jervis the nerfer

karnaeya wrote:Jervis the nerfer

I love Jervis's tactical tips. they're so vague that they leave me with worse tactics that the ones I already had.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:Sorry, what I said was trolling. I apologize.

Not who I was reffering to, but hey.

Jervis is amusing.

Also, S&M is fun. More please? ^^

I'd say the Dark Eldar are the most evil. Due to them...Well getting enjoyment from the suffering of others.

 RxGhost wrote:
This is always an interesting ball to kick around, where do you all think the different factions fall on the moral compass here?

My score card, from most evil to least is:

1. Necrons
2. Chaos Daemons
3. Chaos Space Marines/Renegades
4. Dark Eldar
5. Imperium of Man
6. Decepticons
7. Eldar
8. Tau
9. Space Marines
10. Orks
11. Tyranids

I don't see Nids as Evil, they are too bestial for such thoughts
Which is why Daemons are less Evil than Marines
Marines made a choice for Good and Evil
Daemons are a Primal Force

1. Chaos Space Marines
2. Imperium of Man
3. Chaos Daemons
4. Dark Eldar
5. Eldar
6. Tau
7. Orks
8. Necrons
9. Tyranids

 Canonness Rory wrote:

avantgarde wrote:No one is evil, everyone has a valid viewpoint or is trying to do what they think is best. Labeling something evil is just short sighted ethnocentrism.

I agree 50%
Evil is subjective, in my opinion evil is anything done that harms people for the sake of harming people. Perhaps that is ethnocentric, but it is not short sighted.

This is a very amusing exchange.

Evil presumes a choice, true.
A choice to cause disorder and make virtuous action more difficult or impossible.
Virtue tends to be regarded as doing best what you are able to do through personal dedication towards a higher good, typically taken to be the good of one's community.

So, we see a lot of evil in contemporary "law and order" e.g. wars on XYZ that only end up hurting people, factory farming where sustainable organic farming would be better for every living thing in the long run, and so on.

It seems that, of all of the powers that be in the 40k universe,
many of the Imperium are following in the path of the Dark Eldar,
others on the path of Khorne,
others Tzeentch (who already knows how it will turn out for them, but probably wonders why they chose that way in the first place).
We see similar dynamics at work in the contemporary world,
though also we see evidence that the four Chaos gods do not work alone,
but always seem to show up together.

Given the above account, I would have to list Evil -> Good:

0) Chaos daemons (no choice, the definition of evil, so a limit that living beings can only approach)
1) Dark Eldar.
2) Chaos marines (given that they had a choice with understanding, so maybe not Thousand Sons so much for example, not #1 because some had very good reasons for choice otherwise than the emperor and many were deceived or crazy form the start).
3) Necrons (because most/many/some had a choice and chose viciously though depending on who you ask now most are machines).
4) Inquisition (Right is might, and mine alone! - not including Demon Hunters, some Xenos hunters, and so on - those I save room for at the bottom).
5) The Empire/Imperial leadership/ most human beings I suppose (have choices, mostly eff things up, lazy and malicious, with some room for others at the bottom of the list).
6) Tau (fish live in schools, impossible to separate their interests from common interests, but still in line with the account of social virtue above, though some individual Tau may belong at 5 instead I guess)
Tied for 6) Orks (a force of nature, with a different sense of virtue)
7) (non-dark) Eldar (fighting the good fight, sacrificing for virtue and beauty till the end, though by now many are scarred by so much loss and sadness, the choice was made and this thread made the right one).
8) Human beings who actually do the right things for the right reasons (Demon hunters, some Xenos hunters, and so on).

Not listed - Nids. I don't imagine virtue is recognized in Niddian society. Maybe so, pheromonal or chemical virtue, who knows... Don't want to guess. These are space versions of the black worms that crawl up an arse from a mutated toilet - can't blame the worm, or the arse, and the toilet, well, this describes the situation pretty well.)

 Canonness Rory wrote:
On a scale of 1-10

Nurgle Daemons: 5, Papa nurgle loves you, whether you like it or not.
Khorne Daemons:10 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Tzeentch Daemons: 9 Manipulative and deceitful for the sake of being manipulative and deceitful
Slaanesh Daemons: 8 Selfish, destructive, and stupid.

Nurgle CSM: 4 They just want a hug from their favorite grampa!
Khorne CSM: 10 See the above khornate entry
Tzeentch CSM: 7 Power hungry, but often played as pawns
Slaanesh CSM: 6 Selfish, In it for themselves and nothing else. would be a 0 if they didnt take their pleasure from others.

Nurgle Daemons: 9, Unnatural to life, and lives to break what is Natural
Khorne Daemons:1 Borderline still a Primal Force, Death is a part of Life
Tzeentch Daemons: 10 Almost the strict definition of Evil. Seriously ffs
Slaanesh Daemons: 5 This is like petty levels of Evil, The every day minor Evils.

I don't remember the story lines 100% but let's see I'm
Tzeentch CSM: 0 These guys are arguably the least Evil Space Marines in the game. Everything they tried to do was for the Good of others. They are literally the Baudelaire Children in a Series of Unfortunate Events. Everything bad happens to them, and they are still trying to do good.