Chaos gods vs the Emporer?

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**Xav**

Someone mentioned in another thread that when the emporer was fighting Horus, he probaly let himself get beat up to shoot a big blast into Horus's mind destroying the chaos gods.

If the chaos gods are made of humanity emotions, then would the emporer be killing apart of humanity?
If he did, wouldnt he just be dooming the Imperium to EPIC FAIL, as they would be re-created in the warp from everyone's emotions again, so by near killing himself to kill chaos gods, he was dooming the Imperium?

Now the Emporer was pretty smart, so he would have know this, was it just how badass Horus was that put the corpse on the throne?

If the Emporer realy cared that much about humanity he would have outright killed Horus, if he could

?

So Emporer of Humanity was he Weak of heart? Weak of Mind? idiotic? Or just damn weak

**Emperors Faithful**

I don't think the Chaos gods are techinically MADE from te said emotions, it seems more likely that they draw power from it.

Emperor probably wasn't going to kill Horus (just defeat and imprison him) until he saw the shattered body of Sanguinius lying at his feet. Then it was game on. Also, Horus was directly BACKED by the chaos gods, the Emperor was having difficulty taking him down (think of the chaos gods as a mega-steroid booster), I don't think the Emprah was planning to kill the Chaos Gods through killing Horus.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

He saw Sanguinius's body at Horus' feet when he first entered the room. It was Horus' killing of the one Guardsman who's name I forget that made the emperor realize that Horus had gone to far.

**Emperors Faithful**

...So the Emprah liked a guardsman more than Sanguinius? Mabye he didn't realise Sanguinius was dead...

**VictorVonTzeentch**

No he knew he was dead.

**Cryonicleech**

If the Emperor couldn't have killed them, why were they so afraid of him?

Something tells me had he not died, that he could.

**Jungle0731**

Were they afraid of him or were they afraid of 18 legions on the rampage? In terms of force I can not think of any other race that could even compete.

**Manchu**

Cryonicleech wrote:If the Emperor couldn't have killed them, why were they so afraid of him?

Something tells me had he not died, that he could.

And something tells me that Cryonicleech is 100% correct.

**Emperors Faithful**

I don't think the Emprah could have KILLED, or wiped out the chaos gods. But mabye he could have bound them? Shackled them and drained them of thier power and ability to harm or corrupt others?

**Manchu**

Okay, can we all accept the verb "neutralize"? He would have neutralized them as threat to mankind.

**Emperors Faithful**

Manchu wrote:Okay, can we all accept the verb "neutralize"? He would have neutralized them as threat to mankind.

Got it!

**Xav**

The emporer was the descentants of some great phykers that kept getting re-incarnated, and then they stopped getting re-incarnated, so they all commited mass suciude to create the emprah, about 50,000 years ago, so the chaos gods been created literally of negitive emotions, alot stronger than just earth'd phyker.

**Alpharius**

Xav wrote:Theemporer was the descentants of some great phykers that kept getting re-incarnated, and then they stopped getting re-incarnated, so they all commited mass suciude to create the emprah, about 50,000 years ago, so the chaos gods been created literally of negitive emotions, alot stronger than just earth'd phyker.

Shop 'til you drop baby!

Anyway...

I'm not sure that the mass suicide because they saw that soon they wouldn't be able to reincarnate anymore storyline is considered canon anymore by GW.

I not saying it isn't, I'm just not sure that it is.

And yes, I believe that the Emperor's plan was to eventually 'neutralize' the Chaos Gods.

And as much as a don't like the background about the "Imperial Webway', I think that was his first step.

Which may have hacked off the Eldar enough to get them involved (OK, they were certainly involved) in manipulating events to THEIR best outcome.

The Cabal and Legion and all that...

**Xav**

Legion was a great twist.

**Cheese Elemental**

BrotherStynier wrote:He saw Sanguinius's body at Horus' feet when he first entered the room. It was Horus' killing of the one Guardsman who's name I forget that made the emperor realize that Horus had gone to far.

Ollanius Pius. The most hardcore guardsman ever to exist. A lone man, an average Joe, stood up to Chaos Incarnate. Sure, he died almost instantly, but he had balls of adamantium.

**Exarch_Nektel**

Before, the Emperor would have won (that's why the Chaos gods started the heresy).

Now, Chaos gods would win.

**Xav**

Not that straight forwards, the chaos gods feed on negitive emotion, they care nothing for the material realm, but the emprah was causing alot of pain and suffering but he was uniting eventually everyone would be friends

He was meddling and cause a warp storm or something in the warp, and it was pising the chaos gods off.

The chaos gods can never truly be defeated.
If the emporer tried to contain them, they would grow stronger, they are being of pure physic energy, while life exists the chaos gods exist.

Anyway the emporer couldn't contain the chaos gods anyway, not all four of them.

The emporer is a being of pure physic enery is he not a god, a chaos gods, made of the good emotions, but more interested in the material world?

**Emperors Faithful**

He could cut them off from the material world though, couldn't he? Strengthen the barriers of reality that deamons strive to break through? Close the Eye of Terror? Pacify the warp storms so there is smooth sailing for the Imperial Ships, no?

**Xav**

It clearly stated in several book, codexs and horus heresy books, that the chaos gods have no interest in the material realm and its the lesser demons who want to break through, now the chaos gods and the Emporer are both pure being of physic energy, now if the chaos gods focused all there physic powers, they could most probaly send there servants through.

As they do alot of the fluff let the lesser dudes through.

**Emperors Faithful**

But I meant that by cutting off the Gods ability to attack the Imperium via deamons and such.

**Xav**

Well they do attack the imperium regually, and as i said before they dont have any interest in the material relam, they dont care, they only focused on the material realm once, and they nearly brought down the Imperium by using what the Emporer created against him, they havnt focused on the material realm since, i think.

There not bothered about the Imperium now, the emporer was meddling in his little lab in terror, and destroy parts of the warp if i am correct, so now thats over.

**Emperors Faithful**

But they do care about the immaterium, otherwise they wouldn't send their minions and such to pillage and destroy the worlds of 40k. (Look at the Gheistos Cataclysm, pg 152 of the BRB)

**Xav**

Its been said several times that this BRB is aload of crap fluff wise, sometimes they might fight or they probally get bored.

And if the BRB was right, that means your agreeing with me that the chaos gods could do what they want, because they break through into the material realm in that story.

**Frazzled**

meh Mork n Ork pwon all those chumps.

WAUGHH, its whats for breakfast!

**Manchu**

I don't think Gork and Mork are actual beings like the Chaos "gods."

**Alpharius**

Actually, I think they are!

Aren't they?

**Dark Lord Seanron**

It wasn't the fact that Horus killed a Guardsmen (or Custodes, I dunno which once is the official fluff now) that got the Emperor riled, but it was the fact that Horus did it so callously. The Emperor saw there was no hope for Horus in that one act of off-hand maliciousness.

**deadratman**

Anyone could take on the emperor right now. Even the Janitor. All someone would have to do is acciddentally unplug him and leave him there for the night.

**Manchu**

Alpharius wrote:Actually, I think they are!

Aren't they?

I haven't seen anything to suggest that they are. I haven't read the new codex, however.

deadratman wrote:Anyone could take on the emperor right now. Even the Janitor. All someone would have to do is acciddentally unplug him and leave him there for the night.

This is the umpteenth time someone has made the unplug joke in this thread.

**Xav**

Gork and Mork are gods, they exist in the warp and are incredibly powerful, in mentions that the chaos gods trembled when they woke.

Well lets say Gork and Mork are created from emotion like the chaos gods, now if they only get emotions from orks then they gonna be incredibly powerful, which they are.

Now does that mean the chaos gods dont feed off ork emotion, are they reserved for Gork and Mork.