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2009/07/21 21:05:32
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Was this all Retconned? I feel that I read it was a total and complete retcon somewhere.....
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2009/07/21 21:06:18
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thankfully that bilge was dumped from the background years ago.
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2009/07/21 21:09:19
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Calculating Commissar
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Yea no mention of it in the last 3 editions. Looks like once the Golden Throne fails, that's it.
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2009/07/21 21:34:53
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Solahma
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Nurglitch wrote:Thankfully that bilge was dumped from the background years ago.
QFT, thank the Emperor.
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2009/07/21 21:37:32
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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I didn't mind the Illuminati stuff, but the Sensei and Star Child was crap.
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2009/07/21 21:42:24
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Solahma
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I thought all of it was too definitive to have a lasting place in 40k. It just doesn't leave enough to the imagination. I don't see that stuff coming back, either. Contrast it to the current HH stuff which leaves plenty of room for debate over the Emperor's divinity/identity. On the other hand, a hint of the illuminati stuff has been preserved in the form of the Inquisition.
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2009/07/21 21:54:22
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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Dreadwinter wrote:I didn't mind the Illuminati stuff, but the Sensei and Star Child was crap.
I've barely heard of illuminati, and I've never head of Sensei or Star Child.
Enlighten me.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/21 22:46:08
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Solahma
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Alright * deep breath* in a nutshell:
The Emperor is really the combination of souls of thousands of reincarnating psyker shamans.
He sired (in the old fashioned way, with women) ageless sons called the Sensei. This was apparently in preparation for an end-of-the-world battle with Chaos.
The Illuminati is a secret society of former demonhosts who want to reincarnate the Emperor.
The want to sacrifice the sensei in order to accomplish this because currently the Emperor's soul is drifting around in the warp as the Star Child.
All this weirdo business comes from the Realms of Chaos books.
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2009/07/22 00:01:59
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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None of the background has been retconned so it is still valid. However, as other have said it hasn't been mentioned again by the Games Designers except in little hints here and there.
If you choose to ignore it due to that reason it's up to you but there's lots of background that hasn't been mentioned for ages and I doubt many people would question its validity.
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Show me your god and I'll send you a warhead because my god's bigger than your god. |
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2009/07/22 01:19:22
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Solahma
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Gogsnik wrote:None of the background has been retconned so it is still valid. However, as other have said it hasn't been mentioned again by the Games Designers except in little hints here and there.
If you choose to ignore it due to that reason it's up to you but there's lots of background that hasn't been mentioned for ages and I doubt many people would question its validity.
I think that some of it has been superseded by the Inquisitor books and background. If not superseded, then at least heavily modified and obscured. I'm thinking especially of the Thorian belief system. This isn't a straight-up retcon but if you want something that was once definite to become indefinite, a straight-up retcon is not the way to go.
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2009/07/22 17:52:06
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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That's certainly true, much of the Thorian background is very similar to the old Illuminati background but if you wanted a continuity of background then you could easily say that the Illuminati used/infiltrated the Inquisition or that the Inquisition had come into contact with Illuminati and more-or-less stole their ideas.
If you look at the one line of recent background that has the Inquisition right the Sensei off as a Tzeentchian plot then it certainly makes sense with regards to the older material. I think it makes the game a bit more fun to try and weave the older background into the newer background like that and that's without putting the whole Orwell 40K spin on it either.
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Be Pure!
Be Vigilant!
BEHAVE!
Show me your god and I'll send you a warhead because my god's bigger than your god. |
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2009/07/22 21:51:56
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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The thing is that the emperor's will is wavering. The Illuminati want to gather the sensei and sacrifice them so that the emperor's soul will rejuvenate and so he can lead humanity once more. IIRC it also mentions that once the sensei-emperor is reborn his psycic powers will be so strong that he will be able to light the whole galaxy without the astronomicon
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2009/07/22 22:17:43
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
The great state of Florida
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I have always liked this fluff.
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2009/07/22 22:31:15
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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It IS great!
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2009/07/22 22:34:14
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Maddening Mutant Boss of Chaos
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I've always thought the shaman suicides=emprah was a bit lame. But the idea of the star child makes sense if you consider that the warp gods were created by massive amounts of emotion, and feed on devotion and sacrifice. Now consider how much devotion and sacrifice the emperor receives. So in a way I can totally see a new god of humanity being created. Maybe formed by the emotions of self sacrifice or something like that.
My favorite myth is the one where the emperor is basically being held captive in the throne by the Lords of Terra, and Cypher is on his way to kill the emp. and let him reincarnate as the star child.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah.  One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
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2009/07/23 00:24:24
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Solahma
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No doubt the idea that the Emperor will return in even greater glory is very appealing. It's also the end of Warhammer 40k.
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2009/07/23 02:38:12
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Armored Iron Breaker
Lookin' fur daemons ta' fight!
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I think that the emperor being reborn through some other warp entity is very appealing.
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2009/07/23 20:49:30
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Dispassionate Imperial Judge
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I don't mind the idea of the Star Child, and if i was a developer I'd only drop hints here and there and never explain it either.
It's just the words 'Illuminati' and 'Sensei' - they're awful NAMES...
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2009/07/23 20:58:23
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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Manchu wrote:
He sired (in the old fashioned way, with women) ageless sons called the Sensei. This was apparently in preparation for an end-of-the-world battle with Chaos.
Dude. I thought that was the fluff for the old ones.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/23 23:29:10
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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ArbitorIan wrote:It's just the words 'Illuminati' and 'Sensei' - they're awful NAMES...
QFT. Seriously, ugh.
Exarch_Nektel wrote:Dude. I thought that was the fluff for the old ones.
Not exactly sure what you mean but my inclination is to respond "Yes, that's right."
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2009/07/28 01:38:52
Subject: Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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ArbitorIan wrote:
It's just the words 'Illuminati' and 'Sensei' - they're awful NAMES...
Well just go on wikipedia and type in Illuminati and then tell its a bad name. I do agree with you on 'sensei' thats just downright awful.
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2009/07/31 05:27:33
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Charging Wild Rider
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I like the idea of the emporer coming back but not like that gak says it will happen
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2009/07/31 07:43:29
Subject: Re:Illuminati/Sensei/Star Child
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Im the same I want The Emperor come back and humanity resume its Manifest Destiny to rule the stars. I really like the thought of both the Illuminati and Sensei tho as stated before the could have given the Illuminati a better name, and the Sensei a better one to, but there pary in the story was kinda cool. The only other way The Emperor could come back that Ive heard in fluff is The Tree of Life That Russ went looking for and hate to say, mite have died trying to find it.
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