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A kid came into our LGS today looking at some 40k mini's, and when asked if she wanted to see how the game works this was her reply, "My parents said that this game is too violent and that it would be better if I spent my money on video games"....... WTH is the world coming to? 40K thought to me more violent than most video games??!! There's no swearing, no violence, not even violent theme's (other than things like a dreadnought holding a dead ork or something like that). I don't think she was joking either.......





-Orkishly

We have the same thing happen here as well sometimes.Amazing how screwed up peoples perspectives are.

What her parents really meant was: "we don't want you hanging around with creepy fat dudes in their thirties who play with toys..."

CT GAMER wrote:What her parents really meant was: "we don't want you hanging around with creepy fat dudes in their thirties who play with toys..."

TOY'S??!!! I'd prefer if you called them "artistic models" and if that fails call them "Models"....OR ELSE.




EDIT- I know some people who don't like their kids playing with toy guns OR model guns yet the kids play cod WaW, halo 3 etc.

No 40k but they can play WaW? Oh please. You can gib anyone you want with almost every gun. You can light people on fire and everyone has the mouth of the superfluous pissed trucker. Parents need to get their effing priorities straight. If I had kids they wouldn't touch an M game for quite some time, much less Cod WaW...

People never cease to amaze me.

Rico.

And of course, there are absolutly no video games out there that somehow manage not to have violence in them... *goes back to tetris*

That's pretty hilarious.
If anything, WArhammer, be it Fantasy or 40k, is LESS violent than video games.
Video games have all the blood graphics and the violence in movement while Warhammer only has armed miniatures just standing there. >.>


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Lanceradvanced wrote:And of course, there are absolutly no video games out there that somehow manage not to have violence in them... *goes back to tetris*

While that is true, do the kid's parents really intend to restrict their children to nonviolent videogames?

InquisitorBob wrote:That's pretty hilarious.
If anything, WArhammer, be it Fantasy or 40k, is LESS violent than video games.
Video games have all the blood graphics and the violence in movement while Warhammer only has armed miniatures just standing there. >.>


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Lanceradvanced wrote:And of course, there are absolutly no video games out there that somehow manage not to have violence in them... *goes back to tetris*

While that is true, do the kid's parents really intend to restrict their children to nonviolent videogames?

That's what the guy on store duty said

I don't think parents ever need to censor their children.

Cocaloch wrote:I don't think parents ever need to censor their children.

Some things I agree with parents censoring, but a game played with little models holding guns in cool poses? I think not my dear Watson.

Rico wrote:No 40k but they can play WaW? Oh please. You can gib anyone you want with almost every gun. You can light people on fire and everyone has the mouth of the superfluous pissed trucker. Parents need to get their effing priorities straight. If I had kids they wouldn't touch an M game for quite some time, much less Cod WaW...

People never cease to amaze me.

Rico.

Could it be that some parents are not ACTUALLY paying attention to what their kids are doing? Heavens no....

Comming from a background where all my media intake was censored, I can saftly say censorship does far more harm than good. Besides kids will always find a way around it, for me it was the library and my FLGS which had some of the books I was not allowed to read. That and INTRAWEB SKILLZ!

Cocaloch wrote:Comming from a background where all my media intake was censored, I can saftly say censorship does far more harm than good. Besides kids will always find a way around it, for me it was the library and my FLGS which had some of the books I was not allowed to read. That and INTRAWEB SKILLZ!

Yes but that doesn't mean a little bit of censoring is good. Are you saying that parents should go let their kids play GTA 4 at the age of 6?

Sure why not?

Whether or not children know about fantasy worlds matters far less than whether or not they understand the real world.

It sets a precident that makes it easy for parents to justify censoring other more important things.

I think you all may be missing the point.

When I owned a store I had some parents who let there son play and hang out in the store but would not let there daughter of the same age do likewise.

Eventually they confided that the older (adults)gamers hanging around a store full of kids creeped them out with regards to there daughter...

CT GAMER wrote:I think you all may be missing the point.

When I owned a store I had some parents who let there son play and hang out in the store but would not let there daughter of the same age do likewise.

Eventually they confided that the older (adults)gamers hanging around a store full of kids creeped them out with regards to there daughter...

My younger sister plays and she's younger than me. If I were a parent I would rather my child at GW alone than some random clothing store or the mall.





EDIT- Considering age. The age she was I wouldn't mind if my own daughter (if I had one) was there for awhile alone, but then again it might be because I'm a gamer and know almost everyone at my local GW. I find that GW is safer than the mall or a regular store.

InquisitorBob wrote: While that is true, do the kid's parents really intend to restrict their children to nonviolent videogames?

Apparenly... that's one of those things, that might be called um.. what's the word.. oh yes.."parenting" And since they seem to have enough of a lock on the kids wallet to keep him from buying 40k, I don't see why their parental control would suddenly slip once they enter a Gamestop..

Meanwhile, overheard at B&N where I work..

Mom:"How about this book?"
Kid:"But mom LOOK AT THE BACK! IT SAYS ZEUS" (Percy Jackson)
Mom:"It looks like a good book"
Kid:"I DON'T WANT TO READ A BOOK THAT HAS A GOD NOT FROM MY RELIGION!"

Face it, the Warhammer 40k setting is not exactly a fun and happy place (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000), and some parents -might- be concerned about it, and might direct their kids not nonexistant supply of well made, but not as violent videogames out there..

Just because -you- think of the latest FPS out there, doesn't mean the kid does when he says video game..

Lanceradvanced wrote:Meanwhile, overheard at B&N where I work..

Mom:"How about this book?"
Kid:"But mom LOOK AT THE BACK! IT SAYS ZEUS" (Percy Jackson)
Mom:"It looks like a good book"
Kid:"I DON'T WANT TO READ A BOOK THAT HAS A GOD NOT FROM MY RELIGION!"

He should be a Wiccan. Then every god will be from his religion.



Also, as interesting side note, two posts down from this one there is currently a thread about a space marine army named The Cannibal Legion.

I dunno... instant death from a railgun can be pretty gruesome. Only the hardest individuals can keep their lunch down after seeing it.

Maybe the parents were trying to protect there kid from what they see as a socially awkard people that they think play 40k.

I would certainly try to keep my kids away from 40K, just as I would try to keep them away from heroin.
The two are comparable in both price and addictiveness after all.

Just had a look at tvtropes and found something amusing, under 'One Million' If the following (emphasis mine)

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Nobody ever comments zilch about seeing entire Redshirt Armies being blown apart. But when Kamina dies, the whole cast spends three full chapters mourning his death.

Just made me chuckle at the thought of a space marine walking into each GW and blasting away at the staff

40k would be the most viloent thing outthere if what was happening actually wa happening

garret wrote:Maybe the parents were trying to protect there kid from what they see as a socially awkard people that they think play 40k.

So by that logic are l33t video gamers socially slowed? I think I see what you are saying Garrett, but at least with 40k you actually get to look somebody in the eye. Listening some 12 year old screaming into his X-Box live mic is not my idea of a good time.

Edit: If a parent seriously thinks that 40k is too violent then they might as well join an Amish community or something (nothing against the Amish). I grew up shooting things with bb-guns and throwing rocks at bottles. How could collecting (and ideally painting) little plastic men be that bad? I think parents nowadays need to spend a little less time watching TLC and trying to keep their tan perfect, and just spend sometime trying to raise their child in a way that won't cause the kids to become either emo or a slut.

I can't believe I'm going to be a parent in 3 weeks. How time is flying.

I played video games rated far and above my age at the time I got them, same with movies.

I've never run someone over and then gone back and shot them in the head. I hesitate even to kill a fly (and will capture it and throw it outside instead), yet I love violent games and to a lesser extent, films.

So long as the parents are aware of what their kids are doing so they can step in, that is fine.

As much as I enjoyed doom and quake as a young 'un, there are some things that I would pause in letting my theoretical children do.

If they were interested in, say, wargaming, and I would not be all that happy letting them hang around a GW store on their own.

Some of the people in there (especially the staff I have found) creep me out slightly. I would certainly supervise them until I had either made sure that they would be safe, or had gotten to the age where I thought that they would not be in danger of anything untowards happening to them.

The same with any other activity, I would take a look at it and make sure that I was happy with them doing it before I just put a blanket ban on them doing it. If they still really wanted to do it, and it was something like the situation above, I would supervise them while they did it.

I can't think off the top of my head of anything that I would actively stop my child doing though.

It is when you see parents just paying for 18 cert games and films (games are something I particularly notice parents buying for their kids) without taking a blind bit of notice of what it is they are buying that I worry. Especially since the kids often arn't even big enough to see over the counter...

At least those parents were concerned about what their child was doing and had access to, even if they could perhaps be accused of being a little too cotton wool about it.

Heh.
My parents used to try and control what kinda videogames I played. They encouraged RPG's (and I thank them for that, it's how I learned english, it's my 2nd language ) and wouldn't buy me violent platform games.

Then one day my father bought me a platform shooter called Operation Logic Bomb, thinking I'd have to use smarts to play it cause it had the word "logic" in it. Har har.

So yeah... between that and them not minding I used to spend countless hours playing GoldenEye with friends, killing each other all day long, I seriously doubt video game control is any useful in the long run.

Unsurprisingly, they encouraged my playing Warhammer 40k (that must have been 2nd edition back then!) because A) painting and modelling helped me develop artistic talent and manual dexterity, and B) the game itself requires strategy, which they encouraged.

So to expand on my earlier post.... Parents should seriously try to know what a game is about before saying Yay or Nay.

My dad let me play duke nukem, doom and quake 1+2 on his PC when I was less than 10. I turned out OK. *cough*

Seriously though, 40k is the least violent game ever. There is no blood spraying across the table or anything. Granted, there may be adult themes but mollycoddling your children is just going to lead to problems in later life. If they grow up thinking life is peachy and everything is nice they are going to get a *nasty* shock.

I do recall reading a story either in the old Tau or Eldar codex about a group of rangers who get ambushed by a squad of Kroot. Anyone remember that? The last paragraph is about the reanger's last sight was the kroot shaper pulling her heart out of her chest and eating it. That story scarred me as much and M&M's song "stan" did (when I was in 6th grade).

I like to think that the parents want to be able to have there kids sit in front of a TV so the parents aren't bothered instead of having their kid come up to them every 5 mins of painting and saying "LOOK AT WHAT I DID! LOOK AT THIS! LOOK AT THAT!", you get the pic. My girlfriend is sick of it just as much as my mom used to be.

I have known some kids my age who were protected from the real world. My ex-best friend is still so sheltered that he gets nervous when he sees me in tight jeans, and my younger cousin grew up being sheltered too, then, like all kids, started exploring the real world, no he's failed to graduate HS and just smokes a bunch of pot.