Practical uses of weapons and such...

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**Kall3m0n**

Are there any infosites on internet that describes how weapons are used?
I mean, like, the machanics INSIDE the weapons ans stuff like that.
I also want to know how those creatues the Orks use as hair are fastened to the skin.

Are there any online infornation like that?
Preferably illustrated.

**Emperors Faithful**

If we understood how half the stuff worked, it wouldn't be Science FICTION.

I do know that bolters fire explosive shells that detonate INSIDE the flesh, liquefying the insides. And lasguns are superheated something. And melta's are super-heated metal. (basically shooting lava at stuff)

**Kall3m0n**

Yeah, but i want to know how they work INSIDE... The mechanism behind actually fireing and reloading etc...
There is always some people with an unhealthy interest that make sharts and figure out how they would work if they, in fact, where real...

**BlackSpike**

Hairy Squigs are small squigs that consist of mainly teeth and a long hair-like tail.
Orks place these squigs on their head (and other places!) and make them bite on. This leaves a long hair-like effect, with patterns such as top-knots, mohawks etc being made by how the squigs are arranged.

**Kall3m0n**

Yeah, exactly....
That's what I was looking for...
Those Orks with "hair" lika a ponytail on their head... Is it a single Squig or is it more? How much hair (in thickness) have and how long can it get? Do Orks cut their hair? Is it possible to see the Squigg with the naked eye? Do the Hair Squigg come in different sizes with different amounts of hair? Are they always black and white (or just black) or do they come in many colours? Do orks "dye" the hair with paint or clay or something?

**Corpsesarefun**

Kall3m0n wrote:Yeah, exactly....
That's what I was looking for...
Those Orks with "hair" lika a ponytail on their head... Is it a single Squig or is it more? How much hair (in thickness) have and how long can it get? Do Orks cut their hair? Is it possible to see the Squigg with the naked eye? Do the Hair Squigg come in different sizes with different amounts of hair? Are they always black and white (or just black) or do they come in many colours? Do orks "dye" the hair with paint or clay or something?

1. I suppose if hair squig's hair grows then yeah orks would have to cut it o geta new squig.
2. Yes if it wasnt for all the hair covering them.
3. Yes you could get different breeds that give different amounts, sizes or colours.
4. You can get lots of different colours of hair squig, it would depend on hair and diet.
5. Its plausible.

Back to your first questions bolters are basically a combination of a rocket/RPG and a standard charge based round such as a bullet, the casing is struck by a pin connected to the firing mechanism and a small explosion forces the bolter-shell out of the gun but after a preset number of feet the 2nd fuel source activates and works like a rocket to propel the shell into the enemy where it explodes.

When you were younger did you ever see one of those water ballon bazooka things? melta's work on the same principle. A blob of molten metal encased by a thin layer of something is launched by the meltagun, when it comes into contact with something the skin breaks and the molten metal burns through the target.

Lasguns are just lasers, the trigger is the on/off switch.

**Kall3m0n**

Thanx!

It's all useable and vital info for tear-and-wear and convertions and mods.

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Now I want more indepth info like that on the Hair Squigg for almost EVERYTHING. ^^ Everything from how long a standard boltgun in the army is used to how the Tau-armour is joint. Gief info!

**Ronin**

Im almost curious to know why you'd want such in-depth info....

**Corpsesarefun**

Kall3m0n wrote:
Now I want more indepth info like that on the Hair Squigg for almost EVERYTHING. ^^ Everything from how long a standard boltgun in the army is used to how the Tau-armour is joint. Gief info!

a marine is 8ft tall, each boltgun seems to be the length of his arm so i would estimate 80cm in length?
Tau armour seems to be some form of reinforced fabric with some armour attached to it, so im guessing the fabric is sewn together and the armour sections are fused on using heat.

**Kall3m0n**

Ronin wrote:Im almost curious to know why you'd want such in-depth info....

So I know what kind of tear-and-wear i can use for my models and how I can convert my models in a "correct" way (don't know the right word).

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corpsesarefun wrote:
Kall3m0n wrote:
Now I want more indepth info like that on the Hair Squigg for almost EVERYTHING. ^^ Everything from how long a standard boltgun in the army is used to how the Tau-armour is joint. Gief info!

a marine is 8ft tall, each boltgun seems to be the length of his arm so i would estimate 80cm in length?
Tau armour seems to be some form of reinforced fabric with some armour attached to it, so im guessing the fabric is sewn together and the armour sections are fused on using heat.

Great info there on the Tau armour, but I didn't mean the length of the boltgun. I meant how long it is in service... Is it used 'till it breaks, or is the weapons turned in and replaced after a period of time?

And i wan't more such info, not just answers for my questions.

Isb't there a wikipedia for Warhammer, or is forums the only way for such info?

**Corpsesarefun**

Boltguns are used for hundreds and hundreds of years

try Lexicanum for info like this, although its not perfect and does have lots of gaps.

**Kall3m0n**

Really?! Damn!

Ok, thanx!

We can leave this thread for now, then. But i'll be back for more in-depth questions some other day.

**Manchu**

Good work, corpsesarefun!

**R3con**

For melta guns I'd look at today's SABOT rounds its basically the same principle, get hot molten metal flying around the inside of a armored vehicle.

I have discussed the physics behind it with a person that designs tank guns and used to procure them for the military (He was responsible for getting the German 120mm gun into the M1 MBT). The way he described it, if I remember correctly, is that the enrgy tranfer of the kinetic round is such that the round does not actually punch through, per se, but atomizes both the penetrating potion of the dart and the armor. What is left usually just rattles around at a great velocity inside the tank sometimes causing a catastrophic failure (fuel or ammunition cook off) or destroying equipment and occupants...or both (obviously).

The goal is to have a penetrator that is denser than the material you are shooting it into or the kinetic energy bleeds off to quickly and does not achieve penetration.

Thus, for instance, a lead penetrator would simple pancake, for the most part, against most modern MBTs. That is why tungsten and depleted uranium is used. DU is the cheapest and most dense material we use in Army, but its a bitch to mill.

The British came up with the best way to TRY to defeat this. Its called Chobam. A mixed armor package of different metals, causing the round the bleed energy more quickly on softer metals then impacting against a more dense layer.

**Kall3m0n**

Ok, great.
But i still want to know exactly how the melta work inside its shell; the actuall mechanical funktions the weapon need to do in order to fire the round.

**Corpsesarefun**

According to what r3con said they world by making a small, contained thermonuclear explosion that liquifies the armour and sends the molten metal into the vehicle itself.

**ArbitorIan**

As far as i remember, Meltaguns fired a beam, that superheated the air. Kinda like a microwavey thing. They don't actually shoot any sort of material or projectile...

Nothing about metal or lava...

**Corpsesarefun**

ArbitorIan wrote:As far as i remember, Meltaguns fired a beam, that superheated the air. Kinda like a microwavey thing. They don't actually shoot any sort of material or projectile...

Nothing about metal or lava...

Meltabombs work in the same way a meltagun does and from the latest SM codex description it involves molten metal.

**Kall3m0n**

What ever the projectile or the thing that makes one go OUCH... How does it do what it does?! HOW does the weapon produce the microwaves, or what ever??

**Corpsesarefun**

Kall3m0n wrote:What ever the projectile or the thing that makes one go OUCH... How does it do what it does?! HOW does the weapon produce the microwaves, or what ever??

Meltaguns using microwaves is outdated fluff but it would work exactly like a modern microwave does, see here

**Kall3m0n**

But how is the weapon-components composed inside the weapon? I want to know how everything looks inside why.

**Vulkan77**

Bltguns are basicly ballistic weapons with the ammo larger than a modern day .50cal. The bolt round has an extra charge to increase the speed/pwer of the round and and explosive tip to penetrate armour before the main part of the round of depleted uranium rips into the target.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bolter

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bolt_weapon

1st link explains bolter workings an patterns used, 2nd shows cutways and explanations of ammo types used.

**Dronze**

get the wargear codex, I think that kind of stuff is listed in there.

**Railguns**

Boltguns? Look up the Gyrojet pistol. Upscale to assault rifle size. Take all the suck out. Fin.

**Vulkan77**

good call but the calibre size is wrong, boltgun rounds are much larger with greater penetration and physical effect, basically they are small SABOT rounds (for those who don't know a SABOT is a tank round that peirces armour with a pre-warhead allowing the main weaopn to detonate inside the armoured target) SABOT rounds are a standard in modern tank guns like the MKII Challenger and M1A1 Abrams, designed to kill the crew and leave the veichle relativly unharmed