1 on 1, who would win? Orks or Imperium?

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**Emperors Faithful**

Look at the title.
Obviously it's gonna be the Imperium. Only insane people would say orks.

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**Manchu**

It might look like Orks for a while. But then . . . then, children, it would be the Wolftime sooner or later.

**ChaoticOrkz**

haha and so it begins!

Orks becuase they cannot be fully killed due to them releasing spores at the time of their death and they also are hard to kill and regenerate incredibly quickly due to the algae in their blood!

**Emperors Faithful**

FLAMERS!!!

**Xav**

Well lets say every single ork in existance came to Armaggden (Seems Fitting) All the orks hovered outside, and the space marines appeared everysingle space marine, and all the guard.

They all land and start attacking each other the fleets in the air are doing battle, and the imperium would have to kill every ork and burn every place an ork was ever killed, otherwise give it 10k years there be back stronger then ever.

Seems pretty impossible.

**ChaoticOrkz**

Emperors Faithful wrote:FLAMERS!!!

Hmm Flamers could work but the thing is that Spores can travel across the galaxy as well and go onto other worlds and i remember reading the ork codex where they have even appeared on space vessels so you would have to burn EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYTHING.

**Manchu**

Emperors Faithful wrote:FLAMERS!!!

Just what I was thinking. But let's give this thread a little more fluff support, gentlemen. This isn't General Discussion, after all, this is 40k Background.

**Xav**

To make this reasonable we need to know:

1. How many imperial guard are there.
2. How many Orks are there.

**Emperors Faithful**

Ok. Firstly, Navywise I believe that, united, Navy and Battle Barges have the advantage over ork fleets. (Orks are not space-farers by nature). As was the case in Armageddon (3rd).

On the ground, all you would have to do is win. You would not IMMEDIATELY have to burn the place. Just make sure you get around to it.

It would not ONLY be flamers, but predominantly. Orks on a massive scale are just too unwieldy and would not have the tactical acumen of Spaz Marinz, or even some IG commanders.

**Manchu**

Xav wrote:To make this reasonable we need to know:

1. How many imperial guard are there.
2. How many Orks are there.

Always with the numbers? I think these things are pretty much unknowable. Safe to say billions on either side.

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Emperors Faithful wrote:It would not ONLY be flamers, but predominantly. Orks on a massive scale are just too unwieldy and would not have the tactical acumen of Spaz Marinz, or even some IG commanders.

And when push comes to shove: Life-Eater

**Emperors Faithful**

Actually, it would be pretty darn close (numberwise). There are definitley more humans (Hive Worlds) but not all are guardsmen. (But they could be)

**ChaoticOrkz**

From the ork codex
"Throughout an Orkoid's life it sheds spore-like cells containing the entire genetic code of the Orkoid races..........The spores are the reproductive mechanism of an orkoid. When they settle in the correct conditions, the spore will evolve into the species whose genetic structure it contains..........It takes quiet a long time for an ork to grow, while the smaller squigs, snotlings and so forth take a shorter length of time to develop. Orkoids do not emerge singly once they have reached the requiered degree of maturity. Due to the nature of the spore process, dozens or even hundreds of orkoids will emerge within a short space of time."

The dot dot dot thing is becuase some of the info was not important!

**Emperors Faithful**

@Manch: Life-eater?

@General: "It takes quiet a long time for an ork to grow" Well, that IS reasurring news. (No one cares about squigs/gretchin/snotlings)

**Xav**

Well how can we establish the strengh of each race without a rough number.

There are lots of Orks, built by the Old ones to fend off the C'tan.

They are built for war, they get larger and stronger, dont die of old age and cant be killed by infection.

So being built up since the Old ones Orks would number from a trillion to ten trillion to maybe one hundred trillion.

Its defintely in the trillion numbers, Orks have lived and conqured and died all across the Galaxy there are spores everywhere, probaly growing would take along time to grow a large amount of orks out of those spores but more Orks are always coming.

So the imperium wipes them out in 1v1 battle, is crippled greatly and gets overrun by chaos/nids/necrons.

Say the Imperium beats Orks in 1v1 Fight, and doesnt get overrun by xenos, there are still Ork spores on atleast a thousand planets.

**Emperors Faithful**

Naughty, naughty. This is about ONLY ORKS and ONLY IMPERIUM. Don't even START to bring in the others.

**Xav**

Im not bring others in, just saying under the impact of Orks the imperium will fail.

**Emperors Faithful**

It would be crippled yes, but remember this is 1 ON 1. (Anyway, Imperium shall always endure...)

**Corpsesarefun**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, it would be pretty darn close (numberwise). There are definitley more humans (Hive Worlds) but not all are guardsmen. (But they could be)

There are hundreds of trillions of orks and only a few trillion humans in total.
Now think about how many humans can fight to the level an ork could?
Orks would win hands down.

**Emperors Faithful**

How can you possibly know there are hundreds of trillions of orks? (I think you seriously misunderstand the value of that number)

Also, yes, more orks would be militirised, but there would be more humans. (HIVE WORLDS!!)

**Manchu**

Life Eater (n.) a virus

It's what's inside a Virus Bomb used for Exterminatus. Hours used it on Istvaan III to deal with the Loyalist elements of several of the traitor Legion, including his own.

Ben Counter wrote:Weapons so terrible and forbidden that only the Warmaster himself, and the Emperor before him, could ever sanction their use.

Each warhead would unleash the life eater virus, a rampant organism that destroyed life in all its forms and wiped out every shred of organic matter on the surface of a planet within hours.

Galaxy In Flames, p.196

**ChaoticOrkz**

since i love quoting things from mi codex!

" Attempts to penetrate the so-called Ork enclaves of Gathrog and Dregruk in the southern regions of the Segmentum have proved unsuccessful. The orks have dominated these areas unchecked since before the founding of the Imperium and it is, quite unreasonably, surmised that within an area of only a few light years there are tens of millions of the creatures. It is possible that in such conditions the Orks' physical proportions are even more pronounced, with whole planetary populations the size of the sub-type known to our warriors as 'skarboys'. When one considers the size of the 'nobz' and 'warbosses' of even relatively small ork armies, one shudders to think of the monstrous creatures that must dominate these cultures. Should ever s uch a monster be filled with a desire for conquest, it is a matter of much debate whther any military means at our disposal could stop them."- Magos Bioligis Rastex

just an excerpt from his "Growth patterns of Orks in variant societies"

**Emperors Faithful**

Well that would kind of doom BOTH sides, eh?

**Manchu**

There is no question that the Imperium is far, far more dangerous than the green stain across the underpants of the galaxy that is the Orks. De red wunz may go faster but they aren't fast enough to outpace the super weapons of Humanity.

**MeanGreenStompa**

The ork is a soldier race, no females bearing one or two infants over 9 months, no 'civilians', kill one and thousands of spoors are released creating fully grown and combat capable orks in a few weeks. They are only held in check by constant attrition due to killing each other, from fisticuffs to waaaghs slamming into each other. It is often cited in the fluff that should they ever unite, no power in the galaxy can stop them. The Imperium would inflict massive casualties on them and there would be trillions left, all howling for blood and eager to fight. It's also written that the furthest radio signals from beyond this galaxy have come back to imperial techs and to their despair, has been endless ork chatter.

The future is green...

**Emperors Faithful**

...Sniffle...such...patriotism...
Aus:
Advance! Emperor! Fair!

US:
Oh can you see...the Imperium on the horizon (or something like that)

**ChaoticOrkz**

Manchu wrote:Life Eater (n.) a virus

Ben Counter wrote:
Each warhead would unleash the life eater virus, a rampant organism that destroyed life in all its forms and wiped out every shred of organic matter on the surface of a planet within hours.

Galaxy In Flames, p.196

I have a quote myself

"The spore grows downwards first, with tiny rootlets that seek out nutrition and moisture just like any other plant."

Im not sure if this would protect them from the kiiling of all organic matter on the surface but it is a possibility

**Manchu**

ChaoticOrkz wrote:"The spore grows downwards first, with tiny rootlets that seek out nutrition and moisture just like any other plant."

Im not sure if this would protect them from the kiiling of all organic matter on the surface but it is a possibility

It's unlikely. The survivors of the virus bombs on Istvaan III were sealed inside of bunkers or titans or--in the case of Ancient Rylanor--dreadnought armor. Astartes power armor was about as much protection as tissue paper. And then there's the fires, the igniting of the massed gases of decay choking the planet's atmosphere into a terrible firestorm that does horrifying damage to the inorganic surfaces of a planet.

**ChaoticOrkz**

Manchu wrote:
It's unlikely. The survivors of the virus bombs on Istvaan III were sealed inside of bunkers or titans or--in the case of Ancient Rylanor--dreadnought armor. Astartes power armor was about as much protection as tissue paper. And then there's the fires, the igniting the massed gases of decay choking the planet's atmosphere into a terrible firestorm that does horrifying damage to the inorganic surfaces of a planet.

Well all we greeniez need to do is pray to gork, mork, and Jeebus and we be alright!

**Corpsesarefun**

Emperors Faithful wrote:How can you possibly know there are hundreds of trillions of orks? (I think you seriously misunderstand the value of that number)

Also, yes, more orks would be militirised, but there would be more humans. (HIVE WORLDS!!)

Think about it, orks have been around for at least as long as the eldar and in that time they have be reproducing and spreading through the galaxy.
If you think humans who have a much slower rate of reproduction than orks and have had much less time to reproduce anyway are more prolific than orks then something is wrong in your calculations.

Dont even get me started on the whole old ones seeding ork spores in multiple galaxies.

**Manchu**

ChaoticOrkz wrote:Well all we greeniez need to do is pray to gork, mork, and Jeebus and we be alright!

Ah yes, the infamous "Gork and Mork are undefeatable" strategy. Tell that to their prophet, Gazhgkull Mag Uruk Thraka. If you can catch up to him, that is, as he runs as fast as he can away from Yarrick.