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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
They are more concerned with their own lives than everyone else's when they know that they're dying out and have no hope of recovery from the Fall.
They could be directly aiding the Imperium, but they manipulate them instead to try and prolong their lives for a few more years.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
I think this depens more on your personal definition of evil. Pursuing survival at the expense of everything else isnt evil (and if it is, then the human race has been evil for a very long time).
I question why would they help the Imperium at all, given the stated policy is to exterminate all Xenos on site. The fluff in the rule book states that the main reason the Imperium doesnt just take them out, is that the last time they attacked them on mass, they got their @$$es handed to them (better to swat a single wasp than provoke the whole hive).
Possibly the only truely evil race is Daemons then CSM/DE. CSM/DE want to torture/conquer, but Daemones want to tear the material universe apart, and not for an understandable reason like survival.
Humanity is the only race IRL Luna... goodness me, where do you live, Mars?
Let's think now...
The Imperium has alliances with minor alien races that they trade with, IIRC.
Orks don't care for anything but fighting.
Tau think that they're 'saving' other races, even if they are anime fan Space Communists.
Necrons hate everyone but only a few of them are sentient.
Eldar/Dark Eldar are only concerned about protecting theirselves when they know that they're screwed.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Humanity is the only race IRL Luna... goodness me, where do you live, Mars?
The Imperium has alliances with minor alien races that they trade with, IIRC.
Mars? no , we can talk about USA, China , all the existing countries for example that wages war for self interest.
Imperium trading with xenos? thats like so rare , not to mention if caught they'll be executed.
A easy example to why Eldar cant be bothered with helping ignorant monkeighs?
Cheese Elemental wrote:Humanity is the only race IRL Luna... goodness me, where do you live, Mars?
The Imperium has alliances with minor alien races that they trade with, IIRC.
Mars? no , we can talk about USA, China , all the existing countries for example that wages war for self interest.
Imperium trading with xenos? thats like so rare , not to mention if caught they'll be executed.
Rogue Traders are not executed. Nor are Imperial Generals who hire alien mercenaries.
As to the DoW II video: the Eldar had killed a squad of Marines, and the second squad was clearly after revenge and they percieved the Eldar as an immediate threat. The Eldar could easily tell the Imperium about all the hidden threats, locations of Tomb Worlds, etc. The Eldar and Imperials ally in times of desperation, but the Eldar refuse to take it any further in their arrogance.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Cheese Elemental wrote:
The Eldar could easily tell the Imperium about all the hidden threats, locations of Tomb Worlds, etc. The Eldar and Imperials ally in times of desperation, but the Eldar refuse to take it any further in their arrogance.
Or the Eldar can say " take your head out of each other's behinds so you can actually see something and look at the sky . The whole tyranid tendril is right there.
Another notable thing is the Eldar's sheer stupidity. They are the least numerous race in the galaxy, but they insist on putting themselves in harm's way in the name of self preservation.
What. The. Hell.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Another notable thing is the Eldar's sheer stupidity. They are the least numerous race in the galaxy, but they insist on putting themselves in harm's way in the name of self preservation.
What. The. Hell.
Or you think its because they know they either help the monkeighs , or the universe gets devoured .
Yes, Eldar have no morality or emotions, apparently, which actually clouds their judgement.
Luna, in DoW II, the Eldar get krumped by the Blood Ravens, but the Marines still manage to defeat the Orks and an entire Tyranid Splinter fleet.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
They're trying to destroy Chaos and the Necrons. They're utterly confident in their ability to do so.
They're no smarter than anybody else to be honest.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
As there have been so "who is the most evil" threads I'm not going to go down that path.
The Eldar believe that they are always right and that their way should be the only way, not only for themselves but for the good of the galaxy. They are also a very distrustful race and in part xenophobic just like the Imperium is. I'm not sure if I'm using or spelling the right word here, but I think the word decadence has been used before to describe them??
I disagree with the statement that they are not smarter, they operate on a higher level of knowledge to the Imperium are are only stagnated in terms of development due to their lack of numbers and the fact that in a sense they do not have an empire any more and operate as nomads.
The Eldar see the Necrons as a huge threat and are their ancient enemy. So its unsuprising that the Eldar try to do everything in their power to stop them.
IMHO (and not wanting to start the whole "who is the most evil" thing again) The Eldar are no more evil than any other race.
hellsguardian316 wrote:The Eldar see the Necrons as a huge threat and are their ancient enemy. So its unsuprising that the Eldar try to do everything in their power to stop them.
They also believe they are the only ones who are capable enough to deal with them, rather than letting the mon-keighs stuff it up.
Cheese Elemental wrote:They're trying to destroy Chaos and the Necrons. They're utterly confident in their ability to do so.
They're no smarter than anybody else to be honest.
They are smarter than everyone else. That is pretty much their field of expertise. They can also see the future.
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The fact remains that instead of not being dicks and manipulating people, they're getting whittled down to nothing because they try to stop Chaos and the Necrons and instead aggravate the Space Marines who then proceed to rip them a new one.
Although, to be fair, they're in a bit of a quandary. If they fight the Imperium directly, then they'll have Culexus Assassins on their tail. If they destroy the Culexus Temple, Craftworld Alaitoc and possibly the others will be destroyed.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
They should be trampled under the boots of da grotz.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Cheese Elemental; I'm not so sure selfishness automatically equates to evilness. It's a gak way to live, but isn't directly harmful until you start screwing others royally for a relatively minor personal gain. The only reason they're not 'evil' in my opinion is that they at least think they're rescuing the galaxy, if for no other reason than to preserve themselves. If they were even slightly as wise as the fluff claims them to be, they'd piss right off in their craftworlds and leave the galaxy entirely.
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GW is lazy because the Eldar perjorative for Humans is a fantasy spelling/slightly alternative pronunciation of Monkey; a biological relationship that, if it even exists in the 40k version of the universe, neither the humans nor eldar are likely to be aware of.
Discuss.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
If anything eldar are the closest thing 40k has to a good race. While they value Eldar lives far more than other race's lives, they also value the survival of the galaxy above that of themselves. In the end it seems to me Eldar are the closest 40k will have to a "good" race, and Dark Eldar are the closest to "evil".
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The imperium is the most evil race, because they care only for their own survival.
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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
I don't think that self preservation is evil. Evolution came from self preservation. Is it evil? Do you want to be an ape?
Also really I would have thought Dark Eldar would be the worst. I mean seriously they are the most sadistic, violent, sick and depraved race out there. And they do it just for epic lulz.
At least Daemons are just raw emotion. They have THAT excuse.
Also there's no way Eldar are evil. Arrogant, selfish and rude they may be but it's a dog-eat-dog universe and they need to to survive. They help occasionally and they only kill when they have to. Dark Eldar just rape and pillage for fun - thus in my book making them most evil. Enjoying the pain of others is just wrong. DE are typical horror-movie evil.
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I'm definitely on the "good-or-at-least-not-that-bad-eldar" faction.
They build or terraformed their virgin worlds, paradise planets, long ago. Now some Eldar are slowly trying to regain those planets, which are now occupied by other races.
Now, my point is: The Eldar coming back to those planets ask they occupants to leave before they start to shoot. Yes, if the occupants are unable to leave they get killed, but the point is: They ask before they shoot. They don't have the extermination of all non-eldar races in mind.
And this separates them from the Imperium of Man, that is dedicated to the genocide of all xenos. Without asking first. Just kill, maim and burn, if you're honest about it. Yes, they do it to survive, but they have even less morale standards than the Eldar.
Therefore, the Eldar can't be the most evil race, because the Imperium is a tad more evil than them in my opinion. However, I agree that traitor legions, dark eldar and necrons are far more evil than humans, so...
1: Eldar are just as Xenophobic as humans, and they are no more evil. They just work differently, covering up their fears with arrogance, whereas humans cover up their fears with a "kill' em all" attitude.
2: Cheese elemental is pissed off at Eldar for some reason, probably because he lost to them a bunch recently.
3: Cheese elemental wants to piss off Eldar players.
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