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Hey


Ive been drawn into the fabulous warhammer world and ive been collecting a Chaos Nurgle army coz i think they look awesome! its at around 1500 points right now and im going to be playing my first game soon so i was hoping for some advice and tips on my lists ive come up with from some experienced gamers

These are 2 lists i came up with ill be using them both depending on what im fighting, first list is more anti-tank and the 2nd is more anti-horde/infantry, ive been reading around and tried to keep all the useless units and bits out so i can make an army i can sometimes win with
Any advice or ways i can improve on them will be greatly appreciated! and i think the points costs are all correct Thanks in advance.
Here they are :

HQ
-(1) Daemon Prince - 175
Wings
MoN
Warptime

Troops
-(7) Plague Marines - 191
(2) Plasma Guns
-(7) Plague Marines - 191
(2) Plasma Guns
-(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Metlas
Champion + Power Fist

Heavy Support
(2) Obliterators - 150
(1) Chaos Predator - 130
Auto Cannon
Lascannon Sponsons

TOTAL = 1500


HQ
-(1)Daemon Prince - 150
Wings
MoN

Troops
-(7) Plague Marines - 211
(2) Flamers
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 211
(2) Flamers
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 211
(2) Flamers
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist
-(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Metlas
Champion + Power Fist

Heavy Support
(1) Chaos Predator - 135
Twin Linked Lascannon
HeavyBolter Sponsons
(1) Chaos Predator - 135
Twin Linked Lascannon
HeavyBolter Sponsons

TOTAL = 1500

Both lists look pretty good. The only thing you should consider changing is maybe giving up one PM squad to give the other PM squads rhinos.

The rhinos will give your troops much needed mobility and also can provide them with coversaves once they inevitably are destroyed.

If you don't have any rhinos modelled yet go with the lists you made and make rhinos your next modelling priority.

Rhino's arnt a problem, i just liked the idea of having alot of plague marines, but if Rhino's will make the army more effective then i will probably work them into the list, is there anything i could drop/change from heavy support to be more effectvie or to make room for more points? or do they seem fine as they are for there roles.

Ive come up with these lists on my own from reading threads and watching videos on youtube since i dont have any experience playing and ive never realy spoken or discussed warhammer with anyone IRL since non of my freinds do it so i love to read your advice and tips as it helps me understand the game and my army better so i can hopefuly play more effectivly

Thanks for your input!

Responding on behalf of most of our lovely gaming community: you should make a dual lash list!

Seriously though, I would have to agree that working in rhinos or better yet, Land Raiders, would give you the winning edge.

With Land Raiders you can afford to play with 3 troops, as long as they stay inside until they get to an objective, or they go to mop up a squad.

Well, PM are the most resilient troop choice so that a Landraider is not required.
I'd mount them all into Rhinos.

Ok ill try get some Rhino's in there, what should i drop from the list? and do all the PM squads need a rhino's?

Well, I'd take 3 PM units in Rhinos, not more.
I'd a 2nd winged DP's with MoN, warp time, and a 3rd Predator or a Defiler.

dropping 1 squad of PM's isnt gonna let me have room for a pred, 3 rhinoes and a DP!

This is another list which i came up with:

HQ
Daemon Prince - 175
Wings
MoN
Warptime

Troops
(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Plasma Guns
Champion + PowerWeapon

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Metlas
Champion + Power Fist

(4) Rhino's - 160
Pintle Mounted Twin Linked Bolter

Heavy Support

(2) Obliterators - 150

(1) Chaos Predator - 130
Auto Cannon
Lascannon Sponsons

TOTAL=1499

and do all the PM squads need a rhino's?

not necessarily

you should give rhinos to those which have power fists, so they can use them in CC

at 1.500pts, maybe switch one defiler for another DP, the same equipment, i mean, i managed to knock out 1 Land Raider and immobilise another with defiler's battlecannon, but that is rather uncommon... a DP with increased toughness and wings can knock tanks out for you!

edit: i see you changed heavy support a bit... play obliterators sole, 1-man squad, to provide you multiple targeting in shooting phase (if they are in the same unit, they both need to fire at the same target)
try second DP instead of predator

Ok i see what you guys are saying and ive edited the list as best i can to follow your advice, its sounds like it will work and play great but is there anything else i can improve on?

HQ
(2) Daemon Princes - 350
Wings
MoN
Warptime

Troops
(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Plasma Guns
Champion + PowerWeapon

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Metlas
Champion + Power Fist

(3) Rhino's - 105

Heavy Support

(2) Obliterators - 150

TOTAL = 1495 (I Think )

sbrook129 wrote:Ok i see what you guys are saying and ive edited the list as best i can to follow your advice, its sounds like it will work and play great but is there anything else i can improve on?

HQ
(2) Daemon Princes - 350
Wings
MoN
Warptime

Troops
(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Plasma Guns
Champion + PowerWeapon

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Meltas
Champion + Power Fist

(7) Plague Marines - 221
(2) Metlas
Champion + Power Fist

(3) Rhino's - 105

Heavy Support

(2) Obliterators - 150

TOTAL = 1495 (I Think )

For a slight bit of ease of use if you will:
DP, MoN, Wings, Warptime 175
DP, MoN, Wings, Warptime 175
7x PMs, 2x Plasma, Champ w/ PW in Rhino 256
7x PMs, 2x Melta, Champ w/ PF in Rhino 256
7x PMs, 2x Melta, Champ w/ PF in Rhino 256
7x PMs, 2x Melta, Champ w/ PF in Rhino 256
2x Oblits 150

I like the list I really do. But I used to run something very similar. I like squads of 10 (Not a nurgly number, and it's fine if you want to stick with it, gives you more maneuverability) and I'd say get those rhinos some Havoc Launchers as well. They are pretty good. You might need a Vindi with Demonic Possession as well, I don't see a lot of anti-horde in here. And no one give me that bull about MoN DPs surviving the kinds of waves of attacks I'm talking about.

Yea its not an anti horde list, i posted 2 lists originaly, 1 was for horde armys, i can swap options when ever i want since everything is magnetised, right down to the plague marine weapons so ill have a entire new list i can use if playing vs orks or nids. Heres a new Anti Hordeish List, what do you think?

1x DP, Wings, MoN, Warptime 175
8x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 234
8x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 234
8x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 234
7x PMs, 2x Melta, Champ w/ PF 221
4x Rhinos, 2x PM TWB 150
1x Vindicator, Demonic Possesion 145
1x Predator, Autocannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 105
TOTAL=1498

Or i can drop the Squads down to 7 again and give the Rhinos Havoc launchers would that be a better thing to do? but i thought Rhinos die quick so whats the use having a 15 point gun on them.


All this is making me realy want to play my first game!

I'll give this a crack at. If you're focusing on toasting some hordes a good list might look like this:

Build A:

HQ
--------
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime) 175
Sorc (MoN, WoC) 150
Troops
---------------
Squad 1: 7 PM (2x Flamer, PF, Combi-Weapon, Havoc Launcher, Rhino) 271
Squad 2: 7 PM (2x Flamer, PF, Combi-Weapon, Havoc Launcher, Rhino) 271
Squad 3: 7 PM (2x Plasmagun, PF, Combi-Weapon, Havoc Launcher, Rhino) 291

Heavy Support
------------------------------
Vindicator (Possession) 145
Vindicator (Possession) 145


This leaves you at 1448 so you still have points. I really don't know what to add to it though. There's a ton of template weapons which should rock most mobs. Everything is mobilized which is always a plus. Vindicators pie plate everything. Sorc is attached to squad 1 or 2 and heads for objectives with squad 3 behind it. After you purge enemies from an objective have squad 3 sit on it and just mass fire anything that heads its way.

Build B:

HQ
--------
DP (Wings, MoN, Warptime)

Elites
-----------
7 Terminators (HF, 6x Combi-Weapons)

Troops
---------------
7 PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Rhino)
7 PM (2x Meltagun, PF, Icon, Rhino)
7 PM (2x Plasmagun, PF, Rhino)

Heavy Support
------------------------------
Vindicator (Possession)
Vindicator (Possession)


This is a lot like the first but without the mass templates. Now looking at this list it may or may not be as strong as the first one. The terminator squad just drops in and rains death on a squad with such ease. It also can destroy trukks (I'd hope) / wagons / or wound fexes / tyrants.

Well, I'd take 3 PM units in Rhinos as already suggested.

The army with 4 PM units lacks fire support. Two Obliterators are not enough.

I dont have a 2nd Vindicator, a Sorc or any Terminators and i cant realy afford to go buy some for another month or so.
This is what i do have:
32 PMs
2 DP's
4 Rhino's
2 Predators
1 Vindicator
3 Obliterators

This is probably the best list i can come up with for anti Horde/Infantry:

1x DP, Wings, MoN, Warptime 175
7x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 211
7x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 211
7x PMs, 2x Plasma, Champ w/ PF 231
3x Rhinos, 3x PM TWB 120
1x Vindicator, Demonic Possesion 145
2x Predators, Autocannons, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 180
3x Obliterators 225
TOTAL=1498

I will buy another vindicator and some other models in a month or so but untill then ill have to make do.

You should deck out the predators fully. Give them each a pintle mounted havoc Launcher. This will raise both up to 130 points a piece but have an insane amount of fire power. You could run 2 DP's with one using Warptime and the other using either WoC or Nurgle's Rot as their psychic ability. Jump into assaults and romp with Warptime and Nurgle's Rot. A horde should fall pretty quickly.

sounds good but what do i drop to gain all the points? the vindicator and soem oblits?


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Sounds good but what do i drop to gain all the points? The vindicator and some oblits?

Drop the vindicators because they rock in pairs and you only have one. I would also drop your obliterators because you only have one squad and 9 obliterators are more worth it imo. That one obliterator squad would just get mass fire and die. Your predators will attract a lot of fire too, but AV 13 in the front and all those guns for mowing down mobs is worth it imo. Everything has low enough AP to rock boys out of cover. The auto cannon can even bust up trukks. Another possibility would to give that 3rd squad meltaguns instead of plasma guns so you have some sort of answer to battlewagons. That should free up enough points for a 2nd DP and maxing out your pred's potential.

Ok ill edit my list a bit to add in what you've suggested, also can i ask why vindicators are only good in pairs?

Well, the reason why vindicators are good in pairs is mainly due to the threat level. If you think about it. If you had one, it's a large threat due to its large blast, str 10, ap2 bombshell. This thing would get focused so fast that it would die before you even did much with it. With two of them you have a better chance of them getting off enough shots to make them worth their points. 2 Blasts are better than 1 . This may sound silly but they just survive better if their is two of them ya know?

I run Papa Nurgle's chosen few, and have been toying with a list that has been working pretty well, and just posted it on Dakka, you can look at it and it may help you. i love rhinos, they mobilize your whole army. power fisted champs are a must. you are off to a good start. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/252057.page

sbrook129 wrote:I dont have a 2nd Vindicator, a Sorc or any Terminators and i cant realy afford to go buy some for another month or so.
This is what i do have:
32 PMs
2 DP's
4 Rhino's
2 Predators
1 Vindicator
3 Obliterators

This is probably the best list i can come up with for anti Horde/Infantry:

1x DP, Wings, MoN, Warptime 175
7x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 211
7x PMs, 2x Flamer, Champ w/ PF 211
7x PMs, 2x Plasma, Champ w/ PF 231
3x Rhinos, 3x PM TWB 120
1x Vindicator, Demonic Possesion 145
2x Predators, Autocannons, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 180
3x Obliterators 225
TOTAL=1498

I will buy another vindicator and some other models in a month or so but untill then ill have to make do.

Ok,you have one too many predators in your anti horde/infantry list, (or I should say,if your taking 2 Preds,you have to drop either the vindicator or the oblits).
That bieng said,your list(s) are all fairly solid,as others stated,rhinos are a good idea (although the havoc launchers aren't really needed),adding another vindicator is somthing I would advise you to do (and with the minis you have,probably the only further purchase you need to make).with the second vindicator,you will have a good ammount of Heavy support options/combinations.
I also applaud you for having the foresight to magnitize your wepons options,making you army much more versitile .
I honestly wish I had done so with my Death Guard.
In closing,I don't know if your aware of of the Legio Morbidus section on Bolter & Chainsword,if not I suggest you have a look at it,lots of cool info/tactica for Death Guard players.

Ok im getting a 2nd Vindicator now lol, ill drop the pred's and replace them with a Vindi and soemthing else to fill the points in, dunno what tho.

Yeah i do quite a bit of research before starting something and i read that its a great idea to magnetise your armys options so your not stuck with just the same weapons.