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It’s a News & Rumours Thread, so I don’t think all the pricing discussion qualifies for that now that we know the prices?
   
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aloisriegl wrote:
It’s a News & Rumours Thread, so I don’t think all the pricing discussion qualifies for that now that we know the prices?


it does by virtue of beeing associated with new product and by extension of value of a product...

You not liking the discussion and attempting to shut it down is a solely YOU issue .

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aloisriegl wrote:
It’s a News & Rumours Thread, so I don’t think all the pricing discussion qualifies for that now that we know the prices?


It had been 2 days since the last reply so the discussion was done, but good job starting it up again.
   
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I'm the biggest Warcry fan at my club and even I've not bothered with Catacombs; bumping the price while simultaneously taking out content doesn't sit right. The first set was a good deal though. Still interested in the books when they come out
   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut





People here complain about prices and here I look at the new mini-Start Collecting sets they made for AoS/Warcry and compare it with patrol boxes garbage on 40K side and think how much better AoS players have. Their SC also look set to stay and rule writers/designers seem more competent and willing to try new things. Mind sharing guys?
   
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The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?

 Irbis wrote:
People here complain about prices and here I look at the new mini-Start Collecting sets they made for AoS/Warcry and compare it with patrol boxes garbage on 40K side and think how much better AoS players have. Their SC also look set to stay and rule writers/designers seem more competent and willing to try new things. Mind sharing guys?
Ehhh... I know it sounds toxic to say, but I think the 40k community kind of deserves it.

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Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?


There are a few unboxing / reviews made here and there, but to be honest, there's not much to add to what was already told by the big channels. It's not like there is a tremendous amount of content in the Catacombs starter box after all...and the new maps are exactly that : new maps.

We'll certainly have more to say once the Warcry battletomes are out.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
aloisriegl wrote:
It’s a News & Rumours Thread, so I don’t think all the pricing discussion qualifies for that now that we know the prices?


it does by virtue of beeing associated with new product and by extension of value of a product...

You not liking the discussion and attempting to shut it down is a solely YOU issue .


You know what? You’re right, and I’m sorry.
   
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aloisriegl wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
aloisriegl wrote:
It’s a News & Rumours Thread, so I don’t think all the pricing discussion qualifies for that now that we know the prices?


it does by virtue of beeing associated with new product and by extension of value of a product...

You not liking the discussion and attempting to shut it down is a solely YOU issue .


You know what? You’re right, and I’m sorry.
Exalt for admitting you were wrong and not sinking to his rudeness while you were at it to boot.


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Sarouan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?


There are a few unboxing / reviews made here and there, but to be honest, there's not much to add to what was already told by the big channels. It's not like there is a tremendous amount of content in the Catacombs starter box after all...and the new maps are exactly that : new maps.

We'll certainly have more to say once the Warcry battletomes are out.
Ug I'll just haul myself out to the store and check myself then. Will report back in a few hours. Seriously* the work you guys put me through.

*Sarcastically


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Aight so stuff I personally did not know/fully know:
-There are no terrain cards in a dungeon; bridge locations are fixed based on the board being used, not determined by the scenario, while other bits are deployed by players. There are six terrain cards to use the box's terrain above ground though.
-Bridges can collapse, dropping those on them into lava (instant death). The wood ones collapse more easily.
-Players take turns placing doors, a big deal since the closed ones block movement (can be opened via a double which lets a fighter try to breach it).
-Each player puts down a unique feature of choice after the doors are down. Notable are the lever which opens an adjacent door and the sewer pit which reserves can come in from.
-Flyers can still fly, just not through walls or closed doors (obviously). Nighthaunt have a triple to float through walls/doors.
-There is a full scenario generator for dungeon battles with 12 each of deployment, victory, and twist.
-Each deployment has two battle groups starting on the field. The last only comes in on round three, but fighters can come in from any of the entry points on the edge or from the sewer provided an enemy fighter didn't deploy from it that round.
-There is a generic double to lurk near a wall and enemies can't draw LoS outside of 6". Corvus, in addition to wall run, have a very powerful quad that lets a model wall run, then bonus move, then bonus attack.

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Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Ug I'll just haul myself out to the store and check myself then. Will report back in a few hours. Seriously* the work you guys put me through.


Ah, sorry...I thought you were asking why there weren't many normal reviews now that the boxes are out. I didn't understand you were asking about what Catacombs brings to the game.

Yeah, there are nice rule additions with the new 2D maps and dungeon terrain and to be honest, I like them. Just wish they were available separately, but I'm willing to wait a bit more to see what GW will release later.

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After watching a couple games played by GMG and a few other channels and seeing some reviews, Catacombs seems like quite a bit of fun.

Hopefully they will release some ravaged lands sets and the Catacombs book to allow you to play in those environments.

I like the Scions (eventually I want all 8 Chaos bands painted up), but I really have no desire for the Khainites or another core rulebook.

As an Iron Golem player I like the idea of shoving people into pits.

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I think the likelihood of ravaged lands for catacombs is pretty low. Though i would like such a set myself.

But the reason i think that is because all of the terrain you need for catacombs is already in the box. There are no rules for anything else in the book, and terrain sets outside of killteam arent known for introducing new rules.

But, they are selling two new double sided boards for $40 for the set. Which, considering how much ravaged lands usually cost, is one more ridiculous ask made by gw for this game going forward.
Its half the cost of a ravaged lands set, just for boards.

Youd get more mileage, not to mention superior suspension of disbeleif, by buying a couple dungeons and lasers fantasy core sets, and throwing some pictures of lava on the table. These gw boards are quick set ups, but for the hobbyist modeler, ultimately pretty saccharine and rigid. I see the allure of ready made boards that i dont have to paint, but when you ask such a premium price for what is, lets be honest here, a fairly substandard graphic design job, then the utility of the boards are easily questionable.

   
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40? They cost 55USD.
   
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Lol what? Guess GW is really spiking prices hard. This is 2015 all over again--at some point they'll realize it's costing them and scale back but man 2021 stuff is going to get stuck with downright obscene costs.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






White Dwarf 458 comes with a Warcry card for Jakkob Bugmansson

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/09/white-dwarf-preview-issue-458/
   
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 DaveC wrote:
White Dwarf 458 comes with a Warcry card for Jakkob Bugmansson

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/09/white-dwarf-preview-issue-458/


...which is pretty wild since he doesn’t appear to have a warscroll for AOS.
   
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From this months White Dwarf reference to Tome of Champions 2020

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Is Jakkob Bugmansson XI, Brewmaster-General useable as part of a Warband or is he like Gotrek and only useable with particular scenarios?
   
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aloisriegl wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
White Dwarf 458 comes with a Warcry card for Jakkob Bugmansson

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/09/white-dwarf-preview-issue-458/


...which is pretty wild since he doesn’t appear to have a warscroll for AOS.


Also, kinda wild lore wise that he is somewhere in 8-points. Someone should really consider flaying a few of the realm gate guards for as many invaders get through. Or you know, cause they are Chaos and flaying dudes is something they just do even to each other. Assuming Warcry is still taking place there. I haven't kept up with the lore that closely to know if Catacombs is also on/in 8-points.

   
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There seem to he other realmgates into eightpoints, but they are too small to feasibly match whole armies through. Like, imagine trying to get a few hundred dudes through the Realmgate terrain piece!

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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The few background we have in Warcry says that there are indeed others realmgates leading to every realm in the Eight Points - which is why it's so strategic. While the big ones are heavily guarded, it's still pretty much chaos everywhere and the background says that small bands of warriors can find a way to slip inside unnoticed, even if it's not easy. A legendary hero like Gotrek or Bugmanson is certainly fit to be able to get past these trivial challenges.

The official action in Warcry is still so far playing in the Eight Points. It's following the current background of Broken Realms, wouldn't be surprised if future expansions move on different places eventually as we have more books and more story going on.

Surprised there is a mention of the Tome of Champions 2020, honestly. I thought it would be replaced by the Alliance battletomes.

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Yep in the lore there are many smaller gates between the realms and I've no doubt that skaven drilling holes and the Necroquake has likely rattled a few more around.

The Realmgates themselves are major works of construction that you can move large bodies of people and equipment through at once. That's why they are such focal points for wars and cities because you can respond and move things through at a rapid rate.


Meanwhile those little slip gates where one or two people might push through are not so easily used to move a whole army of hundreds of thousands of troops through. But they are ideal for a tribe of Warcry bands or an elite unit of assassins and spies to slip through.
Of course the added risk is that with a small gate if there IS someone on the otherside who knows about it and who is hostile, they can lay in wait and simply cut you down as you appear one by one.

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Element games have Catacombs at 25% discount until midnight Monday

https://elementgames.co.uk/clearance-sale/sale-items/warcry-catacombs-english-
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Grand Alliance books, Themed dice sets,Tome of Champions 2020 and more warband sets next week.

If you’re in North America, you’ll have to wait a little longer to get your hands on the Tome of Champions – it should be available to pre-order in the US and Canada on the 12th of December.


Expensive week with Direchasm out as well.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/29/the-sunday-preview-warbands-of-the-mortal-realms/







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Note the delay on the Tome of Champions 2020:

If you’re in North America, you’ll have to wait a little longer to get your hands on the Tome of Champions – it should be available to pre-order in the US and Canada on the 12th of December.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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I just hope they give us the unit count and points for the new DoK models. Even if they aren't getting their official "AoS" packaging they are at least now on individual sale and darn it DoK players want to be able to use those new fancy models. They've released the warscroll card weeks ago

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Sylvaneth Warband is £62.50 worth
LoN is £43.75

So I guess Sylvaneth will be £40 to £50 (as KO was £55 worth for £40) and the other 3 at £36.




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Hm, looks like i'm ordering a small library next week then.
   
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If I had guessed that Khainite Shadowstalkers and Scions of the Flame were available this soon, I might have not purchased Catacombs at all. On a positive side, not having to buy them now frees up the cash for Direchasm.

That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left. 
   
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jullevi wrote:
If I had guessed that Khainite Shadowstalkers and Scions of the Flame were available this soon, I might have not purchased Catacombs at all. On a positive side, not having to buy them now frees up the cash for Direchasm.


The gangs from the original box came out pretty quickly as well. The cycle for warcry is pretty quick.

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