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What are your feelings on the matter? Keep the discussion mature and within the rules of dakka as well please.

If people don't like the bewbs, they have the option of not buying the minis. It is not everybody else's job to raise your children.

As long as it's not truly obscene (like depicting sexual acts or overt arousal, shall we say) then nudity in and of itself is not offensive to me. I say keep it tasteful but that's about it.

I wrote other as I dont really care one way or the other...

There are certain types of minis where nudity makes sense:

Demons,
Hedonists,
Amazons (or any deep jungle theme)
Egyptians (or any desert theme)
Beserker units

and prolly a few more I'm forgetting. That are prefectly acceptable IMO. As long as it's not "everyone's naked for no reason,and by everyone I mean only the women."

Personally I think it'd be funny if a giant or ogre had their big giant dong dangling below their kilt or somesuch. Likewise if most female demons are portrayed as succubi-like, more male demons should be packin'.

It's just nudity. Couldn't care less, and really don't understand why some people get so worked up over it (whether their reaction is disgust, amusement or titillation). I also agree that for many armies lack of clothing just makes sense. Of course, if you have an explicitly themed army it's inappropriate to show it to young 'uns. But that's really the only time it should be an issue.

Alright...

Nudity is, technically, art. Even in a miniature form. So, they have a right to do so.

But, I'm sick of mini's with the overly sized "Assets", who do absolutely nothing but show off their "Assets".

Come on! You're in the middle of a damn battlefield, show some common sense (rather than skin) and get yourself some armor of some kind.

Hedonistic Pleasure Daemons would be, of course, incomplete without said "Assets", and are excused from the above argument.

But, a little off topic, it's not like the new plastic Slaanesh Daemonettes evoke anything than utter disgust...

Breasts on minis is fine, genitals should be covered up. Esp soulgrinder's erect ones...

Give me back the diaz daemonettes...

Just like in the movies, I feel we're a long ways from equal opporunity in regards to full frontal nudity.

I dunno how many times I head "Watchmen was awesome except for the that blue dudes #$%^ hanging out all the time".

If the blue dude had been a blue chick the whining would have been minimal.

Were people really all that offended by Watchmen? The guy was translucent blue FFS... anyway.

I could honestly care less what GW produces, that is their decision ultimately. Nudity is not offensive to me, but I can honestly say that a ding-dong monster is just way to freaking disturbing. Geiger has done a fantastic job of using the form without the detail, and I see nothing particularly nasty in his art. Just because something is nekked, does not mean it is any more artistic than the Porky's movie.

This is my opinion basically, but I feel that a war-gaming mini is not art until you choose to make it that way; miniatures are mainly a medium that you choose to work in. Some miniatures such as many of the Forge World models were designed to be display pieces, without much thought to how they would function on a gaming table; the fans get to figure that one out .

If I am not mistaken most of the vehicles used in War-gaming are built a lot thicker than some of the vehicles kits you get for dioramas or display pieces. Just one of many factors that make most war-gaming miniatures less accurate to their original designs as a sacrifice to the functional aspects of the model. As soon as a piece of art becomes literally functional, it ceases to be "true" art, which I consider to be a purely aesthetic thing. For these reasons you could say any "Art" that has has intention beyond aesthetic value is actually not art at all. Whether you choose to call it art is entirely up to you, but the limitations of this definition confine your perspective to a generalized and rather metaphorical twist from what is truly intended by the term of "Art".

Hence, a photo of a cherry blossom tree is not art until the shot has been taken. Even then the image is so generically embedded in our subconscious, the form of "Art" that is invoked by such images has a much more socially accepted "normal" response. This should be the same for nudity when you add all of the factors up, but there are a lot of reasons for this overt-sexuality taking form through nearly every facet of our media (war-gaming included). Anyway... I may be ranting technically .

The nudity in the watchmen was possibly the only Non-gratuitous nudity in a movie I have ever seen. It was an essential indication of Dr Manhattan's increasing separation from his humanity - why would he worry about clothes, when 'its all just molecules anyway'.

Anyway, If you are building your own artistic army, Im not going to deny you the ability to make it as artistic/graphic as you like. Art should be confronting, and make us question our morals and ethics.

However if you are playing at the FLGS, maybe keep the Codpieces on your Termies, and the tops on your SoB's - This is a gaming environment, not the Louvre.

So long as its done well and done tastefully, I dont mind a bit.


Guess I dont care too much either way =P

I know in the part of the US I live in, when they had the boobed daemonettes most stores shied away from displaying the models in storefront windows and such. Like it or not little kids do see this stuff and it can be tough for parents to explain the nudity part to younger kids. Trust me...I love boobs!!! but there is a time and place for it and I don't feel it is the table top.

Nudity is fine, I view the hobby as an art form, but overtly sexual stuff is not art. This doesn't come up much, a naked woman or a willy here and there is fine, (see littleboyblues* gallery images for excellent examples of tastefully done work) a rhino with a sex toy attached to the top of it is not.

*Link to his profile: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/13017.page

I think we need more Soulgrinders with penises.

Not if they're giant, tasteless fething horse cocks we don't.

Nudity is just fine, I don't have a problem with it. Personally though I don't think it's really necessary to sculpt genitalia on Warhammer models, but if it's at least done tastefully I won't complain since I guess technically it is an art form. But a soulgrinder with no other conversion work done to it, except a stupidly long, erect penis complete with appropriately-sized nutsack, just sorta tacked on at the bottom? I really think there's something wrong with your head.

And the people that try to excuse it because "It's Slaanesh, lolz why so serious?!"...I really don't know what to say to you, other than you're fething stupid. Slaanesh can be faithfully represented on the tabletop without every single demon in the army being nude or depicting sexual acts, without 20 foot long "lashes of submission" that coil around the prince/sorceror's body, and without "power swords" attached to cod pieces. Crap like that is just crude and disgusting and makes the entire hobby look bad, and we don't need any more stigma attached to it.

That said, I won't disagree with you. If someone wants to do a Slaaneshi soulgrinder with a penis, go for it, but FFS do it well. If you can make it work then more power to you, but if you're just going to do it for the "lolz penis" reaction then please, don't bother.

Go for it, but dont go overboard.

The Old Daemonette's were way better,


Nudity is art isn't it


Well a wise man once said "Nudity is Art I came here to see you naked and have no shame at it at all!"

I agree with most of you all... females in bikini chainmail or less is funny, but totally tasteless.. daemonettes of slaanesh makes perfect sense, as do the old keeper of secrets.. heck, even the beasts of slaanesh have what... 5 pairs of boobs... now THAT is something I would think people would find horrifying, and OMG what are you doing to my kids.. but yes, you DON'T have to buy the minis... And I do agree with "equal opportunity" nudity... but find it amazing that more than a few seconds of full frontal male nudity will give a movie an X rating.. but not with females... is it really different?? Just because there is "more to see" in terms of us guys shouldn't matter.. in my humble opinion. That's why I was SO glad to find my old dusty unopened box of daemonettes, yeah they weigh a ton being metal, but they look SO dang COOL!!

Peace,

RennyD

Yeah, same here, RennyD, on a similiar note, I've seen a terminator sticking the finger thanks to the Chaos terminator lord kit's oversized middle finger power fist.

Why would GW make a bit like that?

Guess if you really want boobs you can just go to the internetz and find more boobs than you can handle. Wargaming just isnt the place to be worrying about boobs.

The players of these games are adults (I dont see too many chiddrins playing, or being able to afford it) so we should all be able to accept a little skin. While I dont think it makes sense for your Chapter Master's sausage to be hanging out of his pants, if you have an army of demons, then the nudity can make them all the more horrifying (it provides a very visceral connection to the bodies we know as real, which when companied with the horrible demon-y bits makes for a nice kick to the 'that's just wrong' part of the brain)

However, I also understand that a games store owner might not want you playing with the nudie models (because kids DO shop in his store) during games at the FLGS.

And on a side note, I totally understand that this may further alienate us from non gamers. I mean, sitting around in a dark room and playing weird games with naked toys that you hand painted looks just a tad strange to an outsider.

Who cares about nudity?

It never ceases to amaze me that people will cry foul over nudity on miniatures in a game where the good guys are warrior monks hell-bent on genocide.

Some historical wargame figures, such as Celts, are available with dangly bits. It's historically realistic.

Hahaha, this should lead to another poll: How many junior highers on voted for unbridled nudity?

If you want to put your units into battle half naked then they should forfeit their armour save or something...

I just think keep it away from the kids.
That means not really in stores.

I have never really seen the daemonettes in store windows, but I imagine that this might be a reason.

I honestly prefer less nudity,
but they are models, not real people, I love the art aspect, but I totally disagree that nudity equals art. Art should be more and skin does not grant you meaning if it is crap!!

IE, if you are going to do nudey models,
you better do it well and tastefully or I don't want anything to do with it.

I always sculpt genitalia on my models, especially in the case of kroot (both male and female).

Well, maybe i don't. I'm quite happy seeing bare chests on both male and female models, but I think taking it further than that is just asking for trouble.

Canonness Rory wrote:Nudity is fine, I view the hobby as an art form, but overtly sexual stuff is not art. This doesn't come up much, a naked woman or a willy here and there is fine, (see littleboyblues* gallery images for excellent examples of tastefully done work) a rhino with a sex toy attached to the top of it is not.

*Link to his profile: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/13017.page

I am assuming that you mean gratuitous sexuality, like... well most of this stuff (if not all) is done through conversion work. On a funnier note I would buy a penis-men army and I would laugh about it every single time I played a game... go that direction GW, I dare you .

"Note"
The turd and boob armies are currently being conceptualized as we speak... a veritable gold-mine I tell you.

I say do whatever you want. It's your army. There is no threshhold, for all the people saying to "keep it tastefull," where do you draw that line? Daemon tits are ok, but not dongs? Human nudity is ok, but only if they are from a warm climate?
You do realize that you are basing your arguments on an imaginary reality, right? Either that or simply pushing your own standards of "acceptable" and "unacceptable" nudity. It's my fething army, and if I want to show my Slaaneshi Demon beating himself raw I should be able to do that.
I understand why certain flgs wouldn't want you showing of that stuff in front of underagers, but I feel that if ANY type of nudity is allowed, then ALL type of nudity should be allowed, or else NO type of nudity is allowed.