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Why do you not attend gaming tournaments (check all that apply)?
The monetary cost (travel, hotel, entry fees, etc)
Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise
Too many rules arguments
I don't like playing in fast-paced, intense games
I'm a slow player and I don't think I'll finish my games
I'm not a good enough player and I'll probably lose a bunch
I don't think I'm a good enough painter
I don't have a fully painted army
crowded halls and/or gamer stench
I don't have any armies that are strong enough to compete
I'm afraid of cheaters
Its too tiring to spend all day on my feet
There aren't enough theme and composition restrictions anymore
There isn't enough emphasis on sportsmanship scoring anymore
There isn't enough emphasis on modeling/painting scoring anymore
There are too many similar army builds
OTHER (please write-in)
NONE of the reasons listed stop me from attending tournaments

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President of the Mat Ward Fan Club






Los Angeles, CA

Please check all the reasons you have never attended a gaming tournament or why you no longer attend gaming tournaments.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/09/09 13:13:59


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Sister Vastly Superior





Japan

I'm on an island in the midle of the Indian Ocean. So I'd have to say distance is the main reason. It'd also help to have a competitive army too I suppose.

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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter






Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)

distance is mine too. With a bit of warning I may be able to (and would like to) get there, but I haven't been able to so far.

BTW, I have heard PLENTY of horror stories concerning rules-freaks and other nasty stuff. I hope it's mostly hyperbole.

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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

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Numberless Necron Warrior





There's a huge lack of a decent tournament base in my local area. Which is a real shame.
   
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Dipping With Wood Stain







I don't have time to spend all day at an event.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut






I don't attend because 1. The nearest tournament once a year is 3hours drive away 2. The next nearest tournament once a year is 4 hours drive away 3. The next nearest tournament is about 8 hours drive away 4. I haven't been able to play for so long that I've sortof lost the urge to play and spend all my time focussing on painting and conversions anyways

I thinks they is some good arguments...


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Fresh-Faced New User



Indiana

I like to have fun, joke and laugh when I'm playing. With me it's not all about winning at any cost (even though crushing your opponent is a very gratifying experience) it's about having fun with your friends and having a good time while playing.
   
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40kenthus






Chicago, IL

Time cost - just not possible to fill a Saturday with nothing but gaming.

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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer






None of the stuff on that list would stop me from going to a tournament. There is a TO in my area that doesn't like me very much and In a City Fight tournament and in the 2008 Ard Boyz preliminary round he went out of his way to rule against me.

In the City Fight tournament I was in the finals against Chaos Demons and the scenario(home cooked) all you needed to do to win was get a unit into the building at the center of the table and stay there for 1full round without any enemy units inside. The Demon player through a fit because he had to deepstrike in and since I had Destroyers in my Necron army he thought I'd win first round before he got to go. The TO comes up and say "oh well just deploy them normally then." I say but that is against the rules of his codex and takes away any disadvantage of his army. The TO said "tough" but the Demon player to his credit decided to play by the rules. In round 2 of the tournament he disallowed a Dark Eldar player from using his always the attacker rule because he would win the scenario by turn 2(also home cooked scenario).

In the 2008 Ard Boyz preliminary round I was again in the finals competing for a spot in the top 3. My opponent was playing very slowly and I wanted to get to at least turn 5 so around turn 3 when we only had about 1hr left I started asking him to hurry so we could get another turn in. In his turn 4 he spends alot of time deciding where to deepstrike his demo teams. I ask him several times to please hurry. He takes about 20min on his move phase then starts shooting. He fires a full squad at a unit of my terminators and I have just allocated all my wounds picked up my dice and am about to start making saves when he says "WAIT, I forgot to move these units. Can I go back and move them, after all you were rushing me? I say no this is a tournament and you have to be responsible for your own actions and decisions he throws a fit calls the TO over we explain what happend and I state that he has already entered his shooting phase and that it would be against the rules to go back. The TO looks me in the face and says "I'll allow it. Deal with it." I placed 4th due to a loss in the final round. Luckily one of the top 3 couldn't go so I was able to make it anyway.

Bad rulings happen. Blatant disregard for the rules and not making an attempt to rule in an objective manner will keep me from going to a tournament.

Edit: Its not on the list but if a tournament has TOO much comp scoring it turns me off of going. Like the Fantasy tournaments that are 2500pts but VC and Demons can only take 2250 or 2000pts.

Edit2: If prize support really sucks I'll probably still go but I like it when there is something to win.

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Part of it is the travel time. I would never go to a tournament where I had to pay for a hotel. I don't even want to drive an hour or two just to go to a tournament. The cost is a big deal to me, too. It's usually $20-$30 to get into the con. Then it's another $10 to get into the tournament. The prizes are almost always pathetic... I just always walk away from them feeling like I wasted my day. This hobby is the absolute lowest priority in my life so if anything else comes up, even at the last minute, then 99.9% of the time I'll drop the tournament to go do that.

   
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Ruthless Rafkin






Glen Burnie, MD

I love tournaments. Three or more guaranteed games against fully painted armies. What more could you ask for?



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Charing Cold One Knight




Lafayette, IN

I'm against any tourney that has soft scores at all. Painting and modeling should be it's own event, and completely unrelated to the tourney itself. Sportsman ship should not come into it, since everybody knows its used for smearing guys you don't like, guys that might beat your friends, or punishing people that beat you. Enough judges should be there to throw out cheaters, and answer rules questions (not knowing the rules and using it to your advantage is cheating too). At best there should be a favorite opponent, people who get votes in that can win a door prize. Also some events have wonky list restrictions, or have army composition tiers/penalties. Its a tourney, save your fluff bunny lists for the painting event. Then there is the events that have FAQs larger than the main rule book, who for all practical purposes rewrite the rules.

What would help all of my complaints would be if GW actually supported ALL aspects of the hobby. Competitive gaming is as much of the hobby as buying overpriced plastic/metal and the gack we smear on them.

 
   
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps






Bristol

I voted other, ive never been because ive never got round to it, i will eventually though!
   
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Been Around the Block




Availability. I'd probably have to travel 100 miles to attend a real tournament. I would absolutely love to attend some real tournaments with a lot of competitors. But I absolutely hate leaving town. A few times a year there are some local ghetto tournaments with a few people. I haven't been interested enough to go to those.
   
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Swift Swooping Hawk





Calgary, AB

Money (like hell there are big tournaments in Alberta) and lack of a fully painted army. (My painted orks number in the double digits. Which, for orks, is not enough)

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The main gripe about tournaments is that there is never a clear winner. It's not enough to win your three games, you have to massacre your opponents over three games. This leads to many players fielding identical army lists and makes certain armies feel like they have no chance at winning since they cannot massacre every opponent.

Unfortunately the games take too long to play the number of games you would need to have a clear winner (through straight victories). It would be nice to be able to win without massacring every opponent. Also, while I do not encourage players to be jerks while playing, I also do not think people should make subjective scores based on it at tournaments either. In smaller venues it often leads to most people getting 9's while gamer clicks of 5 or so people will give each other 10s to help stack numbers in their favor. At larger events this is a non issue, but at local events of under 20 people it can be a deal breaker when first place is often within 5 points differentce of 2nd and 3rd place.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Sheffield, City of University and Northern-ness

I don't want to pay money to battle when I can do it at GW,
I don't like the Idea of a tournament, due to unfair builds etc.
I don't play very often, and lose almost every time, and so I would be paying money to lose.

   
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Master Sergeant




SE Michigan

Not a fun scene for me...maybe if I was younger
   
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UK - Down South - GB

too many unpainted minis for me
   
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon





Dayton, Ohio

There are too many options in this poll!!!! @_@

anyways, yeah

I'm not sure if I'm good enough yet to attend a tournament, and I know my friend isn't up for it (If I ever go though he'd probably come, 'to watch' )

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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Grim Forgotten Nihilist Forest.

Way too many option's

My disability with my army is that I have to order sonic blaster's from GW.

And make a legit Daemon Prince I use a DnD Dragon in it's place.

I've sold so many armies. :(
Aeldari 3kpts
Slaves to Darkness.3k
Word Bearers 2500k
Daemons of Chaos

 
   
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot






I dont have time, let alone the desire to A) leave my wife and kid at home or B) make them sit around all day for me to play.

I play the game to fun and talk and joke around with people. Besides, Im lucky I get the 5-8 hours that I do each week to play the game.
   
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Horrific Howling Banshee




Distance, money and time are my main factors. Although too much emphasis on soft scores also turns me off.


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Regular Dakkanaut




purging philadelphia

Nothing stopped me from going to the big tourneys until this year. Then GW stopped holding the GTs and pretty much cut their coverage of the tournament circuit alltogether. Go check how recently they updated the circuit coverage on their website to see what i mean. If the company who makes the game stops caring about the people who play the game, then its really not worth my time to shell out a grand or more for a trip to play in a tourney.

Ultimately I wanted to be #1 on the circuit standings. I made it to the top 10 in 08 and 07 but since gw cut their interest I've only gone to adepticon and a few local rtts. Its been hard to really get motivated to do a new army but since IG came out I started doing that. Ultimately though if the people who make the game arent interested in part of their customer base (avid tournament goers) then there really is no point to buy the product or participate in events unless i have personal stake in them through my flgs or gaming club affiliation.


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San Jose, CA

I'm a law student, before that I was a grad student, and I'm married. So for me it's a time issue, a free weekend comes by so infrequently that a large scale tournament just isn't an option.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




I just don't want to.
   
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Waaagh! Warbiker






I don't have an army...

The Seraphs of Thunder: a homebrew, almost entirely converted successor Deathwing. And also some Orks. And whatever else I have lying around. 
   
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Chino Hills, CA

Too young, no strong army builds yet, and not a fully painted army.

Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

Used to quite a bit, but now ive stopped for a while, tend to get irritated by people who will argue about rules when they havent even read a rule book in thier life.
This leads to wasted time, leading to games ending without much being done.
Hence why i love friendly game, you all get along, agree on rules and finish a battle pretty quickly.

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Crazed Witch Elf




Albuquerque, NM

My army isn't painted and my painting skills are on par with a chimp who would rather throw poo. Anytime my FLGS has a tournament that doesn't require a fully painted army though I like to compete.

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