How do I stop a HORDE army?

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**dracomere**

Mainly an ork army packed with 40-60 boyz, 30 lootaz, 20 nobz, 25+ kommandos and 2 warbosses? FYI I am also using an ork army, mainly composed of nob bikez. Please HELP

**forrestfire**

I strongly suggest taking out the lootas first. They can eat everything with those deffguns.

Also, forcing "No Retreat!" wounds on those boyz squads from the mob rule would be good.

Other than that, I can't help you. I've never faced another ork player before.

**starbomber109**

Pieplates are your friend. Make room for a KillKannon wagon, or a looted wagon with a boomgun. If he has that many orks, your going to score some hits, and dumping a pieplate on his lootas will make them run away (and your battlewagons are AV 14 on the front, meaning that as long as you face them the right way, the lootas will never be able to kill them.)

Other than that, your nob bikers should be able to take on his boyz and win, provided you only charge one unit at a time, try to isolate them from each-other and their Kan wall.

Edit: Wait...how did he get 25 kommandos? You should only be able to take 15 (16 with snikroot)

**dracomere**

Thanks, anything else? FYI Im running a kan wall of 6 kanz. I may get 1 battlewagon and 2 or 3 looted wagons.

**EzeKK**

Lootas, burnas, more boyz? Swamp them with KK's and DD? Nob Bikerz? All that stuff works.

**starbomber109**

Hee, run your Kanz into his Nobs or his boys, and ram your nob bikers at his lootas. The Kanz will tear boyz up, they'll still hit the boyz on 4s, and the boyz will have a hard time breaking AV11. (Only the nob with his Klaw will be a threat to your kans, hopefully you can win combat though, because he's only going to get a max of 3 penetrating hits on you.)

What weapons are your Kanz running?

**The Revelator**

That is not a HORDE army that is a large model count.

a HORDE army is 120 boyz at 1k points,
a HORDE army is bringing your army in buckets, spilling them onto the table, setting them right, and pushing them all behind the 12" line.
a HORDE army is imperial guard with minimum options, CCS + Infantry Platoons only.
a HORDE army is nids with all their troops choices filled.

a HORDE army is not 130-ish models at 2000 points.

The answer to your question: Burnas in battlewagons.

**augustus5**

Investing in Killkannon wagons or stripped down red wagons with burnas should do the trick, as stated by previous posters.

Lootas can't touch your front armor on your wagons and if you force them to move they can't shoot you. Your bikers should have a field day ripping though mobs of boyz as well. If you can get your bikers stuck in the lootas will have nothing to shoot at.

**Eyclonus**

The Revelator wrote:That is not a HORDE army that is a large model count.

a HORDE army is 120 boyz at 1k points,
a HORDE army is bringing your army in buckets, spilling them onto the table, setting them right, and pushing them all behind the 12" line.
a HORDE army is imperial guard with minimum options, CCS + Infantry Platoons only.
a HORDE army is nids with all their troops choices filled.

a HORDE army is not 130-ish models at 2000 points.

The answer to your question: Burnas in battlewagons.

Got a point there. 40 - 60 boyz at 2000 points is not a horde. 180 boyz + extras is what you'd be facing in a 2000 points horde list.

Burnas in battlewagons is pretty much the ork's answer to massed models.

**Nurglitch**

Burn them. BURN THEM ALL!

**Pipboy101**

Shoota and Big Shoota all in trukks or BW. Or Burnas in BWs since all can shoot out because they are open topped using the end of the hull for range. Add a Deff Roller on the front and move 12" you will be in shoota range. That is 40 18" S4 shots measured from the roller then just drive by or back up everyturn shooting and that army will fall.

starbomber109 wrote:
Edit: Wait...how did he get 25 kommandos? You should only be able to take 15 (16 with snikroot)

Yep that is too many elite choices.

**SagesStone**

Against hordes, vehicles and lots of templates are usually good.

**QuietOrkmi**

you can take Nobz as a troop choice for every Warboss you have...

For the last time, that is a large model count not horde...

I run 80 Boyz, 20 Lootas, 20 Nobz, 10 Kommandos + Snikrot, 9 Warbuggies, and 2 Warbosses.

I do not consider that a horde army. Just a high model count.

**Pipboy101**

A horde to me is 180+ ork spam.

**Dr Weirdboy**

to get rid of ork hordes using orks, 2 big meks: give 1 shokk gun (place it in cover away from bulk of your army) and 1 shield. place the shield with a squad of lootas place the lootas in an open topped battle wagon with a regular kannon (so lootas and mek protected by armor protected by a 4+save) placed next to a looted wagon with a boom gun so it gets a 4+ save. bring 2 deffdreads as troops and give them skorchas. bring a squad of killakans and give them grotzookas. You'll notice the common theme here is any kind of template mounted on something that doesnt have to get too close unless its safe for it (like the dread and kans) I just thought this up as i was typing it so feel free to build on this idea.

**dracomere**

My killa kans are 4 bs and 2 kustom blastas

**Arbalest**

Grotzooka killa kans will obliterate his boyz, and only nobs can hurt them in close combat. If he explodes your killa kans, then his boyz will take the brunt of the explosion. Also, make sure that you get the charge on his orks, since +1 S, I and A is huge.

**Eyclonus**

Um Charging Kans?

Aren't they WS 2?

**QuietOrkmi**

They still hit on 4+.

**starbomber109**

and still have a S10 DCCW, so they will still mess things up in CC (actually they will instakill nobs, but it'd be a bit hard to get to grips with them, and there's so many power Klaws in there you'd get torn up real good, boyz only get the one nob with his PK though, unless he gets lucky and gets 3x pens, your probably pretty safe.)

**Dr Weirdboy**

dracomere wrote:My killa kans are 4 bs and 2 kustom blastas

Did you mean they are "for" BS or have BS 4? (because they are BS 3). and kustom blastas aren't very effective against hordes because your spending points on strength and ap you dont need. Your killakans will insta kill 3 ork boyz with a good round of shooting. grotzookas (for half the cost) not only have enough AP to deal with hordes but you will hit way more of them. Skorchas may do the trick but thats going to require your kans to be dedicated to combats sooner than they would otherwise have to be, little but more riskier than keeping them just out of assault range pinging away at them with templates.

**Kirbinator**

Dr Weirdboy wrote:Did you mean they are "for" BS or have BS 4?

I assumed he meant four Big Shootas. While suboptimal to say the least, it is correct and legal.

**Gold tooth Jerry**

Pie templates of doom!! If nids tho shoot the big one!!! Then drop the pie templates and flamers. Orks just get them down below 11 and all the sudden your life will be so much easier when fighting orks.

**Manstein**

Flamers.... 'nuff said.