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I have throughly play-tested this make and wonder what you think.

They are called Purifiers, Fluffwise they wear an older and more advanced form of Terminator armor.

Purifiers

Unit size 1-3 Purifiers 65 pts each
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WS,5; BS,4; S,4;T,4;W,2; I,4; A,3; Ld,8; Sv,2+

Wargear: Master crafted lightning claw, Heavy Flamer, Purifier Armor

Purifier Armor: Essentially Terminator Armor with advanced force field generators, gives its wearer a 2+ armor save and a 3+ invulnerable save.

Special rules: Fearless, Furious Charge



I made these guys because i think that there should be terminators with 2 wounds(Obliterator envy )

in playing them found they are deadly in assault, vulnerable to ID causing weapons and tanks.

If i understand this correct you can only take 1 squad of these guys right? The only problem i see is they are the same as termies with stormshields only they have 2 wounds and better WS but basically the same.


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I like the fearless rule and furious charge but think the 3+ inv. seems kinda steep and at the lowest a 4+ inv. would fit better. The 2 wounds is kinda up in the air for me i like the idea of it but not quite sure.

that is correct, but the MC/LC can really put the hury on any thing w/ot an Inv and the have 4 attacks each if they get the charge.

i have wondered about the 3+ Inv

So, uh, "thoroughly play-tested" eh?

Just saying they work well, don't seem too OP

Okay, so what sort of play-testing did you do?

squads of 3 to 5 or people will just take 10 deep strike wound allocate and use shrike to assault anything next turn

used them in around 2 dozen regular games against Orks, Nids, eldar, dark eldar, SMs, IG, Chaos deamons, and marines, and 2 appocolypse games.

They would kill Plague marines, Nids and Boys like it was no ones business, Banshees would come around dead even with them and monsterous creatures would rip them apart. Str 8 weapons and higher could ID them 1/3 of the time.

Got advice from some GW employees at a store on the pts cost as well.

Basically attrition was the best way to kill them.

You can only take 1 squad of 3 ripister. That way you dont have an overly powered squad of them tearing through everything it runs into.


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You can only take 1 squad of 3 ripister. That way you dont have an overly powered squad of them tearing through everything it runs into.


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I hate that. Anyways what you could do is, you may have done this already, play test in small games and large say 500 and 2500 so you can tell whether they are balanced. Then test with 4+ inv. in both games and 1 wound with both 3+ and 4+ inv. saves. I dont think any other rules that you have for them makes them OPed. I give you kudos though they seem like a good idea. Now your next project do something cool like this for CHAOS!

i did make it so you can only have one squad because i didn't want them OP, (I know a lot of people who like to ignore this rule)

what you think about 4+ Inv and only 55 pts each

CHAOS?, no way! You have Obliterators and that is way OP and you can take NINE of them

(Obliterator envy again)

I know but...bu...bu but i want it. Anywho well a tzeentch termie squad of 3 bare costs 130 so i would have to say that they need to at least be 60 for the fact that they have 2 wounds.

OK 60 pts if your going to whine about it

don't Tzeench termies have some insane Str 4 AP 3 bolters

Nope only 1k sons do. My army by the way. The only reason i suggested 60 is now that i look at it you combined a tzeentch termie, with a better inv. save mind you, with an oblit., minus all the crazy weapons and made them CC monsters which is great. So the more i look at this the more that i think you did a really good job on creating them.

Lose Fearless and Furious Charge.

Vindicator#9 wrote:You can only take 1 squad of 3 ripister. That way you dont have an overly powered squad of them tearing through everything it runs into.


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You can only take 1 squad of 3 ripister. That way you dont have an overly powered squad of them tearing through everything it runs into.


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I hate that. Anyways what you could do is, you may have done this already, play test in small games and large say 500 and 2500 so you can tell whether they are balanced. Then test with 4+ inv. in both games and 1 wound with both 3+ and 4+ inv. saves. I dont think any other rules that you have for them makes them OPed. I give you kudos though they seem like a good idea. Now your next project do something cool like this for CHAOS!

Yeah I know i'm trying say as a nid player i know i can drop 48 shots re-rolls hit and wounds on them. So if you could take 5 it gives them a little buff i mean i wouldn't waste heavy weapons on that squad if i was IG loads of las-guns means they will fail 2+ saves. As nids or orks huge numbers of shots not gonna last long. But i guess they could be considered a shock team

My fault ripister. I see where you are coming from but put them in a LR and there you go assault right out of a tank. @ tacobake why would you want that gone just curious?

Yess I just tested it then 5 of these termies and only 1 was left alive with 1 wound after my army was done. However that's my whole armies not shooting at anything else. If you give them a LR you will get to axe a fex or tyrant easy before i get to put those shoots on them so yeah. It's hard to judge.

Did it 5 times by the way twice all the termies died, Once 1 was left alive with 1 wound and twice 2 were left alive on 1 wound (was an average)

edit again use these guys with shrike or khan would be a veru fun army hello my super termies are right next to your gunline or fleeting towards it. My Tau friend was crap himself

Hmm... good test i see so what you are saying is they are not much better than regular termies. They would be a good target saturator. Did the fearless rule do any damage to them?

Did you consider a shooty option?

Vindicator#9 wrote:Hmm... good test i see so what you are saying is they are not much better than regular termies. They would be a good target saturator. Did the fearless rule do any damage to them?

They are way better than normal termies because usually i'd run genestalers into termies instead of focusing so much firepower at them then run have my withoutnumber gaunt squads running into them over and over. I also forgot to test for fearless..... stuiped me.

Canonness Rory wrote:Did you consider a shooty option?

Wouldn't you put 2 wound termies into cc it seems to scream it for me.

True i dont usually run my tzeentch termies less than 8 so they take alot of shots. Much agreed they would stand a better chance at 5. And yes 2 wounds does scream CC with these monsters.

Can't complain. Close combat 2 wound termies make them a nice mirror to those Chaos Obliterators, who (as far as I've seen) are better ranged than in CC

Canonness Rory wrote:Did you consider a shooty option?

I have considered a version with a fist and a Twin-linked Auto-cannon and options for a TL Lazcannon for 10 pts and or a Relic Blade for free.
with this they become a fire base that can also kill in CC (or i could give them Flamestorm cannons)

@Tacodude why loose the great rules


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Also main purpose when i was designing these guys was a throw away unit that takes down something big/lots of and basically be a pain in the rear for my opponent. something i think they do fine.

or prehaps just give them options to replace the Heavy flamer for Twin-linked Autocannon(free), Twin-linked Lazcannon (10 pts) and replace MC Lclaw with a Relic Blade for free

What do you think