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Decrepit Dakkanaut




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What I really like is that it fits the asthetics from the Underworld Warband which means its very likely we'll see a few more mortal followers in the same design appear.


It's shaping up for slaanesh to get a really solid mortals release!

   
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 GaroRobe wrote:

Speaking of which, is this a guy or a girl?

Yes
   
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Those Slaaneshi are shaping up to be quite the nice range of sculpts. I like that this one has some ornate things, but at the same time isn't overflowing with detail that can just make it annoying to paint up. More refined and elegant. Good stuff - looking forward to more!
   
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Nice, this is the direction i was hoping Warcry would go in. I want more characterful looking mercenaries and bounty hunters ala Necromunda.
   
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Great stuff, this is a much better cow helmet.
   
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader





Lovely new model, cool to see that characters will be included in the faction specific books as opposed to being in a separate "hero book" (ala Monsters and Mercenaries).

Now if only they would release a Shattered Realms for Dungeon games with the Dungeon rules......because I have no interest in that boxed set as a whole, but would love to play some Dungeon games.


 
   
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On the Crimson Path

 BertBert wrote:
Great stuff, this is a much better cow helmet.


Helmet!?!

Horns come on helmets now? What a Mortal Realms we live on now.

   
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Fixture of Dakka






Well it's confirmed that the Agents of Chaos book has all of the 8 Warcry specific warband rules in it and the Hedonite mortals are listed as Slaanesh Sybarites



ToC Contents page

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warcry-Tome-Of-Champions-EN-2020


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Right behind you.

Shadowstalkers are in the Order book too. Delightful!
   
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 Overread wrote:
What I really like is that it fits the asthetics from the Underworld Warband which means its very likely we'll see a few more mortal followers in the same design appear.


It's shaping up for slaanesh to get a really solid mortals release!


I feel exactly the same; I was a little worried after the last preview we weren't going to get more of the underworlds style mortals, but this character sets me at ease.

They are easily the most interesting and refreshing design to come to AoS since the warcry warbands, which were the best since the Acolytes of Tzeentch (for me)

   
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Fixture of Dakka






It seems that only a few of the UK independent retailers are getting the Warcry stuff and those that are are selling the books at full retail no discounts.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

 DaveC wrote:
It seems that only a few of the UK independent retailers are getting the Warcry stuff and those that are are selling the books at full retail no discounts.


A shame to hear, but it might be GW is having trouble ordering in bulk from China and such. Or they just can't get what they have got shipped out of the warehouse as fast as normal.

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Yeah i saw Element didn't have them this morning, which was annoying. Didn't really want to have to do direct, but whatever. It's that time of year when saving goes out of the window anyway.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Yeah i saw Element didn't have them this morning, which was annoying. Didn't really want to have to do direct, but whatever. It's that time of year when saving goes out of the window anyway.


Wayland and Firestorm have them but neither have discounts on the books, Firestorm is full RRP on everything, Wayland have discounts on non book stuff. Element, Goblin Gaming and Darksphere don't appear to have them.

EDIT: OnTableTop have 18% discount available including the books.

It's still cheaper for me to pay the full Sterling price than the full Euro price and I reached Wayland's free shipping threshold. This may be the last order I make from the UK though depends what happens in 26 days time!

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Bane Thrall






Goblin “had” them as I placed my order this morning... will have to wait and see if I get an email saying they won’t actually be getting stock.

Corona continues to absolutely wreck global manufacturing and shipping, so it’s not surprising that even GW are having issues securing enough stock.

...and you will know me by the trail of my lead... 
   
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Darkwolf



West Sussex, UK

I had a race this morning and, in the past, I have ordered whilst running I didn’t think stock would be so low on this so held off until I was done. Ended up having to get them directly from GW as couldn’t see discounted anywhere else.

Annoyingly when I later checked my emails I found a store I can’t recall hearing of or ever using had emailed me advertising them with a 20% discount. Not end of the world as I have a £20 voucher to use by end of month anyway, I would just rather used it on something I couldn’t get with a discount elsewhere.
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Gareth Etherington's reviews of the 4 books - he was asked not to show the Hedonite Sybarites so he skipped them.

Plenty of new stuff for everyone, Cities get profiles for practically everything - you pick a city and that determines your abilities but you can pick any available leader or fighter as they all have the cities icon. Gitz get Spider Riders and Scuttleboss

https://taleofpainters.blogspot.com/2020/12/review-warcry-grand-alliance-chaos.html













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Honestly, these reviews allow you to play directly. The skipped pages about Mortals of Slaanesh are clearly 4 - 1 for the abilities and 3 for the profiles. So there is definitely more than just the armored guys we saw in the preview...
   
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Mostly just more stuff for the AoS bands, meanwhile OG bands have 1 leader and tiny amount of choice for dudes.

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Right behind you.

Oh yeah, for those trying to figure out why the Shadowstalkers and Scions of the Flame are $5 higher than the 'first wave' warbands?


Counter sheet in there, like the bundle boxes have had.
   
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On the Crimson Path

I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.

Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally seemed to revolve around, and those cultists ended up being pretty weak (so I heard) in their own game. However, I didn't think Warcry included as much as it apparently does.

So for anyone that has played Warcry, has it been like this for a while? Does it still work okay for the Warcry Cultists? Can those cultists get by with a single or even just double set of models?

I'm still thinking of getting the book as it seem like a minimal investment on my part at this point, and I think Warcry is simple enough I can convince the few people in my Covid circle to give it a go. I just want to get a better idea of where this game stands now, and far it is from the starter box and pretty much the Warcry cultists it seemed to revolve around.

   
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Varanguard is not the equivalent to a Leman Russ tank.

And Killteam have crisis battlesuit, as well as many big beefy commanders.

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The Varanguard profile was originally only intended for scenario play, as were the rest of the S2D at first. Iirc the Varanguard was not in the card pack.

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 JonWebb wrote:
Goblin “had” them as I placed my order this morning... will have to wait and see if I get an email saying they won’t actually be getting stock.

Corona continues to absolutely wreck global manufacturing and shipping, so it’s not surprising that even GW are having issues securing enough stock.


Just heard back on my order, the four faction books have shipped and the Tome has been refunded as it seems those won't be coming in in the near future.

So, mostly a win but it does look like the books will be slim on the ground to start.

Hopefully not a one and done print so I can pick the missing book up and everyone gets a fair crack at them too.

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Westchester, NY

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.

Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally d.


The lord on karadrak is a great option, now you can pick up a start collecting set and build a slaves to darkness warband out of it.

Maybe its a little farfetched, but is it really worse than playing alongside custodes? Especially in something like kill team?

 
   
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I think the leman russ tank equivalent would be drafting a chimera, hydra, or the like into a warband. Which we have been able to do for some time now and it hasn't upset the structure. Thing is the larger models really pay for it in maneuverability, that base size lets smaller infantry dance around them with ease by using terrain.

Still trying to be more polite. If you catch me being toxic please call me on it.

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 Meade wrote:
 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.

Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally d.


The lord on karadrak is a great option, now you can pick up a start collecting set and build a slaves to darkness warband out of it.

Maybe its a little farfetched, but is it really worse than playing alongside custodes? Especially in something like kill team?


Potentially unpopular opinion, I never thought Custodes should have been added to Kill Team as it plays currently. The designers had to cheat the Kill Team rules by allowing less than 3 models to be a team while at the same time severely under pointing their full 40k cost to have chance of fitting the typical points limits. Even doing these things created a skew faction that, more often than not, leads to uninteresting games. If the mission favors very small, super-elite teams Custodes can do well, if not they tend to do poorly. Especially when it isn't uncommon for a few dice rolls to practically insta-kill a Custode.

Now, I have no issue with Kill Team points being greatly different from the full 40k equivalent. I only bring it up as it seemed fairly apparent the Kill Team designers didn't want to stray that far as practically all units (not weapons/wargear) were the same cost as they were when Kill Team was released. I am personally not bothered about Custodes to some extent. I wanted to get a kill team of them, but I understood their rules allowed to participate in Kill Team not be balanced in Kill Team usually being kinda bad.

I am super glad that Custodes (or Daemons) weren't in the core rule book. To my mind that would just invite a brand-new player to like those models, pick up some boxes and be miserable as they don't fit very well the way the game is setup. By delaying their presence it helps indicate that they aren't really meant to be an entry faction to the game as they radically deviate from the core play mechanics intent. It still happened, but at least there were some clues.

To my mind, Warcry is still that game about tribal human/demi-human adventuring parties drawn to Chaos and seeking to start on the Path of Glory. The other factions kinda globbed on to make Warcry more than a one-and-done specialist game like Betrayal at Calth. Basically taking about 100 points in AoS and zooming in the scope of the combat while largely staying more mundane than full AoS. I do think that idea might be outdated now.

I don't necessarily mind Warcry becoming less a Kill Team and more a Combat Patrol equivalent either. However, most of the Warcry cultists I have are just the non-Warcry doubled models boxes. I don't want to pick up a third set of cultists to make a full team for Warcry. I say that because in AoS, Warcry cultists are 70pts per set. So 3 sets is 210pts which is still less than what a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak costs when play AoS. I can also understand Warcry lowering the relative points cost, like Kill Team did with Custodes, but I could also see the game just kinda moving away from Warcry cultists entirely at this point. Which even in the early days of Warcry it kinda already did as Warcry cultists didn't sound like they were doing that well vs. regular AoS factions. Maybe that was just the Iron Golems though.

So I was wondering for those who have been playing Warcry and keeping up with it, how far has Warcry moved away from a set or two of the Warcry Cultist models with all the bigger (medium-ish sized in AoS) stuff that has been added? And how disruptive are those bigger units in Warcry?

   
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My splintered fang have never had issue with 'regular AoS' warbamds. There are some they even tend to just slaughter outright. The cultist warbands have a lot of specialist models to draw from that are very good for a specific role. It provides them a tactical resource many other warbands don't match.

I have heard of Iron Golems under performing since the first starter box hit, their slowness making things difficult in many scenarios.

If anything what's funny is how pathetic the cultist warbands are in AoS. I get that they are just normal humans but still...

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Still trying to be more polite. If you catch me being toxic please call me on it.

Enjoying narrative before matched play, crusading on a path to glory! 
   
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Westchester, NY

Well ive gotten few games in since covid but, im happy for the heroes and larger options in the game. It will probably result in some imbalance here and there but lets face it, warcry is a casual game from the start and not really built to stand up to the competitive treatment. There are basically 3 ways to play in the rulebook and i think they are all quite legit, and playing the campaigns changes a lot of things, the games get larger and higher powered, you get access to monsters/thralls and picking men from your roster is a more important part of the game....

 
   
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Vihti, Finland

Huh, going by that review Legions of Nagash Warband (that I started as warband but it grew into an army, oops) they got lot more options and all Leaders can summon skeletons, not just necromancer.

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