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Interesting alternate colour schemes some people made of the new Exo suits

I'd like to see a gold and white one with gold on the shoulders and a pure white.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has it been said anywhere if the Einhyr Hearthguard are going to be along the lines of terminator equivalents rather than power armour equivalents?

tneva82 wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:


Second, which really ties into the first, when the original Squats were out they didn't sell well. Jes Goodwin and others really didn't like the range and when it came down to it they were nixed early on. Now obviously time has passed and actually some people do like the old Squats but that remains a small amount. Again, I think fear of a Squats release repeat will have led to the design shifting fairly far from "Dwarfy".

They sold more than several other lines. The leathercoats on bikes idea just didn't appeal to anybody on studio as squats had failed to evoke dwarf feel then.

So funnily enough not going dwarf style they are risking repeating what got squats squatted in the first place.

I've seen a lot people claim "They were removed for being fantasy Dwarfs in space!" when the reason they were removed was supposedly the opposite; the Silly bikers named Squats thing turned the proud, noble fantasy Dwarf archetype into a joke rather than being a serious take on it.

Is it? Well, consider me mistaken. Well! Forget roughly half of what I said

Still, I think the main thing was they didn't want to do the same as before.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Has it been said anywhere if the Einhyr Hearthguard are going to be along the lines of terminator equivalents rather than power armour equivalents?

I'm assuming they're the heaviest infantry in the range, since they seem so much more armored-up than any other faction's power armor. If they have an even heavier "suit", I could see that being an Ironkin in a task-customized chassis, like the WarCom writeup hinted at them using. But I don't think there's been anything concrete. We didn't really know about the existence of the Hearthguard until the article dropped, for example - although I think we were all expecting some kind of heavy exo-armor unit to show up eventually.

My speculations for Heathguard:
T4, 2+ save, 3 wounds, takes -1 damage.

Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

Flat panels are less boring that panels with ornamentation? OK, then...

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

Flat panels are less boring that panels with ornamentation? OK, then...

Maybe NAVARRO likes to do freehand(?)

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

Flat panels are less boring that panels with ornamentation? OK, then...

Try to paint a gradient around an ornament or on a flat surface... then multiply that by 10 or more depending on how many armour plates with ornaments the mini has and then come back to me.

On a purely aesthetically perspective though yes the more specific you make something the more repetitive it gets once you have multiples of the same thing.

 MinscS2 wrote:
My speculations for Heathguard:
T4, 2+ save, 3 wounds, takes -1 damage.

T5.
GW has totally forgoten what the stating is supposed to be in that game, random orcs have now T5, there's no way these guys don't have it too.

 (HN) wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:
My speculations for Heathguard:
T4, 2+ save, 3 wounds, takes -1 damage.

T5.
GW has totally forgoten what the stating is supposed to be in that game, random orcs have now T5, there's no way these guys don't have it too.

Yeah I was thinking T5 first as well, but regular LoV troops are T4.

Of course, Space Marines are T4 base too, but have both T4 (Terminator) and T5 (Gravis) heavy armour-units, so who knows.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

Those shoulder panels are begging for customisation for sure, it will be interesting to see what people do with them.

derpherp wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow love the Orange colour!
I think these will be so fun to paint with contrasts too.
Nice areas to just paint as you will with not many meddling boring ornamentations.

Those shoulder panels are begging for customisation for sure, it will be interesting to see what people do with them.

Indeed, these minis are just an open canvas and a joy for painting, they look as well balanced as the first primaris.
Space for gradients, freehands and decals is a big plus in my book.

Like I said these look like awesome to try out those new contrasts with metallics etc.

I just noticed that the chest ornamentation looks a bit like an eye... so who needs a head? ...

I have no idea why they thought making that post was a good idea ngl.
The only thing it does is hammering home how much better, flavorful and unique the squat designs are compared to the votann.

I'm also wondering if they have any plan at all to put the squats in the votann codex or not. I keep hearing that the scale is different between Necromunda and 40k (which is mindblowingly stupid from GW ngl) but is the difference big enough to have them just not fit at all?

The very... deliberate choice of giving them the exact same colors-heme seems more than just a random coincidence ngl.

Also, random nitpick but that logo they have put on the chest of the squat reminds me a LOT of the Xcom logo.

Edit: Ho yeah, and also apparently some repurposed mining gear from a backwater abhuman group is on par with the top of the line of the Votann and their golden age of technology.
Great writing here GW.

How are the squats on Necromunda backwater? Necromunda doesn’t have open water.

But really, just because they’ve been there for ten thousand years, doesn’t mean they forgot how to make the good stuff, or that they weren’t in contact with their home world.

I’m just curious about what’s going to happen when they finish the job and present the invoice…

 (HN) wrote:


I have no idea why they thought making that post was a good idea ngl.
The only thing it does is hammering home how much better, flavorful and unique the squat designs are compared to the votann.

How so? Neither particularly stand out to me. They have some overlap and clear influences that can be traced back decades (the Squat suit more to the old Squat egg-suits, the Votann suit to fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf armor designs, among other things)

But I wouldn't characterize either as unique, or better. The flavor is pretty standard 40k power armor/dreads.

It just proves that the Squat genotype has hyper mobile hip joints, while the Votann went more for the shoulders…

Personally I prefer the Votann suit as the Squat thingy looks too much like a crab for my liking.

Voss wrote:

How so? Neither particularly stand out to me. They have some overlap and clear influences that can be traced back decades (the Squat suit more to the old Squat egg-suits, the Votann suit to fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf armor designs, among other things)

But I wouldn't characterize either as unique, or better. The flavor is pretty standard 40k power armor/dreads.

Didn't you answer you own question?

How is the squat armor that trace its style more from... THE OLDER SQUATS more unique than the votan which is "fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf"?
How one thing that is that is a throwback to an older version of the squats and has a pretty unique look more unique than something that (in your own words) is fairly generic?

Cmon now.

Also, I'll have to disagree on the D&D and Warcraft Dwarf thing here, while it's indeed failry generic, it's not dwarvish at all and instead very, VERY close to generic scifi and Starcraft designs(which has some similar artstyle to warcraft, true).
Hell, I can't unsee the pretty big parallel with the Doom Eternal Slayer design now with that random wrist blade and green armor.

You are perfectly allowed to like the Votann, but please don't be disingenuous and try to pretend they are as original, flavorful or unqiue than the squat on that picture.

 (HN) wrote:


I have no idea why they thought making that post was a good idea ngl.
The only thing it does is hammering home how much better, flavorful and unique the squat designs are compared to the votann.

I'm also wondering if they have any plan at all to put the squats in the votann codex or not. I keep hearing that the scale is different between Necromunda and 40k (which is mindblowingly stupid from GW ngl) but is the difference big enough to have them just not fit at all?

I actually like it. It is a way of having the best of both worlds in my opinion and giving us instantly two flavours of a faction (which is something some other factions desperately need, like the Sisters of Battle for example).

Talking about the "Scale". Squats are about a head shorter compared to guard models, which is fitting. I'm surprised this image hasn't been shared on this site that often.



One more point. I'm tired of people saying that Necromunda is a different scale. It is not. Comparisons made with the Necromunda always focuses on factions that kind of justify their size. The only outlier in this are the enforcers, and they are the same size as Sororitas.

Goliath are in-everything-but name to be considered abhumans.

Escher are wearing high-heels and high headdresses, which on a model with "hero-scale proportions" is going to make them quite tall

Delaque are so mysteriously remote from humans it is unknown if they still are considered humans.

The rest are the same size as Genestealer cult neophytes.

Are we sure the exo driller is forgeworld?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Are we sure the exo driller is forgeworld?

I don't think we actually know, but since it's a gang-specific Brute, it wouldn't be out of left field.

Let's just cross fingers it is plastic.

 Segersgia wrote:


One more point. I'm tired of people saying that Necromunda is a different scale. It is not. Comparisons made with the Necromunda always focuses on factions that kind of justify their size. The only outlier in this are the enforcers, and they are the same size as Sororitas.

Thanks for the pic and precision, I always thought very... strange that they would have changed the scale of Necromunda.
That said, they did change the scale of Cursed City as they are WAY bigger than the 40k scale so it wouldn't have surprised me that much if they fudged Necromunda scale too for some odd reasons.

 (HN) wrote:

Voss wrote:

How so? Neither particularly stand out to me. They have some overlap and clear influences that can be traced back decades (the Squat suit more to the old Squat egg-suits, the Votann suit to fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf armor designs, among other things)

But I wouldn't characterize either as unique, or better. The flavor is pretty standard 40k power armor/dreads.

Didn't you answer you own question?

How is the squat armor that trace its style more from... THE OLDER SQUATS more unique than the votan which is "fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf"?
How one thing that is that is a throwback to an older version of the squats and has a pretty unique look more unique than something that (in your own words) is fairly generic?

I did not. Mostly because the old squats didn't have a unique look. They were a mix of old WFB dwarf stuff (which were designed to be generic tolkien-to-D&D dwarfs) mixed with 40k imperial guard. Old warhammer wasn't supposed to be unique, they were deliberately drawing on existing pop culture patterns.

Also, I'll have to disagree on the D&D and Warcraft Dwarf thing here, while it's indeed failry generic, it's not dwarvish at all and instead very, VERY close to generic scifi and Starcraft designs(which has some similar artstyle to warcraft, true).

So you disagree but its true?

Hell, I can't unsee the pretty big parallel with the Doom Eternal Slayer design now with that random wrist blade and green armor.

Ah, yes. Green armor and wrist blades. That's certainly distinctive.

You are perfectly allowed to like the Votann, but please don't be disingenuous and try to pretend they are as original, flavorful or unqiue than the squat on that picture.

This was directed at someone else, yeah?
But still, you haven't given any reason the squat model is 'original, flavorful or unique.' I get that you like it (and that's fine). But... those particular adjectives just don't line up with what is a pretty basic (mini)dreadnought. with flamer and power fist.

Voss wrote:

 (HN) wrote:

Voss wrote:

How so? Neither particularly stand out to me. They have some overlap and clear influences that can be traced back decades (the Squat suit more to the old Squat egg-suits, the Votann suit to fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf armor designs, among other things)

But I wouldn't characterize either as unique, or better. The flavor is pretty standard 40k power armor/dreads.

Didn't you answer you own question?

How is the squat armor that trace its style more from... THE OLDER SQUATS more unique than the votan which is "fairly generic 4e D&D and Warcraft dwarf"?
How one thing that is that is a throwback to an older version of the squats and has a pretty unique look more unique than something that (in your own words) is fairly generic?

They were a mix of old WFB dwarf stuff (which were designed to be generic tolkien-to-D&D dwarfs)

You mean the Space Dwarfs were themed around Dwarfs. Those aspects aren't "generic" when they're part of what makes up the whole idea in the first place.

 (HN) wrote:

Thanks for the pic and precision, I always thought very... strange that they would have changed the scale of Necromunda.
That said, they did change the scale of Cursed City as they are WAY bigger than the 40k scale so it wouldn't have surprised me that much if they fudged Necromunda scale too for some odd reasons.

At the end of the day, the scale of miniatures that are outliers can "lorewise" be explained through a variety of reasons. In settings as big as 40k or AoS, stuff is going to diverge from normal human height. In AoS it is because of magic and blessings, while in 40k, it is mutations, or the effects of rejuvenant/genetic treatments, or even just the living conditions of the planet they originate from. It is why people still can't decide on the size of Firstborn Space Marines (which in my opinion is 7ft/2.10 metres).

Voss wrote:
I did not. Mostly because the old squats didn't have a unique look. They were a mix of old WFB dwarf stuff (which were designed to be generic tolkien-to-D&D dwarfs) mixed with 40k imperial guard. Old warhammer wasn't supposed to be unique, they were deliberately drawing on existing pop culture patterns.

That's not what I'm saying. The new squats are actually way more unique because they are trying udpate the old Squats design to fit in the modern 40k setting while still trying to stay true to their old look and making them look distinctive on their own right. The Votann are as you've said yourself, painfully generic.

Voss wrote:
So you disagree but its true?

I mean, I know you are trying to be a nitpicky contrarian for some reasons, but at least pay attention to what I say.
I'm not saying its true, I'm saying it's clearly not "dwarvish" (either from D&D or Warcraft) and instead very close to Starcraft (which has some similarity in ART STYLE, but not design).

Voss wrote:
Ah, yes. Green armor and wrist blades. That's certainly distinctive.

See you are doing it again, being intentionally obtuse for some weird reason.

Voss wrote:

But still, you haven't given any reason the squat model is 'original, flavorful or unique.' I get that you like it (and that's fine). But... those particular adjectives just don't line up with what is a pretty basic (mini)dreadnought. with flamer and power fist.

I didn't because it was self evident to anyone that didn't intentional go out of it's way to be dense.
Look at that Exo-Driller. Is it a lazy retread of something else to the point of instantly thinking"Oh yeah, that's X"? Do you think it's out of place in a space dwarf mining faction?

I don't know about you, but the the answer to all that is a clear no.
No, it's not an obvious lazy retread and no it doesn't look out of place in a space dwarf mining faction, two things the votan is guilty of.

Also, one thing that this exo-driller does very well is to fit in the "old 40k" style, since it has some similarity to the old Saturnine Pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour in its general shape and its legs, which makes sens since this armour was also a repurposed hazard equipment.


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 Segersgia wrote:
At the end of the day, the scale of miniatures that are outliers can "lorewise" be explained through a variety of reasons. In settings as big as 40k or AoS, stuff is going to diverge from normal human height. In AoS it is because of magic and blessings, while in 40k, it is mutations, or the effects of rejuvenant/genetic treatments, or even just the living conditions of the planet they originate from. It is why people still can't decide on the size of Firstborn Space Marines (which in my opinion is 7ft/2.10 metres).

In theory yes, but thos Cursed city guys are REALLY too tall to fit convincingly in 40K I got them to build some Blackstone Fotress fanmade new rogue traders, but god damn they are just towering over everyone else in a way that can't just be shrugged with "yeah, they are just baskeball players".

 NAVARRO wrote:
Are we sure the exo driller is forgeworld?

The article notes a Friday pre-order date, traditionally Forge World's day of choice; regular GW would be Saturday.

If you watch the pre-order preview video on sunday they said 'from Forgeworld" for Ka’bandha and sqat driller.

Dang. I convinced myself that the suit was gonna be in plastic. I love the fw necromunda models but they usually are easy to tell apart from plastic model

Yeah, that sucks.
NGL at this point it feels like GW is either strugling to know what to give FW to do and have decided to offload what is clearly meant to be core addons of games to them, or they are just using FW as an excuse to squeeze way higher price on addons.