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Lord Damocles wrote: ...and a whole bunch of others apparently, going by Rise of Skywalker...
Yet another reason why the sequel trilogy should be de-canonized given how much tip-toeing the current Disney TV series have had to do in leading up to it.
tneva82 wrote: Oh and vader had active reason to avoid tatooine. Anakin. Vader did not want Anakin to wake up. Ergo he would avoid place that might bring Anakin back.
What nonsense is this? Vader was Anakin. It was a name change, not a personality implant.
Youdo know there's multiple personality syndrome even in real life? Sw books have made it clear in vader's mind anakin was different personality, vader didn't consider them 1 and same.
Do some reading on subject before sprouting non-sense next time eh?
Btw fun fact. Title return of jedi has multiple meanings that can be deduced. One is return of Anakin the Jedi.
Are you even aware what fuels Vader is hatred? Specifically hatred of himself. He hates himself more than anybody else in galaxy. And it's that hatred that sustains himself and gives him power. This hatred was strong enough that had Vader been Vader at the end of RoTJ he could have survived with his hatred and anger alone. Vader has survived his suit been wrecked before. Despite suit being what keeps him alive normally in need with sheer hatred Vader CAN sustain himself(and there's even more impressive feat by dark side user available. Sith who should be by all right long dead keeping himself going with sheer hatred). But as he had abandoned Emperor and the dark side the personality of Anakin resurfaced and with that he lost the dark side and could not sustain himself(and all the hatred and anger had vanished replaced with other feelings).
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tneva82 wrote: Oh and vader had active reason to avoid tatooine. Anakin. Vader did not want Anakin to wake up. Ergo he would avoid place that might bring Anakin back.
What nonsense is this? Vader was Anakin. It was a name change, not a personality implant.
Youdo know there's multiple personality syndrome even in real life?
I do know. So another poor (to be... generous) treatment of mental health issues gets even less tolerance from me. IF that was even what they were even going for, which isn't evident or even vaguely hinted at in the films- he doesn't display any kind of disassociation or distance from his actions. In fact, he rather proudly immediately own up to them, the first time.
Sw books have made it clear in vader's mind anakin was different personality, vader didn't consider them 1 and same.
Do some reading on subject before sprouting non-sense next time eh?
Sure, sure. I will totally sort through the rejected spam-fiction as a source for a specific author's interpretation of someone else's character. Definitely.
Are you even aware what fuels Vader is hatred? Specifically hatred of himself. He hates himself more than anybody else in galaxy. And it's that hatred that sustains himself and gives him power. This hatred was strong enough that had Vader been Vader at the end of RoTJ he could have survived with his hatred and anger alone. Vader has survived his suit been wrecked before. Despite suit being what keeps him alive normally in need with sheer hatred Vader CAN sustain himself(and there's even more impressive feat by dark side user available. Sith who should be by all right long dead keeping himself going with sheer hatred). But as he had abandoned Emperor and the dark side the personality of Anakin resurfaced and with that he lost the dark side and could not sustain himself(and all the hatred and anger had vanished replaced with other feelings).
None of this points to a separate personality. Anyone who did the sort of things Anakin did should definitely hate themselves.
And, honestly, with this interpretation, letting himself die seems like a cheap and easy way out of dealing with any repercussions of all the terrible things he's done.
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Yeah Vader died, then Luke and Leia had to deal with the consequences. Leia got outed in the Senate as Vaders daughter and was immediately expelled and then barred from being a Senator in the New Republic. Then Mon Mothma died and the Senate went back to the exact same thing it was in the old Republic.
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And in a Lame to Fame of frankly staggering proportions? I’m off to Scotland to see mah Paw for his birthdays week next week. And we’re off to a tiny town called Crieff.
Where Obi-Wan and Wedge both grew up and were educated.
Nice, eh?
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Well, given I’m off to see Daddykins, I’d just point out they kind of look alike, Daddykins isnae deid and he’s thinking of Mumsie, then tell him to bog off?
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If only Star Wars had an extensive history of background material to draw upon, they could make stuff like this...
That was such a baffling statement from Kennedy, but as time goes on I think it's become clearer and clear that had more to do with Disney wanting to screw people out of royalty payments, and they've been more and more willing to bring in and republish legends stuff as authors sign on to the new (terrible) terms.
But I would be remis if I didn't point out that they can do some pretty fire dogfight shorts too.
Star Wars Celebration is now underway. So far Andor’s teaser is out, as is a trailer for Mando Season 3. We’ve also had Skeleton Crew, starring Jude Law announced.
Struggling to find much more than Andor. Lots of YouTube cretins with poorly shot, out of focus phone footage, and even more “fan” attempts at trailers masquerading as the real thing. Even more cretinous reaction vids too.
Hopefully proper quality videos will be shared soon.
And of course more to come, as this is a multiple day event.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and seems we get Mando S3 in February 2023. I’d rather it be sooner, but at least it’s something to look forward to during the most depressing part of the year.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Obi Wan Kenobi is out in the wild.
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Well, it’s a very different pace so far, compared to Mando and Boba. Very much going for drama over spectacle.
Ben is a pretty broken man at the beginning, which makes sense.
Trailer somewhat wrong footed us as well, which is nice.
Young Leia is great. Fantastic actress especially given she’s so young.
Some pretty cool ship designs, new to my eyes.
Leia’s cousin is a melt and hopefully will come to a sticky end.
Obi-Two (yes I’m going with that, no I don’t care) just starting the now.
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OK now it gets some pace. Not that the first episode lacked it as such. We’re just getting down to it more.
Really really impressed with this. If had to describe the show, I’d say it’s quite sober. Not exactly the right term, but it’s very much driven by the drama and acting over pew pew.
Young Leia continues to impress. If only they’d found an actor of her chops for Episode 1 instead of Jake Lloyd (sorry Jake).
Of course that can’t be the end of The Inquisitor, as he’s due a fiery death in Rebels. Unless he has a More Evil Twin? Time will tell, I guess.
Very much enjoying this show. Nice to get another new location in Star Wars too.
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I think it really is the end of the grand inqusitor. or at least this one. I'm convinced Lucasfilm pulled a fast one on us and it's actually a completely differant character and we where just lead to belive it was the same one with a revised apperance
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Lil' Leia is so adorable! Despite only having met her briefly, she is 100% her mother's daughter, that's for sure. I had completely forgotten that she was meant to be in this - read one story about it ages ago - and the way they've used her in both episodes was very good, even if fully grown adults seem incapable of chasing after her, despite her tiny legs.
The bit where she's talking to Obi-Wan towards the second episode, and he stops because she reminds him so much of Padme, I have to admit, that got to me. There was suddenly a lot of dust in the room. Honest.
Owen and Bail are good, and it's nice to see their original actors return. Hell, even 3P0 got a cameo (surprised there's no Artoo). Aunt Beru from the prequels is back, but she has only appeared from afar. Maybe we'll visit the Lars homestead later on, and she can have more to do (and more lines than she did in Episode 2).
Kumail Nanjiani played an interesting character. I figured he was a charlatan, but at the same time whilst he was fleecing that family for credits, he was still providing a service, however much he was overcharging. I loved his confrontation with Reva. "What's the bounty on me now? A million! You'll never get it!".
And speaking of Reva... hmm... ok, putting aside the issue that she's obviously going to turn good by the end because Disney cannot allow characters like that to stay bad guys or even anti-heroes (Ref. Iden Verso, Boba Fett, Second Sister), I kind of like that she's desperate to find Kenobi so she can curry favour with Vader. I'm a bit weirded out that she (and presumably the other Inquisitors) know that Anakin is Vader. I'd've thought Vader might have kept that closer to his cyber-chest.
I also don't understand why they keep calling her 'Reva'. The other Inquisitors have always gone by their designation, so why the sudden need to break from that and call her Reva? I'm not saying she can't have a real name - Second Sister's real name was Trilla after all - but why would they call her that? Maybe it's because the other Inquisitors look upon her with so much disdain that they won't even use her proper Inquisitorial designation?
Speaking of disdain, oh... Fifth Brother. What did they do to you? Dude was a fething monster in Rebels. And now...
And this is no slight against Sung Kang - he's doing perfectly well in the show - but did he have to play the Fifth Brother? They couldn't've come up with a new Inquisitor for him?
And then there's the Grand Inquisitor. Is the reason he looks nothing like the Grand Inquisitor we know because he's not, 'cause he's fething dead already? Unless it's going to be revealed that he just walked it off, or that he's a clone or something, I just don't understand the choice to do what they've done to him. And how will Reva talk her way out of this one? I figure Mr. Force Choke is coming her way.
That just leaves Obi-wan, with Ewan giving a wonderfully subdued and understated performance. The Grand Inquisitor's point about Jedi hunting themselves is very true, but with Obi the fight's been beaten out of him. But then, the look on his face when he finds out Anakin is alive. Shock, hurt, fear, confusion, panic - they all shoot across his face in those few moments, and it's a powerful performance.
If it weren't for the ending that we all know is coming, I'd be on cloud 9 with this series already. What we've seen so far is great, but Wandavision was A+ grade entertainment until it shat in its own mouth during the finale, so you can't just be good except for the end. I hope that what I suspect, and what we later heard, was wrong... but I doubt it. Again, it was obvious from the first trailer, which is a shame.
People keep complaining that characters don’t look exactly like their Rebels incarnations, but that ain’t gonna happen because Rebels was rather exaggerated/stylized with their designs. I mean they took this guy…
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And stretched his face out into this…
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Also I kept yelling Parkour! during the second episode.
The way she talked to the droids like people (even being called out about it at one point) reminded me of Rey.
Watched it, I'm not overly enthused about it so far, I still have a lot of animosity towards the prequels and I'm definitely not in the group of people who grew up learning to love them so I think they have a bit of an uphill battle to win me over. There's some fun worldbuilding here and there though.
The Good:
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I think we've settled for good that the Grand Inquisitor here is not the same one from Rebels, and we can at least get away from whatever part of the design complaints come from that misconception. I'm actually kind of interested to see where intrigue among the inquisitors is going to go given that we know Vader factors in later.
The Bad:
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Mostly nit-picks, pacing felt a little off, the parkour looked bad, etc. No real deal breakers, except I'm not really hooked by it yet but I don't know how much of that is me being wary after Boba.
The Worldbuilding:
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Seeing Morrison as a clone vet begging on the street hit me sideways and did more to sell this city as a lived in space than the street vendors and drug pushing kids did. Great use of a cameo.
the jedi who says "us all" I assume that he was part of the kids we saw in episode 1. and that the kids we see in the start of the first episode are who obi-wan and Leia are going to. I also think it's going to end with vader showing up, butchering the young jedi as he seeks out Obi-wan...
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the jedi who says "us all" I assume that he was part of the kids we saw in episode 1. and that the kids we see in the start of the first episode are who obi-wan and Leia are going to. I also think it's going to end with vader showing up, butchering the young jedi as he seeks out Obi-wan...
I mean, if that does happen...
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Obi-wan is going to have to eke out some kind of victory in order to allow Vader's "when I left you, I was but the learner" boast make any kind of sense.
the jedi who says "us all" I assume that he was part of the kids we saw in episode 1. and that the kids we see in the start of the first episode are who obi-wan and Leia are going to. I also think it's going to end with vader showing up, butchering the young jedi as he seeks out Obi-wan...
Fair observation.
My only grump?
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The Grand Inquisitor extolling how the Jedi virtues (selflessness, standing up for the weak) feels a bit off, given the pains Palpatine took to paint them as seditious knobheads when announcing the reformation into the Galactic Empire.
I guess he can get away with some grandstanding because Tattooine is such a backwater. Still irritated me on a deeply nerdy level.
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The complaints I read here are all the reasons why it's a terrible idea to keep going back and filling in these blanks. Every word in every sentence has to sync up with everything we know is going to come later. These guys live, those guys die,
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Vader and the inquisitors cannot confront Obi on Tatooine. Also, the information the inquisitor found about Leia needs to get purged at some point? Because if she, the worst of the inquisitors found it. AND it resulted in all of this including the death of a grand inquisitor. Then how the hell does nobody else find it for another 10 years? The plot itself is stepping on it's own canon toes.
In fact the idea that the Inquisitor confronts the uncle was completely tension-less drivel for me.
You are not going to get killed, or injured, and you are not going to give Obi-wan up. Because you can't. So it's just a long empty pause with nothing holding it up waiting for the other inquisitor to break the (not tension) silence to move the scene along.
I will say it again. Go 500 years into the future or thousand years in the past. Get the feth away from anything to do with this time period.
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That's theoretically what High Republic is for, some centuries before <current era> (though I suspect they'll sneak in a young Yoda cameo).
They just haven't gotten around to putting it on screen yet (though it is popping up in tie-in materials). I don't think they're entirely convinced that people will actually line up for Star Wars without familiar characters driving the ticket sales/subscriptions.
There's also the unspoken availability problem. There's only going to be so many opportunities to cast Obi Wan at a certain age, or Rey or Finn or whatever if they opt to do sequel era stuff down the line. Given their statements on Solo it seems they're convinced recasting is a death sentence (because that's an easy excuse for Solo's performance that doesn't require them to examine their aggressive release schedule or tendency to release directors in the middle of a rushed production) and the very obvious fact that their deepfake tech just isn't there yet, they're clearly eager to do the kinds of stories they are uniquely capable of doing right now, right now.
And I'm not 100% sure if he's appeared in the flesh, but young Yoda is definitely known in the High Republic era, plenty of young impressionable Jedi have heard the 'Luminous Beings are we' speech.
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But I don't care if I ever see any of those characters ever again on screen. I would much rather see that 1000 years in the future where Rey is a mythological figure who founded whatever comes next. We can find out about the impact of her life that way. I don't need to see it actually happen.
I feel like we have already seen her do the most interesting thing in her life. And we don't need to see a bad attempt to escalate to something bigger and more bombastic than 100,000 star destroyers that are also death stars.
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