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I mean, the new stuff is kind of the curse of the Primaris. As a Space Marine player you're more or less guaranteed 4-5 new kits per year, minimum (granted maybe one or two of those will be for a specific chapter etc.). There's more or less no way to keep the Space Marine codex relevant.

On the plus side, you're getting new stuff...so that's cool I guess. More so than ever before you're just guaranteed new models every couple of months. That's not a bad time to be a Space Marine player. Unlike previous editions though you're not going to be getting re-vamped model kits of old units, so the growing pain is how to keep all the rules together.

 
   
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GaroRobe wrote:
Kinda annoying that they'd release codexes, just to release new stuff for space marines several months later. Especially since it's more of an upgrade than an actual new model.


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Marshal Loss wrote:Keen for upgraded libbies etc, especially if that is translated into better Sorcerers & Dark Apostles.



I really wouldn't count on it, but it would be nice. I have very little faith that PA book 2 will be worthwhile for CSM.

Excited to see the new Blood Angels stuff, though, come PA3.
   
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Rumors of another CSM Sorcerer kind of line up with pretty old rumors when Thousand Sons came out that we'd get a stand alone sorcerer HQ kit that wasn't in terminator armor and had a Thousand Sons helmet as an extra bit option.

Hopefully that turns out to be the case.
   
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We do know a CSM Sorcerer is supposed to be released. The old rumor engine matches up perfectly to the old sorcerer backpack. I think its probably one of our oldest RE left to be revealed.

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Voss wrote:

Well today's taunting is a Corsair-focused story.


And the mere hint of 'not-quite humans' altered by a Haemonculus.


Minor fluff spoiler for book one alert
Spoiler:
There is a small piece about Haemonculus putting some DE into almost human body's as a punishment. These DE are then used as spies and agent provocateurs by Vect
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
Black Templars then. Hmm. I hope they do a new Emperor's champion that does the old one justice.

To be fair, it's not really needed because that new Lt model has nearly the same pose and identical wargear. Change the helmet and you're 95% of the way toward primaris EC. In fact, the rosary, relics, and other stuff make the model better EC than it is Lt...

Selfcontrol wrote:
About Psychic Awakening Vol. 2 :

_ Librarians, Chaplains and Techmarines "level 2" are making a comeback. Librarians and Chaplains know one more spell / litany and can cast one more spell / litany. Techmarines lvl 2 can repair a flat 3 damages instead of D3.

_ Access to those lvl 2 characters will work in the same manner as getting a Chapter Master or Ork Warphead. The stratagems to "upgrade" the characters will cost 1 CP.

So, they took that garbage Blood Raven stratagem and actually changed it to what it should have been in the first place? Wow, I did not thought GW can make BR ""supplement"" look more terrible and phoned in than it already was, but they prove me more and more wrong with every release...
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I mean, the new stuff is kind of the curse of the Primaris. As a Space Marine player you're more or less guaranteed 4-5 new kits per year, minimum (granted maybe one or two of those will be for a specific chapter etc.). There's more or less no way to keep the Space Marine codex relevant.

On the plus side, you're getting new stuff...so that's cool I guess. More so than ever before you're just guaranteed new models every couple of months. That's not a bad time to be a Space Marine player. Unlike previous editions though you're not going to be getting re-vamped model kits of old units, so the growing pain is how to keep all the rules together.


except there's been two years between the first primaris wave and the second, so 4-5 minis a year seems a bit much. what marines came out in 2018? I don't really count Limited edition event models because, frankly speaking, I can't buy them.

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That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

 
   
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 Elbows wrote:
That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

So Genestealer Cult are Space Marines?

Huh. Who knew!
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I mean, the new stuff is kind of the curse of the Primaris. As a Space Marine player you're more or less guaranteed 4-5 new kits per year, minimum (granted maybe one or two of those will be for a specific chapter etc.).

I like how xeno players keep repeating this over and over despite being blatantly wrong. Between middle of 2017 (first primaris wave) and late 2019 (second one) there was a big fat ZERO space marine releases*. Unless you count Death Guard or Black Legion as space marines, which would first be as accurate as counting orks as eldar release, second, both of the above heavily expanded on not-astartes side of each army, ironically diluting CSM content of each massively.

*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.

 Elbows wrote:
That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

You're aware this 'lag' ended with huge wave of (not-SM) GSC over a year ago, and since then we had releases of: Gellerpox (0% SM), Starstriders (0% SM), Daemonkin (0% SM, which is funny considering they started as SM), not one but two Rogue Trader releases (with again 0% SM, even though adding one here would be trivial), various renegades and heretics (0% SM), Chaos Knights (0% SM), two Chaos reboots, Eldar/DE refresh, and more. All without a single SM model. Gee, what bounty!

And only now we're back at SM release, after 3 year break, said release being horribly drawn out, overpriced, with some really lame models, and to boot most of it can't be even classified as general SM release as they are subfaction-only (to the point you can't even field them as counts-as because GW writers couldn't be arsed to give primaris access to lightning claws, graw guns, and other stuff marines had for decades firmly making new models useless even for converters). Oh no, how will SM players recover after rain of boons of this magnitude?
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

So Genestealer Cult are Space Marines?

Huh. Who knew!




Actual spoiler joke, don't open if you haven't read newer novels

Spoiler:
no we've not received any Scythes of the Emperor models yet so so far so good

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 Irbis wrote:

You're aware this 'lag' ended with huge wave of (not-SM) GSC over a year ago, and since then we had releases of: Gellerpox (0% SM), Starstriders (0% SM), Daemonkin (0% SM, which is funny considering they started as SM), not one but two Rogue Trader releases (with again 0% SM, even though adding one here would be trivial), various renegades and heretics (0% SM), Chaos Knights (0% SM), two Chaos reboots, Eldar/DE refresh, and more. All without a single SM model. Gee, what bounty!
What about all those Primaris Lieutenants models? Primaris Lieutenants aren't Space Marines?

Never mind. I answered my own question
   
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*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.


Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.

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 Irbis wrote:

And only now we're back at SM release, after 3 year break, said release being horribly drawn out, overpriced, with some really lame models, and to boot most of it can't be even classified as general SM release as they are subfaction-only (to the point you can't even field them as counts-as because GW writers couldn't be arsed to give primaris access to lightning claws, graw guns, and other stuff marines had for decades firmly making new models useless even for converters). Oh no, how will SM players recover after rain of boons of this magnitude?

Based on a recent Voxcast, those are options. They just aren't matched play options. To go off of something James Gallagher said: just pay the points for the option like normal (well that and maybe run it by your friends first).

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

So Genestealer Cult are Space Marines?

Huh. Who knew!




Actual spoiler joke, don't open if you haven't read newer novels

Spoiler:
no we've not received any Scythes of the Emperor models yet so so far so good


I thought you were joking, but I looked it up. I hate Guy Haley so so much.

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the scythes thing was simply GSC infiltration of their human support staff, which is yes a weak link in their chain.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.


Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.


the primaris leuitenants are almost all special event minis, so no they don't count.

and yes the quyality of a units rules is worth speaking of considering that I've seen at least one poster here dismiss a substantial xenos release "because none of them where any good!"

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BrianDavion wrote:
the scythes thing was simply GSC infiltration of their human support staff, which is yes a weak link in their chain.




Except there is still screening of Serfs, and they also say that the Chapter's Marines were infected by the Genestealer's Kiss.

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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the scythes thing was simply GSC infiltration of their human support staff, which is yes a weak link in their chain.




Except there is still screening of Serfs, and they also say that the Chapter's Marines were infected by the Genestealer's Kiss.


While unlikely, it is still possible.

How an AVATAR can merge with a patriarch is beyond me....
   
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Hellebore wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
the scythes thing was simply GSC infiltration of their human support staff, which is yes a weak link in their chain.




Except there is still screening of Serfs, and they also say that the Chapter's Marines were infected by the Genestealer's Kiss.


While unlikely, it is still possible.

How an AVATAR can merge with a patriarch is beyond me....

Infect a Pheonix Lord who is sacrficed and the psychic taint infests the Avatar's form?

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 Irbis wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
I mean, the new stuff is kind of the curse of the Primaris. As a Space Marine player you're more or less guaranteed 4-5 new kits per year, minimum (granted maybe one or two of those will be for a specific chapter etc.).

I like how xeno players keep repeating this over and over despite being blatantly wrong. Between middle of 2017 (first primaris wave) and late 2019 (second one) there was a big fat ZERO space marine releases*. Unless you count Death Guard or Black Legion as space marines, which would first be as accurate as counting orks as eldar release, second, both of the above heavily expanded on not-astartes side of each army, ironically diluting CSM content of each massively.

*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.

 Elbows wrote:
That was simply lag in the start of the edition, with all of the effort and time going to codices and "new" armies, etc. Now that things have settled...you will absolutely be getting 4-5 kits a year minimum. Maybe the occasional gap due to edition changes or other "big" GW events.

You're aware this 'lag' ended with huge wave of (not-SM) GSC over a year ago, and since then we had releases of: Gellerpox (0% SM), Starstriders (0% SM), Daemonkin (0% SM, which is funny considering they started as SM), not one but two Rogue Trader releases (with again 0% SM, even though adding one here would be trivial), various renegades and heretics (0% SM), Chaos Knights (0% SM), two Chaos reboots, Eldar/DE refresh, and more. All without a single SM model. Gee, what bounty!

And only now we're back at SM release, after 3 year break, said release being horribly drawn out, overpriced, with some really lame models, and to boot most of it can't be even classified as general SM release as they are subfaction-only (to the point you can't even field them as counts-as because GW writers couldn't be arsed to give primaris access to lightning claws, graw guns, and other stuff marines had for decades firmly making new models useless even for converters). Oh no, how will SM players recover after rain of boons of this magnitude?


Yes you totally deserve that victim mentality with ~30 new kits in 2 years.... you poor poor marine player... everyone saying you get things and you have ONLY got ~30 new kits in 2 years. Its not like that is more than double new kits for other factions combined. How dare any one get slightly annoyed that marines get so many releases, ~30 is nothing! /s

Come on dude, I get you like marines and thats cool, but drop it with the victim mentality here. With ~30 SM kits released over 2 years it makes sense people would like to see more love for other factions... considering there is ~22 other factions out there. Also comparing a brand new armies release to additional stuff for SM is extremely disingenuous, which... SM have had more new ADDITIONAL kits than GSC had for their entire army. Same with the gellerpox starstrider stuff... that is its own game, the fact they have any rules for 40k is more a bonus, then a model release. Its is pretty fair and logical that the other 20ish factions would like even 1/5 of the love new kit wise as SM have been getting. Can't even believe with ~30 kits you wrote that with the tone that SM haven't got much lol.
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.


Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.


Shadowspear contains phobos marines. Their latest release wave is phobos marines.

Unless you want to count releasing infiltrators etc twice, then no you can't count shadowspear.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.


Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.


Shadowspear contains phobos marines. Their latest release wave is phobos marines.

Unless you want to count releasing infiltrators etc twice, then no you can't count shadowspear.


I'm detecting a notable double standard here. any marine release is too much meanwhile with anyone else their release only counts if it's "worthy" and if the unit sucks "it doesn't count"

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The only double standard is with you marine apologists.

Firstly - Marines have had, what was it, over 30 new releases since 8th dropped. The ‘substantial’ release for my faction was 6. The virtually new line of GSC got 12. The next largest release was DG with 20, 10 less if maths isn’t your strong point; 2/3 what marines had. SM have had more releases than the rest of the Imperium releases combined, including a full new army in Custodes. There are factions that have had NOTHING.

Secondly - there was at least one release in 2018 for marines because wake the dead had a new character model. There was also a massive forge world grav tank unless I’ve imagined all the hype around it. There was also Tiberius, Calgar and his Vixtrix Guard. There was also the million Primaris Lt (that absolutely weren’t special event models in most cases). Oh and Space Marine heroes that can easily be found online.

Thirdly - yes shadow spear counts as a release, because it was a release. It had new models within, did it not? EVEN MORE new models have been released since, with the alternative build options for units and the myriad of large vehicles added. Or is Phoenix Rising not a release? How about Speed Freeks? That not a release either? The Necron Cryptek box, should we discount that too?

You cannot argue in anything but the worst of faith that Marines have had more than the lions share of releases since 8th dropped and that these releases continue. The victim mentality here and the ‘but I had to wait 4 months this one time for something new!’ is unbelievable.

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Finally some Marine stuff, feels like it's been nothing but Eldar for months.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Finally some Marine stuff, feels like it's been nothing but Eldar for months.


   
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BrianDavion wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.


Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.


Shadowspear contains phobos marines. Their latest release wave is phobos marines.

Unless you want to count releasing infiltrators etc twice, then no you can't count shadowspear.


I'm detecting a notable double standard here. any marine release is too much meanwhile with anyone else their release only counts if it's "worthy" and if the unit sucks "it doesn't count"



Bro, come on. I tell you what, lets size up my own army releases of none marine stuff. We'll start with Guard. A limited edition event driven female commissar model, and Sly Marbo. I know, the pace of their releases is blowing me away too.

Lemme see here, Dark Eldar, oh yeah, one character and incubi which lord knows when they'll drop not in a sucktastic bloat box.

Tau, nada.

I think the only faction that got anything really sizeable was Ad mech, and that was the transport/tank kit and that one tech priest fella that has yet to be released on his own outside kill team so I don't have him.

The only armies that got anything new with any number has been my marine armies both loyal and chaos. Really saying marines are so lacking, the numbers were crunched and it's way off the scale.

Add to that now I hear guard will be in a book, but won't even be a focus. That's very cool to hear, another book that'll probably have a usable formation or two but I won't buy just for 2 formations and a bunch of stuff I can't use and no model released still for them. Guess I better go back to lovingly holding Sly Marbo.
   
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Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.
   
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 Fayric wrote:
Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.


Not everyone has that ammount of cash, especially in regards to the new and improved prices (COUGH ELIMINATORS COUGH)
Secondly, in my situation i allready got marines. Just the wrong kind, with spikes, you know the ones?

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 Fayric wrote:
Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side.

Well, I recently (Oxayotl scale of recent) started some Imperial Guards along with my Sisters of Battle, so now I'll be swimming in new releases! When was the latest release for the guard? New Marbo maybe? Or Severina Rayne?

Anyway I'm only using Victoria Miniatures models (except for Severina) so it doesn't really matter, she release new regiments and stuff regularly. But if I keep going like I'm doing, I'll just get an army of basic infantry guardmen (and guardwomen) with no special weapons or vehicles, which doesn't seem like it could work on 1500/2000 points games.

 
   
 
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