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I don’t disagree with the desire/need to see different eras. But, for the majority of its existence, to most folk who’ve heard of Star Wars, it’s been about Vader and Luke
The back filling of course really started with the sublime Clone Wars. That did a bang up job of telling an important part of the story the movies never really bothered with. It also helped us chart the corruption and downfall of the Jedi Order
Rebels and Rogue One go hand in hand for me. Neither are tales you necessarily need to know. But both are well told and thoroughly entertaining.
Indeed the only entry so far I question the purpose of is Solo. Cards on the table? I really enjoyed Solo. It has some fantastic moments, and I like to see various bits followed up on. But overall? The film just doesn’t really serve any particular narrative purpose.
Kenobi? Well, it’s very early days but I’m very happy with what we’ve seen. H.B.M.C. Pretty much covered my thoughts. And it feels like it’s adding depth to Kenobi as a character, tying in nicely to my mind with Yoda’s Spirit chinwag with Ezra in Rebels.
Now, will it stick the landing? Who can tell. But so far it feels like it has a purpose and a direction, and I don’t think anyone should underestimate that. I mean, compare to Book of Boba Fett. Again, I largely enjoyed that, but it didn’t really feel like the plot had agency as such.
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speaking of the Book, I cannot escape the feeling that part of the choice for Boba being so tied to Tatooine was a desire to re-use and cross-use as much of their Tatooine sets for several shows to justify the construction costs.
on Obi-wan
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on the whole, i enjoyed it. the first few scenes took a while to really "catch" me, and some of the CGI on obi-wans "not-camel" really stood out as fake to me (I'm guessing it was party forced by the need to hide the actual camel he was riding, but meh, needs must)
its nice to see alderann and this new place (hong kong/shanghai IN SPACE!!!) get some airtime, they are clearly trying to strike a balance between the "known" locations for that nostalgia feels and new locations they can explore new ideas in. i feel that boda fetts "mods" gang would have been a better fit in this show, for that matter.
I dont know how this show and Rebels are going to interact, given the increasing divergence between the two. Either the Grand Inquisitor is has been replaced by another one who happens to be simmilar, they have some form of "fake out" with him surviving (which really weakens Mrs Anger-Management if she cant even off her boss, which is like Sith 101) or they are going to actively de-canonise parts of Rebels in favour of the live action shows, which is a odd choice given how much they are actively RE-canonising form rebels via the live action (the inquisitors, their sister/brother terminology, Ahsoka, thrawn, etc).
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To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
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I do want to say that I LIKE McGreggor Obi Wan. He is the best part of the prequels by a very large margin and he is nailing it here. Any issues I have are not with him. He's great. So far the bits and things going on in the show are great. If it didn't have everything that came before it weighing down moments in the show like the middle of the street scene I described in spoilers would be really excellent. But they DO have all that history in there. And it IS weighing it down.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
The first two episodes were alright. Nothing too exciting but a solid setup for things to come with the usual mix of good, bad and horrible Disney has provided over the years.
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Obi Wan worked for me. Contrary to Luke in TLJ, it actually makes sense for him to be a disheartened recluse within the context of the story. He's out of shape and needs a good reason to get going, but they don't overplay it.
That reason is Leia, which is fine. She seems well cast and there were some genuine moments of adorableness, especially the ones with Bale Organa. They did however include some slapstick chase scenes that completely took me out of the experience. Leia should not outrun adults on a regular basis, especially not Obi Wan when their life is in danger.
Some will say that the show should revolve around Obi Wan protecting and guiding young Luke from the shadows instead (especially with the Inquisitors hunting Jedi on Tatooine), but I guess they believed they could do more with a witty and loudmouthed child Leia, which is completely fine and a nice bit of characterisation for her.
Reva is an utter disaster in every way, I hope we won't have to suffer her for long.
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It makes 100% sense that it's Leia and it would make no sense that it's Luke. Leia clearly knows Obi Wan by episode 4. After all, he is her only hope. Luke doesn't know who the feth he is. This establishes why leia would call on him at all.
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It's true that Leia at least knows about Obi Wan in a new hope (presumably from her foster father), but not that they ever met in person. I do agree it does make sense to take the show down that road, however.
It's true that Leia at least knows about Obi Wan in a new hope (presumably from her foster father), but not that they ever met in person. I do agree it does make sense to take the show down that road, however.
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It does make Leia particularly callous when this guy who saves her life ends up being turned into a pile of robes while saving her again and she doesn't even spare a second glance let alone a tear. The pitfalls of doing this back filling and starwars street.
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You know….this is almost a Noir Detective Show. We’ve Obi-wan as the jaded, world weary broken down ex-cop, who never forgave himself for taking down his corrupt former partner.
Then, one day, against his better judgement, he’s given a case which forces him out of his funk. Climb outta ya bottle Kenobi, the dame needs ya.
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It's true that Leia at least knows about Obi Wan in a new hope (presumably from her foster father), but not that they ever met in person. I do agree it does make sense to take the show down that road, however.
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It does make Leia particularly callous when this guy who saves her life ends up being turned into a pile of robes while saving her again and she doesn't even spare a second glance let alone a tear. The pitfalls of doing this back filling and starwars street.
Leia just saw her planet and everyone she knew blown to bits in front of her eyes the day before.. It's likely she was having difficulty processing those emotions. Also royalty tends to be trained to "put on a stiff upper lip" I bet once she was alone she just SHATTERED
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I dont know how this show and Rebels are going to interact, given the increasing divergence between the two. Either the Grand Inquisitor is has been replaced by another one who happens to be simmilar, they have some form of "fake out" with him surviving (which really weakens Mrs Anger-Management if she cant even off her boss, which is like Sith 101) or they are going to actively de-canonise parts of Rebels in favour of the live action shows, which is a odd choice given how much they are actively RE-canonising form rebels via the live action (the inquisitors, their sister/brother terminology, Ahsoka, thrawn, etc).
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The Obi Wan Grand Inquisitor is a male Pau'an with the same face markings and rank as the one in Rebels, separated by only five or six years. I can't conceive of a reason for making almost the exact same character twice, but having one of them be the other's long lost twin brother or whatever. There's no point to it, nor any established foundation to work off of and receive some kind of payoff. That would just be a mind-boggling choice.
I think he'll just recover from a grave but ultimately non-lethal wound. There's no need to screw around with continuity or anything and the only thing we have to deal with is some divergence in his make-up and costume from the animated version, which is unfortunate but hardly the end of the world.
Is it actually a problem if Third Sister isn't very successful in her endeavors? I mean, we know she's not going to catch Obi Wan and that's her one ticket for advancement, and also out of the mess she made when she stabbed the Grand Inquisitor. She either wins Vader's favor by handing him Obi Wan or she's toast. If she can't accomplish that, there's precious little benefit to succeeding in anything else. I guess I could see Lucasfilm wanting to keep her around. There'd be some sense to seeing Vader, who has no stake in the matter, let the newly recovered Grand Inquisitor deal with her and keep the matter internal. He'd leave her alive and both of them have a plentiful foundation for future conflict. If HBMC isn't just paranoid and she becomes a Disney princess like Boba, then we can talk about how having her look incompetent is a problem. If she's still around and one of the bad guys, that just won't be a problem.
I'm a bit weirded out that she (and presumably the other Inquisitors) know that Anakin is Vader. I'd've thought Vader might have kept that closer to his cyber-chest.
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That struck me as off when I saw it, but thinking about it why would it be a big deal? In Rebels the Grand Inquisitor says to Kanan that the Jedi archives are very complete, and Revenge of the Sith shows a recording of Palpi calling Anakin Lord Vader. Presumably the archives are available to only a handful of people, but due to their work Inquisitors count among those. It shouldn't be shocking for a bunch of turned Jedi who hold high ranks in the Empire that their boss is a turned Jedi who holds a high rank in the Empire. There's precious little point in keeping that a secret, I should think, even if it would be trivial for the Emperor or Vader to do so if they wished.
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Why is the rum always gone?
I was under the impression that the "official" line on darth vader was that he was the "Only good jedi", who turned on the rest of his corrupt order and lead the purge to free the galaxy of the jedi-backed Republic, and was a close friend of the Emperor (which was how the emperor was able to "save" him), and became darth vader.
Its not impossible for someone with knowledge of the late republics politics to work out hes Anakin Skywalker, famous jedi and noted ally of the now Emperor. Given that vader actively distances himself form his past ("that name no longer has meaning to me"), it might be a case that its somewhat known but everyone avoids talking about it keep breathing.
plus, several of the inquisitors are former Padawans (indeed, im pretty sure at least one of the younglings we see fleeing at the start are supposed to be an inquisitor as children), who would have physically met skywalker and might be able to instantly make the connection once they feel his mind (same as Ashoka does). So, them knowing makes more sense than (for example) director Krennic knowing would.
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In the new canon novel Bloodlines, which I’ll spoiler just in case, and to hold myself to my own standards
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Leia’s political career is massively derailed when her identity as Vader’s Daughter is revealed. So his identity as Anakin must’ve been fairly common knowledge, at least in certain circles, for anyone to give a damn.
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I mean Vader was a monster and by the time of ANH was a very well known monster. When he shows up in Rebels he orchestrates the death of a government minister, destroys a squadron of rebel ships including their command vessel, and burns a refugee camp.
According to the comics people do not know who Vader is. One of Padme’s handmaids is currently on this big quest of intrigue and revenge to kill Vader for the murder of Padme and Anakin. They’ve done other stories with similar references to people not knowing who he is.
Even the Inquisitors being former Jedi isn’t a widely known thing. Was a scene where some were hunting a Padawan down with a clone trooper escort, and the Padawan was able to create a diversion by naming all of the Inquisitors’ Jedi names and ranks and invoking Order 66 to get the troopers to turn on them.
I have one very minor complain so far with Kenobi. Leia running away awkwardly slowly from everybody during the entire episode 2. Seriously couldn't they get a kid that runs a little bit faster. I know she's a ten years old, but she's a slow ten years old and we needed a very fleet of foot ten years old for several scenes (and to sell Leia as a young adventurous tomboy in the making).
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as for the apparent death of the Grand Inquisitor, I suspect he will stay dead for the entire show only to be brought back in the post-credit/near ending scene. 3rd Sister will be the main antagonist who will gain the rank of Grand Inquisitor for managing to capturing Obi-Wan Kenobi and bringing him before Vader. Kenobi and Vader will then exchange some words. Kenobi will escape thanks to little Leia's help with her cute robot friend (seriously that robot is adorable) and 3rd Sister will get the blame and get killed by Vader for it. Then, we see that the Grand Inquisitor has survived his injury and with the failure of his apprentice, he gets another chance. Pretty standard stuff for Star Wars.
I am not too surprised that 3rd Sister knows who Vader actually is. She was a padawan during the Clone Wars and Skywalker was very famous. I was surprised she was so confident on taking on Obi Wan alone though. While we know he has been laying low and basically shut himself from the Force, she can't be sure of that and taking on a powerful Jedi master just like that is probably a bit foolish.
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Third Sister just spent the last ten years getting told how awesome the dark side of the force is, probably on a daily basis, and how awesome you can be if you embrace it and learn to wield it. I don't imagine that to be an environment that fosters humility. She may actually believe that she's a juiced up force wielder hunting down a burned out wreck. Yeah, it's foolish, but that's the dark side for you, isn't it? Lots of eager users that overestimate their power that rarely become more than useful tools to the few clever ones that are capable of planning for the long term.
As an alternative Third Sister seems pretty unambiguously set up for desperation. Even if she realizes the danger of overestimating herself and underestimating Obi Wan, she may not feel like she has a choice. It's her one shot at escaping the Grand Inquisitor's ridicule and bullying.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Episode 2 down, another very pretty bunch of sets (also finally twigged that lil Leia is the girl from that kids super movie a few years back)
With Geifer regarding 3rd sister, its even worse as its made clear she's done her homework but still thinks a bit of Dark Side rage can bring down a man whose faced down and beat some of the most dangerous beings of the Clone Wars, Maul, Grevious, Skywalker, not sure if its setting up a redemption arc or just making her arrogance her undoing
As for the Grand Inquisitor, given Palp is always three steps ahead of everyone maybe there's a secret clone program for Force sensitives, I'm sure there was a clone of a Jedi and maybe even Luke in one of the old EU books
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Is it actually a problem if Third Sister isn't very successful in her endeavors? I mean, we know she's not going to catch Obi Wan and that's her one ticket for advancement, and also out of the mess she made when she stabbed the Grand Inquisitor. She either wins Vader's favor by handing him Obi Wan or she's toast. If she can't accomplish that, there's precious little benefit to succeeding in anything else. I guess I could see Lucasfilm wanting to keep her around. There'd be some sense to seeing Vader, who has no stake in the matter, let the newly recovered Grand Inquisitor deal with her and keep the matter internal. He'd leave her alive and both of them have a plentiful foundation for future conflict. If HBMC isn't just paranoid and she becomes a Disney princess like Boba, then we can talk about how having her look incompetent is a problem. If she's still around and one of the bad guys, that just won't be a problem.
well, it can become an issue if Third Sister is supposed to be the "primary" antagonist who drives the story, as she has been so far in the last two episodes. If the climatic battle at the end of the series is Third Sister vs Obi-wan, but we've watched her fail for 10 episodes straight, its really not going to feel tense.
So far, she seems be a good example of the problems of unrestricted cartoon evilness, with poor impulse control, a bully's belief that she can just scare whatever information she needs out of people without consequence, and a serious disrespect for authority that runs counter to the normal sith "grovel, but plan to kill and replace them" style of following. Im genuinely surprised she hasn't managed to get herself "killed" on a mission by one of the other Inquisitors yet, given none seem to like her and shes obviously and openly gunning for their jobs. either she is a lot more competent at lightsabre fighting than scheming, or shes got a backer outside the inquisitors thats staying their hands..
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
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Is it actually a problem if Third Sister isn't very successful in her endeavors? I mean, we know she's not going to catch Obi Wan and that's her one ticket for advancement, and also out of the mess she made when she stabbed the Grand Inquisitor. She either wins Vader's favor by handing him Obi Wan or she's toast. If she can't accomplish that, there's precious little benefit to succeeding in anything else. I guess I could see Lucasfilm wanting to keep her around. There'd be some sense to seeing Vader, who has no stake in the matter, let the newly recovered Grand Inquisitor deal with her and keep the matter internal. He'd leave her alive and both of them have a plentiful foundation for future conflict. If HBMC isn't just paranoid and she becomes a Disney princess like Boba, then we can talk about how having her look incompetent is a problem. If she's still around and one of the bad guys, that just won't be a problem.
well, it can become an issue if Third Sister is supposed to be the "primary" antagonist who drives the story, as she has been so far in the last two episodes. If the climatic battle at the end of the series is Third Sister vs Obi-wan, but we've watched her fail for 10 episodes straight, its really not going to feel tense.
So far, she seems be a good example of the problems of unrestricted cartoon evilness, with poor impulse control, a bully's belief that she can just scare whatever information she needs out of people without consequence, and a serious disrespect for authority that runs counter to the normal sith "grovel, but plan to kill and replace them" style of following. Im genuinely surprised she hasn't managed to get herself "killed" on a mission by one of the other Inquisitors yet, given none seem to like her and shes obviously and openly gunning for their jobs. either she is a lot more competent at lightsabre fighting than scheming, or shes got a backer outside the inquisitors thats staying their hands..
We know for a fact VADER and Obi-wan are going to throw down. So no she's not going to be the "climatic end battle"
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I'm amazed that Disney purchased the rights to Star Wars and decided to simply produce the most uninspired, profoundly mediocre content with it. It's stupendous. You have the rights to Star Wars...and the best thing to come out of it since is Fallen Order and the animated series...outside of the DT, nothing has been flat out bad, but it's all incredibly bland.
Concerning Obi-Wan.
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Focusing on either of the Skywalker twins is a consistency error.
Obi-Wan not knowing Leia's age is dumb. He was at their birth.
The Leia-Mercenary chase scene resembled me play-chasing my 5 year old nephew...
Reva could be good with a better actress, but the one in question falls short at being menacing.
Reva's parkour scene was basically pointless.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
Look who turned up at celebration Choppers back and somewhere a shopping trolley is missing a wheel. It's new version from the one in Rogue One which was only seen in the background and is less detailed.
Apparently they showed a short clip of Ahsoka on the Ghost with a certain green skinned Twi'lek piloting but only seen from behind.
On Kenobi I enjoyed the 2 episodes for the most part the Inquisitors seem to be the weak link here they just don't feel like they did in Rebels the good cop bad cop between Reva and the fifth brother just felt off but I suppose internal bickering is a Dark Side trait after all. - at least the Grand Inquisitors eyes had the red/yellow tint. At this point there are to many canon hoops to jump through Lucas really wrote himself into a corner in some aspects so bending (or breaking) canon is to be expected so I just go with it now if it helps the story.
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Vader and the inquisitors cannot confront Obi on Tatooine. Also, the information the inquisitor found about Leia needs to get purged at some point? Because if she, the worst of the inquisitors found it. AND it resulted in all of this including the death of a grand inquisitor. Then how the hell does nobody else find it for another 10 years? The plot itself is stepping on it's own canon toes.
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There is no indication that the Inquisitors know who Leia really is. Reva just used her because she's Bail Organa's daughter, and Bail and Obi-Wan were friends.
Vader and the inquisitors cannot confront Obi on Tatooine. Also, the information the inquisitor found about Leia needs to get purged at some point? Because if she, the worst of the inquisitors found it. AND it resulted in all of this including the death of a grand inquisitor. Then how the hell does nobody else find it for another 10 years? The plot itself is stepping on it's own canon toes.
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There is no indication that the Inquisitors know who Leia really is. Reva just used her because she's Bail Organa's daughter, and Bail and Obi-Wan were friends.
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That is not what she said in the episode. By public record they know Leia is not Bail's actual daughter. She found a connection between Leia specifically and Obi. Obi has a metric feth ton of friends on public record from the clone wars. It wasn't Leia that was kidnapped by happenstance. They don't say specifically what she found or what that connection is. But it's obvious she found something more than "Obi Wan has a friend."
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