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 BlackoCatto wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Some of their weapon designs are just awful.

Look fine to me, a Lewis Gun, Enfield, a shotgun, a Piat, and as well backpack style flame. Only thing I say they should do is kick the other two flames, give us a cool plasma gun or something else.

Yeah, all previous Death Fields kits had a pseudo-Plasma.

I like everything about them except their heads…and maybe the more anachronistic looking weapons. Fortunately, I’ve got lots of spare replacements in the bits box.


I’m hoping they’ll make some space Soviets as well, with a bit more emphasis on the space.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Some of their weapon designs are just awful.

Look fine to me, a Lewis Gun, Enfield, a shotgun, a Piat, and as well backpack style flame. Only thing I say they should do is kick the other two flames, give us a cool plasma gun or something else.

Yeah, all previous Death Fields kits had a pseudo-Plasma.

Most likely concept renders.

Dito the above.
Not a fan of dual flamers and the firing effect parts, but the rest looks fine.

Extra shoulder pads or epaulettes? Yes please!

Some over the top "stiff upper lip" head for the officer would be splendid, innit, me fellas?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So now we can add Praetorian Guard to the list, alongside Vostrayan Firstborn and Steel Legion. Brilliant

Plus Mordian Iron Guard.

I honestly almost regret having started a Raumjager IG regiment as I like each of their new not!Guard kits better than the last one.

Also because we still haven't seen a Raumjager heavy weapons/officers set on the horizon.

I see a lack of gas masks or just face mask/respirators. That should be corrected!

I can see that set doing well.

Okay, I'm in for the not-Praetorian Guard. I bought some of the official figures when GW had a sale, but could not get more at reasonable prices because the sale was because GW had discontinued the Praetorian Guard line. Not that they said so when the online store started that sale ...

Will WGA give us enough heads for each type like they did with Les Grognards?
Like others, dislike the firing effects. Please drop those and use the space for something else. Like a field radio backpack or a not-plasma gun.

Separate backpacks please. No epaulettes or shoulderpads: the former will be so tiny, they'll be a pain to work with, and shoulderpads are over done.

After all the fuss in the Stargrave thread about not getting any flamethrowers in the Northstar kits, complaining about getting three in this kit amuses me. Still, if they could change one to the not-plasma gun, that would be better.

EDIT: Colonel or Brigadier head; balding, middle-aged, jowly with muttonchop whiskers. Might be better for a Command & Heavy Weapons set if WGA makes one.

Walk wide o’ the Widow at Windsor,
For ’alf o’ Creation she owns:
We ’ave bought ’er the same with the sword an’ the flame,
An’ we’ve salted it down with our bones.
(Poor beggars!—it’s blue with our bones!)
Hands off o’ the sons o’ the Widow,
Hands off o’ the goods in ’er shop,
For the Kings must come down an’ the Emperors frown
When the Widow at Windsor says “Stop”!
(Poor beggars!—we’re sent to say “Stop”!)
Then ’ere’s to the Lodge o’ the Widow,
From the Pole to the Tropics it runs—
To the Lodge that we tile with the rank an’ the file,
An’ open in form with the guns.
(Poor beggars!—it’s always they guns!)

The Widow at Windsor - Rudyard Kipling

for the flame throwers i'd drop it to one sort only

(without the backpack which is so close to the cadian type folk who want it can grab it from there)

I can see why folk want a plasma gun, maybe an alternate barrel for the lewis gun to save space? and because there isn't a decent period weapon to act as one

no shoulder pads but some oversized eppulets will be good for officers in the Victorian period

not so keen on backpacks, useful but usually left off during combat, maybe 1 per sprue so you can makes some 'on the move'

shotguns, i'd prefer 2 (or 4) barrel break style rather than pump action, Purdy persuaders rather than Winchester Trench guns, fits the brits better, short barrel of cource




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the plastic gunfighters did their shotguns in 2 parts so you could have the guns open or closed which would be good too

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
There will be four bodies per sprue with enough standard rifles for all.
Do you like the idea of shoulder pads or separate epaulettes for them? Would you like backpacks for all or leave them off? Let us know your advice!

I wouldn't worry about providing enough rifles for 100% of the models, although if one of them is being carried I think you should have three ready ones per four figures.
Space SMLE looks good, albeit not very high-tech. I'd personally prefer something a bit more space-age, based on the EM-1/EM-2 or the Farquhar–Hill rifle, but I get why a more old-school look will probably be more popular. Maybe one more 'advanced' looking rifle could be included as a designated marksman weapon?
Lewis gun seems a bit small. It should dwarf the rifles. Stock needs fixing too; the one used at the moment (copied from the shotgun, I think) has got a hand-grip, which doesn't make sense with the pistol grip.
Shame not to have a Bren gun, but hard to justify 2 LMGs. Possibly the Lewis could become a plasma gun or something?
Flamethrowers don't seem to be based on anything I recognize. They look nice, but seems like space-brits should have something based on the Mk 2 'life buoy', although it does look a bit silly.
PIAT-alike is nice, but seems a little small.
Power sword seems a bit generic and chunky. Would prefer something closer to an 1803 pattern sabre. Not a fan of the vambrace on that arm either. A different melee weapon option would be nice; maybe a trench club, bayonet held as a knife, F-S commando knife, or 1908 pattern style entrenching tool?
I personally like backpacks a lot and would prefer to have enough for every model, but they do take up a lot of sprue space.
Gas mask heads will use a lot of sprue space. I'd suggest an order of priority with them being Brodie-helmet (essential), peaked cap (nice, but not required), bearskin (only if you need to fill space on the sprue), and pith helmet (don't look right at all to me, would recommend adding almost anything else instead). A single 'bare headed' gas mask would be a nice addition. Peaked cap heads seem like they should have at least one shouting guy with a moustache. I'd like some beret heads too, but four types of headwear is already pretty crazy!
Shotguns don't seem like a great match for Brits, especially pump-actions, but I know people keep demanding lots of shotguns (I guess because they have always been an option for Imperial Guard / Astra Militarum veteran squads, but even then I would only expect them to need one or two per sprue to give enough for all their veteran squads).
Not sure what the blobs next to the backpack flamethrower are. Weapon effects? If so, a waste of sprue-space in my opinion.
Revolvers seem kind of generic SF style. If you're going to give them revolvers, make them look like Webleys. The Webley-Fosbery autorevolver with short barrel looks suitably over-complicated. Alternatively, swap one or both for automatics, possibly based on the Mars automatics, or machine-pistols, based on Sten guns, or the BSA experimental SMGs / MCEM.
I prefer the extra-chunky grenades over the smaller, more realistic ones.
Not a fan of shoulder pads personally, but not a deal-breaker for me. Separate ones would be ideal, allowing those who want them to take them, but again I realise that sprue space is limited and would prefer to have other things, like more pouches and weapons. Is the thing next to the bodies the proposed shoulder-pad / epaulette? It looks awesome, but only really suitable for officers or elite troopers.
I'd recommend pouches moulded in to the main figures, but the ones shown don't seem to 'sit' quite right. If looks like they should be slightly pushed sideways by the legs and rest in a more diagonal fashion.
Bodies generally look good, especially the spats, webbing, and collars.

I like everything there, but a radio is essential. Please include one!

 Galas wrote:
I see a lack of gas masks or just face mask/respirators. That should be corrected!

The more gas masks, the better! The WW1 Germans set had the option to do every head that way…nice.

Is it possible to make a gasmask piece that could be applied to any of the heads on the potential sprue? Something a little like the rebreathers on the Cadian command squad, but a full gasmask?

Guys these are concept renders. We only need to make one object for a gasmask head. Each line of head options has it at the extreme right.

 lord marcus wrote:
Guys these are concept renders. We only need to make one object for a gasmask head. Each line of head options has it at the extreme right.

Sometimes I think excitement at a picture stops people from reading the accompanying text.

The text says four bodies. Five are in the picture but one of them is showing what a head looks like on it.

Does the kit have two flamers or are they just alternate sculpts, only one of which will make it to the sprue?

Like the Les Grognards, there will be plenty of heads in all flavours in the kit.

Epaulettes would be nice for the Praetorian/ Mordian tie in but separate plastic ones for a with/ without option would be fiddly and take up space.

I like the look of the bodies. Now, bearskins or pith helmets?

Despite having a big metal Praetorian army, I may go for the bearskins for the novelty.

Who am I kidding, this could be my first six box purchase just for the fun of doing both.

Now, no pressure, heavy weapons? I cannot have my Space Brits outgunned by my Space French/ not-Vostroyans.

 lord marcus wrote:
Guys these are concept renders. We only need to make one object for a gasmask head. Each line of head options has it at the extreme right.

I only mentioned that as a way do a whole squad with gasmasks and the headgear of your choice, rather than every 5th trooper having a gasmask.
But yes, I get that these are more or less concept art (and good concept art, at that!)

alphaecho wrote:
Now, no pressure, heavy weapons? I cannot have my Space Brits outgunned by my Space French/ not-Vostroyans.

Of course you can. Pluck is all you need. Remember what your countryman Sir Henry Newbolt wrote:

The sand of the desert is sodden red, --
Red with the wreck of a square that broke; --
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England's far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

Vitai Lampada - Sir Henry Newbolt (1862-1938)
Nota bene: That is the 2nd verse of three. First verse illustrates, third verse concludes the lesson.

Presumably, that broken regiment went on to defeat the Mahdists/Afghans/Zulus and added yet another bit of land to Victoria's Empire.

Oh, and one more part suggestion. An arm with swagger stick. Although properly swagger sticks are for off-duty personnel in uniform. But there are always some outliers, like General George S. Patton Jr., who carry them while on duty.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Guys these are concept renders. We only need to make one object for a gasmask head. Each line of head options has it at the extreme right.

I only mentioned that as a way do a whole squad with gasmasks and the headgear of your choice, rather than every 5th trooper having a gasmask.
But yes, I get that these are more or less concept art (and good concept art, at that!)

You missed my point. It's not going to be every 5th head. You are going to get 4 identical gasmask heads on the sprue for each of the head types. So you can make a full box In the gasmask/hat/helmet option of your choice.

The gasmask head is a relatively uniform piece, thus for this render images purpose we only need to show one if each option.

 Garfield666 wrote:
Dito the above.
Not a fan of dual flamers and the firing effect parts, but the rest looks fine.

Extra shoulder pads or epaulettes? Yes please!

Some over the top "stiff upper lip" head for the officer would be splendid, innit, me fellas?

Is it now time for the stabbin jokes ?

I like the general look and idea, am however not sold on the enfields and the lewis... can't quite put my finger on it though as to what irks me.

 lord marcus wrote:


You missed my point. It's not going to be every 5th head. You are going to get 4 identical gasmask heads on the sprue for each of the head types. So you can make a full box In the gasmask/hat/helmet option of your choice.

The gasmask head is a relatively uniform piece, thus for this render images purpose we only need to show one if each option.

I concede I did miss that point! There's gonna be a lot of heads on that sprue then. Which is always a good thing

I think we just gotta look at WGA's previous products to see we're gonna get a good amount of heads.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So now we can add Praetorian Guard to the list, alongside Vostrayan Firstborn and Steel Legion. Brilliant

I have to laugh, when GW finds inspiration from history (or at least Hollywood history) suddenly anyone else who finds inspiration from history is accused of ripping them off!

Warlords whole WWII line is just a rip off of Cadians and Steel Legion!

Overall, I like the look, especially with the gas mask and brodie-style helmets. Combined with the shoulder pads it gives them a very "Warzone Imperial" look. I like the shoulder pads, but understand why other people wouldn't.

I have to say, I'm not a fan of most of the weapons. I think the rifles and Lewis Guns need to have some more high-tech elements added to them, like the Grognards'. I also agree the sword would look a lot better and feel more "British" as a cavalry style saber. The pump shotgun seems really off to me, thought I'm having trouble putting my finger on why. I think that the central section seems too large compared to the barrel and stock, and puts the trigger in an awkward place. The piat, pistol, and flamethrowers are fine, but it seems really odd to me to have two styles of flamethrowers on the same sprue. Personally, I'd like to see a plasma/melta style weapon, and a sniper rifle or antitank rifle as replacements for the duplicate flamethrowers.

The firing effects for the different weapons are a neat touch, but I think that sprue space might be better used for weapon options or gear like entrenching tools.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
Now, no pressure, heavy weapons? I cannot have my Space Brits outgunned by my Space French/ not-Vostroyans.

Of course you can. Pluck is all you need. Remember what your countryman Sir Henry Newbolt wrote:

The sand of the desert is sodden red, --
Red with the wreck of a square that broke; --
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England's far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

.

A very good point however, I maintain, that my Space Brits will get further with pluck AND heavy artillery than pluck alone against the bound to be dastardly, Space French!


For Kid Kyoto:

I'm not sure Wha-Mu-077 is necessarily accusing of ripping GW off but I do find that, with their Death Fields range, they are providing fantastic proxies for several IG Regiment types that fit nicely between GW's no longer available versions and the lovely but relatively expensive resin models available from Victoria's Miniatures, Mad Robot and many others.

Now, can I have a Bulldog or a Westie on a Space Brits sprue? I am willing to wait for the Command/ Heavy box if required. I am not a demanding customer.

I know what i'm creating when the set comes out

The guy behind me in line at Kroger?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The guy behind me in line at Kroger?

You live near @captainmcslugs from TikTok?

Those brits seem pretty well kitted out for trench warfare. Hope the heavy weapons lads get something of a boys AT rifle team, for putting holes in mechs and thick skinned xenos.
Something in the realm of an 1845 pattern infantry officers sword(or even a cutlass).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The guy behind me in line at Kroger?

Odly enough he also shops at the Schnucks Grocery store in Saint Louis....at least I think it was a he .

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The guy behind me in line at Kroger?

Heavy breathing targeted precisely at the back of your neck