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Alright guys so as of now im running a Kan Wall army. Quick break down it looks like this.

2 KFF Mechs
9 Kans w/ Grotzookas
2 Deff Dreads w/ CC Arms
90x Slugga Boyz w/ Nob and PK

This is my 1500 Point set up. I wanted to add some Fire Support considering im inching up the field and shooting anyways. Would it be better to have 2 squads of 15 Lootas or 3 squads of 11 Lootas? Im trying to fit them into a 2000 point list. Any help would be appreciated. Also, i wont be able to have them in a BW because the Kans are taking my Slots. Thanks in advance.

First, are you fielding 2 deff dreads with 4 DCCW each?
Second, I think smaller suads would be better beacuse 15 lootas can often be overkill, do you really need 45 shots at a target? Most of the time I find 10 lootas can kill of dull pretty much any unit.

Yeah the 2 dreads each have 4 DCCW. Yeah you have a good point. Also, the 3 squads would be harder to deal with IMO.

I would take 2 skorchas on the dreads.
since they arent TL that means you get 2 nice flame templates before you charge in.
That should thin units alot better.

Dont bother with lootas.
You dont need a unit like that keeping back and blocking you out.

You will have more use with more boyz.
Failing that, 2 units of 29 gretchin with 2 slavers each will do the job for fodder.

also, i would take a KMB on 3 of those kanz, simply because they remove armour saves from everything and also give you a slight tank hunting ability.

despoiler52 wrote:First, are you fielding 2 deff dreads with 4 DCCW each?
Second, I think smaller suads would be better beacuse 15 lootas can often be overkill, do you really need 45 shots at a target? Most of the time I find 10 lootas can kill of dull pretty much any unit.

15-45 or 10-30 shots
BS 2 hit on 5+
5-15 or 3-10 hit
Str 7 so they'll wound most things on 2+
4.1-12.5 or 2.5-8.3 wound
Then finally the armour save of what ever your shooting at .... So i think max size is preferable

Tri makes not only a good point here, but dont forget, smaller ork units will run away quickly.
Taking the max suize unit allows them to be fearless for a while.

I would add more Boyz and I have the models, but i just switched over from a green tide style army because i was sick of moving the 150+ models a turn. Its what turned me off of orks and i'm trying to stay away from moving more than 90 Boyz.

I could roll 2 BW with Nobs in them. I just figured i would try more of a shooty element.

If you want a small army then how about this:


Ghaz
Megabozz

Troop:

10 meganobz
10 meganobz

Elite: Whatever points are left for more meganobz.


Seems stupid, and possibly is.
but its a small hard hitting army that will last a while (unless against tons of AP2 or power weps )

JD21290 wrote:

also, i would take a KMB on 3 of those kanz, simply because they remove armour saves from everything and also give you a slight tank hunting ability.

Nooooooooooo! Grotzookas are the best value for money weapon IMO, 2 blast templates a piece, that means Wayyyyy more hits, even though you don't pen a much, the sheer amount of wounds you will cause will make them fail some.

9 KMB shots
4.5 hit
3.75 wound (against most things, that is wounding on anything but one.)
3.75 kills (exept terminators or other 2+saves)

18 Grotzooka shots
54 hits (3 hits per blast, very easily attainable)
36 wounds (toughness 4, space marines)
45 wounds (toughness 3, imperial guard)
18 kills (space marines)
45 kills (imperial guard)





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JD21290 wrote:If you want a small army then how about this:


Ghaz
Megabozz

Troop:

10 meganobz
10 meganobz

Elite: Whatever points are left for more meganobz.


Seems stupid, and possibly is.
but its a small hard hitting army that will last a while (unless against tons of AP2 or power weps )

It would move sooooo slowly, you need some transport, the enemy could very easily evade you.

Nooooooooooo! Grotzookas are the best value for money weapon IMO, 2 blast templates a piece, that means Wayyyyy more hits, even though you don't pen a much, the sheer amount of wounds you will cause will make them fail some.

So, for every 6 wounds caused by a grotzooka on termies thats 1 failed save.

For every 1 wound caused by a KMB thats 1 dead termie.

Also, zookers suck at tank hunting.
The army needs some ranged anti-tank, otherwise your charging headlong into battlecannon fire all game.

It would move sooooo slowly, you need some transport, the enemy could very easily evade you.

Didnt say it was a quick moving army
Just amusing to use lol.

I know, I have infact played an all mega armoured footsloger, seems fun, but basicaly I find you get to sit back and watch your nobz get slowly eroded . Fun, sometimes, winning potential, not really.

Also KMB are more points, I dislike them and never, ever use them, if you love them then go ahead and take them, also arne't they only strength 8? Just get some freaking rokit launchas if your only after that. nd now for something completly different.................

I love Meganobs and was debating on them or the Lootas. I think ill go with the MANZ in battlewagons with Deffrollas. Oh i was totally thinking about making a MANZ army...something like this.

HQ:
Ghaz
Warboss

Troops:
10x MANZ
10x MANZ

Elites:
10x MANZ
10x MANZ

Heavy:
BW-Dedicated
-deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff Rolla red paint

Extra points add some stuff to the BW so they last longer. This is a 2500 Point list. I think it would be awesome as hell to run.

Wow, just pray they don't filed lots of power weapons. Nice, also lots of fun.

All grotzookas on the kanz.
4 x dccw on the dreads - it is just too easy to skorch yourself out of charge range.
30 boy mobs with pk/bp nob
Shoota boyz on foot, slugga boyz in transports.
Lootas in 15 man squads, in a battlewagon with a battlekannon if possible.

I have been playing orks for years, and your anti tank is lootas and powerklaws.

Bad_Sheep37 wrote:I love Meganobs and was debating on them or the Lootas. I think ill go with the MANZ in battlewagons with Deffrollas. Oh i was totally thinking about making a MANZ army...something like this.

HQ:
Ghaz
Warboss

Troops:
10x MANZ
10x MANZ

Elites:
10x MANZ
10x MANZ

Heavy:
BW-Dedicated
-deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff rolla red paint
BW-Dedicated
-Deff Rolla red paint

Extra points add some stuff to the BW so they last longer. This is a 2500 Point list. I think it would be awesome as hell to run.

Where do you plan on putting Gazzy and the MAWB?
You need to have 9 Nobz so you can get a HQ in with them.

I would suggest that this might work better
Gazzy - 225
MAWB - Squig - 115
10 MANz - 4x Kombi- Skorcha - 420
10 MANz - 4x Kombi- Skorcha - 420
8 MANz - 3x Kombi- Skorcha - 335
5 MANz - 200
4 MANz - 160
Battlewagon - Deff Rolla, RPJ, Plank, Big Shoota - 125
Battlewagon - Deff Rolla, RPJ, Plank, Big Shoota - 125
Battlewagon - Deff Rolla, RPJ, Plank, Big Shoota - 125
Battlewagon - Deff Rolla, RPJ, Plank, Big Shoota - 125
Battlewagon - Deff Rolla, RPJ, Plank, Big Shoota - 125

despoiler52 wrote:2 blast templates a piece, that means Wayyyyy more hits, even though you don't pen a much, the sheer amount of wounds you will cause will make them fail some.

While I somewhat agree, and I do love my Grotzookas, orks are not hurting for anti-infantry punch, they need something to break open vehicles, that's more what the KMB (or rokkit) kanz are for. Lootas btw, I'm not sure, Since lootas benefit from the mob rule you want to take as many as you can, 13-14, but you do reach a point where it becomes overkill....and I have had my entire loota mob blown away by one thunderfire cannon round, so they are not as good as all that.