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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander






London

I bought a Lord of Change and SC Daemons box to go with my growing Thousand Sons force, wondering if this list is any good.

HQ
Ahriman on Disk
Exalted Sorcerer on Disk

Elites
Helbrute - Twin Lascannon
Helbrute - Twin Lascannon
5x Scarab Terminators - Soulreaper and Hellfire Missiles

Troops
10x Rubrics
5x Rubrics
5x Rubrics

Heavy Support
Defiler - Twin Lascannon and Defiler Scourge


Tzeench Daemons

HQ
Kairos Fateweaver

Elites
6x Flamers

Troops
10x Horrors

Fast Attack
3x Screamers

Heavy Support
Burning Chariot

Not wanting anything ultra-competitive, just want a nice varied selection of units that can hold their own.

Now the SC box has a Burning Chariot, which can either be built as Changecaster + Burning Chariot, or Exalted Flamer + Fateskimmer. Before I start building this kit, what would be the best option? I'm thinking leaving the Exalted Flamer on foot so he can be protected by the Flamers, what would you guys suggest?

   
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Do you guys put Soulreaper cannon and Hellfire Missiles on the same model? No that much abilities in the game for the enemy to target specific models?
Recommended spell for Scarab Terminator Sorcerrer? Warptime?
   
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Xyxel I don’t think the rules allow that based on the wording of the codex.

As for spell I like duplicity or time. For non-cult I use weaver/or glamor to protect selves or just throw a smite out.

Valkyrie I have a similar list is use and I have had some luck with it prior to Covid. You are probably not going to win the LVO with that but should be ok in friendly pick up games. May I suggest using an exhaled LoC though instead of Kairos. The new table is really good for the LoC.
But remember when the new dex drops you will likely lose a “mono-codex” rule to bring daemons.

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It`s a 100% legal to put both weapons on the same model and i would absolutely do that as it means the weapons surviving 1 more casualty.

@Xyxel:
As for the psychic power, i mostly go for glamour / weaver / temporal manipulation as backup powers or Firestorm because it can snipe stuff like characters or units hiding behind chaff.
Remember you can only take powers from the discipline of change with them, so they sadly can`t have warptime themself.

You get the relevant cult power on top of that for free, which gives them some extra flexibility.
As xeen said time & duplicity are both great cults and their powers work well with Scarabs.


@Valkyrie:
Honestly, none of the options are really competetive and with the codex Death Guard out it seems like souping will take away certain traits, so it does not matter to much.
Only exception is the exalted LoC which is really good like xeen said.
So overall, especially if you don`t want to go fully competetive i`d go for the options with the best looks and have fun with a nice looking army with lots of different stuff.
Also it seems summoning is gone, unless they keep that mechanic in the future CD codex, so i will stop any Tzeentch daemon projects for now and wait until TS and CD have their books.
Kinda sad because i have close to 1000 points Tzeentch daemons and was planning to add more of them. :(




   
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Yea. Not much will be competitive against DG for awhile. I hope our book is at least half as good. I would love Magnus to be viable.

I agree that I would not worry about competitive builds until the new dex and just focus on what you like.


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Yea. Not much will be competitive against DG for awhile. I hope our book is at least half as good. I would love Magnus to be viable.

I agree that I would not worry about competitive builds until the new dex and just focus on what you like.

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Bath

Ok, so im planning to branch out into the Tsons later this year, after i finish getting my custodes sorted. My current plan is the following 1k list as a base, then expand on that if i find i like the Sons playstyle.

Spoiler:

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [53 PL, 6CP, 980pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Cults of the Legion: Cult of Magic


+ HQ +

Exalted Sorcerer on Disc of Tzeentch [7 PL, 120pts]: 6. High Magister, Coruscator, Glamour of Tzeentch, Inferno Bolt Pistol, Tzeentch's Firestorm, Warlord

Sorcerer [5 PL, 90pts]: Force sword, Glamour of Tzeentch, Inferno Bolt Pistol, Tzeentch's Firestorm

+ Troops +

Rubric Marines [12 PL, 195pts]: Icon of Flame
. Aspiring Sorcerer: Inferno Bolt Pistol
. 8x Rubric Marine w/ Inferno Boltgun: 8x Inferno boltgun
. Rubric Marine w/ Soulreaper cannon: Soulreaper cannon

Rubric Marines [6 PL, 95pts]: Icon of Flame
. Aspiring Sorcerer: Boon of Mutation, Inferno Bolt Pistol
. 4x Rubric Marine w/ Inferno Boltgun: 4x Inferno boltgun

Tzaangors [4 PL, 105pts]: Brayhorn, Icon of Flame
. Twistbray: Autopistol and chainsword
. 9x Tzaangor w/ autopistol and chainsword: 9x Autopistol, 9x Chainsword

+ Elites +

Scarab Occult Terminators [10 PL, 207pts]: Hellfyre Missile Rack
. Scarab Occult Sorcerer: Inferno Combi-bolter
. 3x Terminator: 3x Inferno Combi-bolter, 3x Power sword
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Power sword, Soulreaper cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator [9 PL, 168pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, Predator autocannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

++ Total: [53 PL, 6CP, 980pts] ++

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As a basis for getting to know the Tsons, and a reasonable 1k list to expand upon, what do you guys think? im concerned that it might not have enough AT firepower but i dont know how important that is at 1K as i dont have much actual game experince (got back into the hobby over lockdown....)

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
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Hello there!

One question ahead: Do you plan to go for a fun army or do you have a more competetive approach?
Right now they are midtier and have mostly been used as souped in Psykers for chaos lists in 8th edition, but 9th seems to favour mono-armies more so its really hard to say where they will end up.

Overall it`s hard to give good advice, as we will get a new 40k codex about every month (depending on things happening with the pandemic / Brexit) 2021.
No way to tell when TS will get their 9th edition codex, but there are some things that will probably be similar to the DG changes.
Mainly 2 wound Rubric Marines, 3 wound Scarabs and other stuff (streamlined weapon profiles, strategems) that will get a similar change as the last 9th edition books got.
For now we are kinda left behind as we haven`t gotten the 2 wound Marine treatment yet, have no 9th edition rules like the 9th specific secondaries and still suffer a bit from the "kill psykers" & "kill characters" secondaries thatr are auto-takes against us most of the time.
On the other hand we had a really good psychic awakening book with grat upgrades, relics, new powers and strategems that allows us to go for lots of trickery.
We only lack some decent melee units to conquer enemy objectives that have good staying power as well.


Generally i`d say 10-20 Rubrics, 1-3 Sorcerers and 20 Tzaangors is a good start. If you plan on camping the Tzaangors i would rather go for 5 Rubrics, if you want to play 1 - 2 x 20 later on you can start with 10 allright.
Depends largely on the final rules but if i had to guess they are a safe bet. (Like poxwalkers in DG armies that got quite good.)
Would go for the Tzaangor blades not the pistol option tough.

In your list i`d skip the Icon of flames - they are bad now and unless they will give some kind of psychic boost in the future they won`t be worth it.

Antitank is what TS can`t do properly with each platform having it`s own pros & cons.
Maybe some Forgeworld alternative or a LasCannon Predator instead of this one?
Defilers have seen some play, they are not bad right now as they are great in melee, kinda resilient (more than the Pred) and their shooting is okayish.
Personally i use a Sphinx-based defiler with battle cannon & twin lascannon + a relic contemptor with 2 twin Lascannons for antitank.

Ahriman is such a beast, you`ll want to play him every game so personally i`d do him first.
Prince with wing is also great, but will probably be limited to 1 per detachment with our codex (like DG do now) so i`d think about adding one as well.

For 1k my go-to would be:

Ahriman on disc
Sorcerer
10 Rubrics
5 Rubrics
10 Tzaangors
5 Terminators
Preditor or defiler or Forgeworld bot.

After that i would add 5 more Scarabs, 5-15 more Rubrics, 10 more Tzaangors, 1 more Sorcerer (3 in the box so you could make 1 of them an Aspiring sorcerer, as i think you will only be able to play 1 Ahriman / Exalted Sorcerer per detachment in the future.), 1 Prince and maybe a Tzaangor shaman. (cheap psyker that can buff Tzaangors as well)
Depending on the style you want to go for you could finish of the 2000 points with Rhinos or more antitank depending on taste.






   
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Bath

 Grotrebel wrote:
Hello there!

One question ahead: Do you plan to go for a fun army or do you have a more competetive approach?
Right now they are midtier and have mostly been used as souped in Psykers for chaos lists in 8th edition, but 9th seems to favour mono-armies more so its really hard to say where they will end up.

Overall it`s hard to give good advice, as we will get a new 40k codex about every month (depending on things happening with the pandemic / Brexit) 2021.
No way to tell when TS will get their 9th edition codex, but there are some things that will probably be similar to the DG changes.
Mainly 2 wound Rubric Marines, 3 wound Scarabs and other stuff (streamlined weapon profiles, strategems) that will get a similar change as the last 9th edition books got.
For now we are kinda left behind as we haven`t gotten the 2 wound Marine treatment yet, have no 9th edition rules like the 9th specific secondaries and still suffer a bit from the "kill psykers" & "kill characters" secondaries thatr are auto-takes against us most of the time.
On the other hand we had a really good psychic awakening book with grat upgrades, relics, new powers and strategems that allows us to go for lots of trickery.
We only lack some decent melee units to conquer enemy objectives that have good staying power as well.


Generally i`d say 10-20 Rubrics, 1-3 Sorcerers and 20 Tzaangors is a good start. If you plan on camping the Tzaangors i would rather go for 5 Rubrics, if you want to play 1 - 2 x 20 later on you can start with 10 allright.
Depends largely on the final rules but if i had to guess they are a safe bet. (Like poxwalkers in DG armies that got quite good.)
Would go for the Tzaangor blades not the pistol option tough.

In your list i`d skip the Icon of flames - they are bad now and unless they will give some kind of psychic boost in the future they won`t be worth it.

Antitank is what TS can`t do properly with each platform having it`s own pros & cons.
Maybe some Forgeworld alternative or a LasCannon Predator instead of this one?
Defilers have seen some play, they are not bad right now as they are great in melee, kinda resilient (more than the Pred) and their shooting is okayish.
Personally i use a Sphinx-based defiler with battle cannon & twin lascannon + a relic contemptor with 2 twin Lascannons for antitank.

Ahriman is such a beast, you`ll want to play him every game so personally i`d do him first.
Prince with wing is also great, but will probably be limited to 1 per detachment with our codex (like DG do now) so i`d think about adding one as well.

For 1k my go-to would be:

Ahriman on disc
Sorcerer
10 Rubrics
5 Rubrics
10 Tzaangors
5 Terminators
Preditor or defiler or Forgeworld bot.

After that i would add 5 more Scarabs, 5-15 more Rubrics, 10 more Tzaangors, 1 more Sorcerer (3 in the box so you could make 1 of them an Aspiring sorcerer, as i think you will only be able to play 1 Ahriman / Exalted Sorcerer per detachment in the future.), 1 Prince and maybe a Tzaangor shaman. (cheap psyker that can buff Tzaangors as well)
Depending on the style you want to go for you could finish of the 2000 points with Rhinos or more antitank depending on taste.








thanks for the feedback.

I was planning on getting the start collecting box to, well, start collecting, which has Ahriman in it, and use him as a regular exalted sorc for now (rather save the extra points for something else. a prince was also being considered as a expansion purchase.

I am aware that the sons arent super competivite at the moment but since im a basically a total n00b in regards to actual playtime in the last 5 editions, im not hughly worried about competing. that, and no matter if i loose, Tzeentch still wins!

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
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Hello friends. I have a question for all of you Exalted Sorcerers.

I'm working on assembling some thousand sons. My playlists are fun and with friends, I was just wondering as to what the most effective anti tank units are in the list? If you were to play at 1,000 points, what Anti-tank unit would you absolutely have to have? At 1500? At 2000?
   
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I'm still new myself but it seems like our best options for anti tank are lascannons, which means dreadnoughts and predators.

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"Yeah, f*ck you too!" - R.J. MacReady, The Thing 
   
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Sniping Hexa




East of England

Magnus is scary good at AT. I think a lot of 1ksons lists doing the business on TTS are running him.
   
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Joensuu, Finland

Rubrics & Scarabs can be AT with the stratagems: +1 wounding, with rapid fire, is almost guaranteed to shred T7 3+ 13ish W vehicle model in one salvo, if you have 10 scarabs or 20ish rubrics. You will loose effectiveness as you lose models, and this practically stops working if you cannot affored the stratagem. But on the other hand you can stay full infantry and use webway/teleport and moving strats easily, and combo this with exalted or prince to re-roll 1s.


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Bath

ok quick question. do you guys think 2 x 10 rubicae is better or worse than 1x 20 rubicae? I'm playing with my planned list and I'm dithering over weather two squads able to work seperately or one big blob i can use tricks like risen rubicae on for maxium Tzeentchen fun.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
"Tommy", Rudyard Kipling
500pts
1000 pts
 
   
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Preacher of the Emperor




Claremont, ON

Just landed a pair of Tsons Contemptor dreads. Wondering the best load out. Based on our lack of AT double lascannon seems like the route to go. Although they are a little more expensive than our las preds they don't suffer from being degraded and are easier to hid. What are peoples thoughts on them @ 190pts.

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London

skycapt44 wrote:
Just landed a pair of Tsons Contemptor dreads. Wondering the best load out. Based on our lack of AT double lascannon seems like the route to go. Although they are a little more expensive than our las preds they don't suffer from being degraded and are easier to hid. What are peoples thoughts on them @ 190pts.


The Volkites would be pretty decent, 16 S5(6?) shots with 2 damage an additional mortals isn't going to annihilate any vehicles, but can do some work in degrading them or getting those last few wounds off.

   
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Cobleskill

xerxeskingofking wrote:
ok quick question. do you guys think 2 x 10 rubicae is better or worse than 1x 20 rubicae? I'm playing with my planned list and I'm dithering over weather two squads able to work seperately or one big blob i can use tricks like risen rubicae on for maxium Tzeentchen fun.


right now, I'd like to think that you are almost always better with a single massive unit on account that you can only get a single instance of a power off per turn. Running Duplicity, you have the choice of the redeploy power or whatever you chose to give to the Aspiring Sorceror, And the same for the others.

As for the cover thing? you can benefit when you lose enough models, yes?

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Trying to help my friend build his 1kSons army, and need a TAC list build for him. I am building it as a birthday present, and I have three squads a rubrics and a few Scarab occult terminators, but not sure what else he might need. I thought about making him a Chaos Daredo Dread, but is that really their best bet? Any help is appreciated!
   
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How do we feel about the ratio of Cultists/Tzaangors to Rubrics? I've played a few games with just Rubrics for my troops and they just seem too expensive for what they are.

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"Yeah, f*ck you too!" - R.J. MacReady, The Thing 
   
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Rubrics, like all Chaos Marines outside of Deathguard are just terrible value propositions until they get their 9th Ed update. Their cost for a one-wound model is just wrong and feels bad to invest points in.

For now Cultists and Gors win that fight.

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What are people feeling about the cult relics?

The Cult of Time relic is good but recently Ive been looking at the capricious crest. It essentially saves us a CP on a reroll for a psychic test and auto passes it, we make alot of psychic tests and ive yet to not use it, but is resurrecting a demon prince one per game the better option?
   
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Right now my favorite is the +1 to psychic tests from the cult of magic, but the pythic brazier from the cult of prophecy seems strong as well. The cult of time relic is awesome on a demon prince!

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