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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's 1 Flyer, 1 Rider and 1 Jump unit. They're all dual kits (or triple kits, in the case of the flyer).
I thought the kits made different units. Are they just weapon options? Either way - 2 dual kits and 1 triple kit is a decent release in my book, the largest of any PA to date.

I think HBMC was just making it clear that there are only three kits, rather than the seven your phrasing had implied.

I think the jump infantry and "cavalry" are two distinct units - the flyer is probably three dataslates, but I could also have seen it as possibly being one with weapon options.

"Only" 3 kits? 3 kits with multiple options each is huge. Us Orks got 6 new buggy units for "Orktober" last year and that was considered a pretty major release. Ironically Ork players would've much preferred multi-build kits too.

Either way it's somewhat regardless, my claim was never that there were seven kits and that there are seven unit releases, which AFAIK there are.
I agree with you in that it seems a notable release; three multi-option kits is a significant expansion of options, even if the units end up being same-thing-different-weapon. And they are not just character clam packs or basic infantry either.


yeah, It's worth noting the entire Custodes line is 5 kits and some additional marine stuff.

likewise Grey Knights is only 3 or 4 kits plus some additional marine stuff.

3 multibuild kits is a pretty sizable expansion to an army that's already in remarkably good shape for such a new army.

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For Admech, I'm quite happy with 3 new kits. I'm just hoping that there will be a couple of clam pack characters beyond just the manipulus.
   
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I’m bet the character from kill team will be included in this release like the GSC one was with Greater Good. I don’t think there’s been any other previews for characters. The hounds may have one there description kind of sounded like a regiment of renowned.

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Right behind you.

They all but spelled out that he would be when they showcased the stuff.
   
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Deamon will probably get nothing figure wise I guess,
but mounted plastic herald could be nice.
Some still have finecast herald.

But again, I believe deamon will get the wrong end of the stick...
   
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Sulpherhounds will be a fine addition to my Taghmata Metalica. Pteraxii are basically an auto include due to how dope the models look. I run mostly vanguard so if the other variant has some sort of rad weapon I'm down. both are units I've hoped for (i.e. fast & aggressive) that I felt wasnt available before.

   
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mortar_crew wrote:
Deamon will probably get nothing figure wise I guess,
but mounted plastic herald could be nice.
Some still have finecast herald.

But again, I believe deamon will get the wrong end of the stick...
My Nurgle army really wants a herald on plague drone...

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
mortar_crew wrote:
Deamon will probably get nothing figure wise I guess,
but mounted plastic herald could be nice.
Some still have finecast herald.

But again, I believe deamon will get the wrong end of the stick...
My Nurgle army really wants a herald on plague drone...


I hear you.

As far as I am concerned, I would like a Slaanesh herald not on a chariot!
A simple herald on steed will make it.

A basic herald on the mount from his/her/its god in plastic would a nice
way to update (a bit) the range in my opinion, but we'll get nothing but lousy rules and/or a name generator I guess.
   
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I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.


Same here.
So sad they cannot insure there are at least the models to justify this stupid rule,
and not the other way around...

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mortar_crew wrote:
way to update (a bit) the range in my opinion, but we'll get nothing but lousy rules and/or a name generator I guess.

You might be really lucky, and get four name generators...

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.


Just make your own rules, lol.

Entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the community wasn't so anal about no-official-printed-rules-no-play, lol.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.


Just make your own rules, lol.

Entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the community wasn't so anal about no-official-printed-rules-no-play, lol.


? Not everyone has a FLG's community where that might fly.
And it is GW's fault for failing at the most basic level in the chapterhouse lawsuit.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.


Just make your own rules, lol.

Entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the community wasn't so anal about no-official-printed-rules-no-play, lol.


Please go to the suggest rules forum and tell me how many of those you think are better than GW's rules. Ask any random player to make up rules for a primarch and see how that goes.

Someone walking up to your table and telling you that they made their own rules for some models is a red flag to abandon the game right there.

There is a reason why the rules of every game and sport are made by a neutral party. For WH40k, this neutral instance is GW.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd be happy converting one, if GW was not so dam anal about no-model-no-rules.


Just make your own rules, lol.

Entire thing wouldn't be an issue if the community wasn't so anal about no-official-printed-rules-no-play, lol.


Please go to the suggest rules forum and tell me how many of those you think are better than GW's rules. Ask any random player to make up rules for a primarch and see how that goes.

Someone walking up to your table and telling you that they made their own rules for some models is a red flag to abandon the game right there.

There is a reason why the rules of every game and sport are made by a neutral party. For WH40k, this neutral instance is GW.


So people are mad because they cannot go up to a table with a made-up miniature, but wouldn't ever allow somebody to go up to a table with made-up rules?

Hypocrisy much? Either you want everything to come from a neutral instance or you're happy and want to encourage people flexing their creativity.
   
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Yes, because
1) Modeling is a creative activity, rules are not
2) There used to be rules for these models
3) Converting models is still encouraged by GW and there are rules for modes which have never had an official model

 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Yes, because
1) Modeling is a creative activity, rules are not
2) There used to be rules for these models
3) Converting models is still encouraged by GW and there are rules for modes which have never had an official model


1) rules are very much a creative activity.
2) There are models that never had rules (e.g. Ynnari-Banshess without Banshee-masks most recently).
3) Creating and modifying rules is still actively encouraged by GW, for example in the section for changes and recommendations for organised events / competitive play in more strict matched-play, as well as obviously non-matched-play forms of gaming.

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When was the last time you had a non-matched play game?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
When was the last time you had a non-matched play game?


When was the last time you had a 100% raw matched play without any creatively added tweaks and non-GW-made rules (as recommended by GW) on perhaps table size or detachment limits, exclusion of fully matched-play-legal units like Legends, various tweaks and house-rules like LoS blocking 1st-floor ruins or cover-by-touching, "it-sits-it-fits"-stuff, fan-developed additional rules and limitations on stuff like what bases you use, etc.., etc., etc.., etc..

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
When was the last time you had a non-matched play game?


When was the last time you had a 100% raw matched play without any creatively added tweaks and non-GW-made rules (as recommended by GW) on perhaps table size or detachment limits, exclusion of fully matched-play-legal units like Legends, various tweaks and house-rules like LoS blocking 1st-floor ruins or cover-by-touching, "it-sits-it-fits"-stuff, fan-developed additional rules and limitations on stuff like what bases you use, etc.., etc., etc.., etc..



More often then the former, further again, it's one thing to modify the core rules via applying general changes like replacing the gak terrain with KT terrain rules and los rules.
It's a WHOLE other can of worms to bring in a "New HQ" which is in one faction.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
When was the last time you had a non-matched play game?


When was the last time you had a 100% raw matched play without any creatively added tweaks and non-GW-made rules (as recommended by GW) on perhaps table size or detachment limits, exclusion of fully matched-play-legal units like Legends, various tweaks and house-rules like LoS blocking 1st-floor ruins or cover-by-touching, "it-sits-it-fits"-stuff, fan-developed additional rules and limitations on stuff like what bases you use, etc.., etc., etc.., etc..



More often then the former, further again, it's one thing to modify the core rules via applying general changes like replacing the gak terrain with KT terrain rules and los rules.
It's a WHOLE other can of worms to bring in a "New HQ" which is in one faction.


Sure. And it's one thing to head-swap some Necromunda heads on your tactical marines or whatever and a WHOLE other can of worms to bring a "Doom of Malan'tai" or "Lady Malys" miniature you made up because they used to be in a predecessor of the current 40K some 20 years ago.

Not to mention it is in no small part fan-made (i.e. non-neutral-by-GW issued) rules that prevent a lot of it. If I'd wanted to base my Smash Captain on a 80x80 mini-diorama square base for coolness sake, there's nothing in matched play R.A.W. stopping it. It's only "creative", fan-made limitations that prevent it.




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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
When was the last time you had a non-matched play game?


When was the last time you had a 100% raw matched play without any creatively added tweaks and non-GW-made rules (as recommended by GW) on perhaps table size or detachment limits, exclusion of fully matched-play-legal units like Legends, various tweaks and house-rules like LoS blocking 1st-floor ruins or cover-by-touching, "it-sits-it-fits"-stuff, fan-developed additional rules and limitations on stuff like what bases you use, etc.., etc., etc.., etc..



Sunday. Now answer my question, or do you admit that you are just comparing apples to oranges while insulting people who have perfectly fine reasons to request GW to make proper rules for models things that have existed for years?

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:


Sunday. Now answer my question, or do you admit that you are just comparing apples to oranges while insulting people who have perfectly fine reasons to request GW to make proper rules for models things that have existed for years?


I am not comparing apples to oranges (and yes, my GW store, while open pre-Corona, had weekly games using the Open War deck).

You seem to want "freedom of creativity" where you like it, and GW to step in and stifle creativity where you don't want it. Ergo, you don't actually want a logical guiding principle, you just want GW to tighten up / loosen rules to your specific personal preferences.
   
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You are comparing modifying models to making up game rules.

"Oh, you are using third party bits on your chaos lord? I guess then my intercessors all have 2+ armor, 10 wounds and strength 10 bolters. I you can use the freedom of creativity, so can I!!!111eleven"

If that's not apples to oranges, I don't know what is.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
You are comparing modifying models to making up game rules.

"Oh, you are using third party bits on your chaos lord? I guess then my intercessors all have 2+ armor, 10 wounds and strength 10 bolters. I you can use the freedom of creativity, so can I!!!111eleven"

If that's not apples to oranges, I don't know what is.


Neither should be forced at your opponent and every person you want to play against should be able to veto them.

If you and your opponent (gaming group, whatever) are fine with it, yes, engaging in any and all creativity should be a good thing.

Same principle works perfectly fine, as they both cover creative modifications of the game in some shape or form. Literally the same thing.



The only thing that possibly separates then into "apples" and "oranges" is that the rulebook (i.e. Games Workshop) actively encourages tinkering with the rules and has done so consistently for 30+ years, while creativity with miniatures was not encouraged by GW for a period of time (though some light conversion articles have since re-appeared in White Dwarfs, etc.. and they aren't as strict about it as they were maybe 5 years ago).
   
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Slaanesh Herald on steed is a Legends model now so you're pretty much not gonna get a new model for that any time soon.

I'm a bit dismayed that the new admech models all seem to be shooty models again. Sure sulhpurhounds all have some kind of saber but they also all have a gun of some kind. I'd just like a little more focus on assault for an army that already has a plethora of shooty options.

Maybe i'm wrong but at the moment all the new unitsjust look like A: Faster infiltrators and B: flying infiltrators. So hopefully there are some creative rules to make them more interesting.

I mean they look awesome, but battlefield roll wise seem a little shallow on the surface.
   
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Octovol wrote:
Slaanesh Herald on steed is a Legends model now so you're pretty much not gonna get a new model for that any time soon.

I'm a bit dismayed that the new admech models all seem to be shooty models again. Sure sulhpurhounds all have some kind of saber but they also all have a gun of some kind. I'd just like a little more focus on assault for an army that already has a plethora of shooty options.

Maybe i'm wrong but at the moment all the new unitsjust look like A: Faster infiltrators and B: flying infiltrators. So hopefully there are some creative rules to make them more interesting.

I mean they look awesome, but battlefield roll wise seem a little shallow on the surface.



"Slaanesh Lord on steed" perhaps?
The Slaanesh herald on steed was an option in 7th codex list (and before) which got axed in 8th because you know, "no model"...

   
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Honestly, rules/points for a slaanesh herald on mount would be very easy with cross multiplication. Daemonette/seeker X Herald/Herald on mount. Would give you everything you need. A poxbringer on rotfly would work just as well. No added rules whatsoever, just point appropriate additions.

However, I just want to see Fulgrim come out of this. That’s my big desire from PA. I’d still be over the moon to see a box set of Fulgrim vs Angron from this though. Similar to Knights Renegade boxset.

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