1500 WoC vrs Empire help

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**DarthSpader**

im playing my second game of whfb tomorrow, and my foe is an empire player. we are playing 1500 pts, and since ive never played against empire with WoC, im wondering about how to play them, what to look for and some tatics to use. first, i have no clue what army the empire is fielding, only that it has some calvary. my initial list is centerd around 2 15 man blocks of warriors, 2 groups of 20 maruders, a giant and a knight unit....however im comsidering dropping the giant for more knights. the other question i have, should i expect magic, and therefore load up on sorc? or will my khorne champ on jugger be a better choice? whats the empire magic phaze look like at 1500? any suggestions or tips would be apreciated. thx.

**Lord Bingo**

At 1500 points don't expect much or any offensive magic, I can only guess at that points level he'll only have a single scroll caddy. The most likely list will probarly be a gunline, if so you have to reach him as soon as possible and it may help to drop the giant and use some hounds of chaos to tie up his missle units. Cavarly wise if he is using pistoliers be careful, they can stop you marching and pick off your men at ease. If he is using knights don't worry, empire knights are no where near as good as your knights, although they do have a 1+ armour save. Sorry I couldn't help further but without knowing what he is taking I could only give you a general idea.

**PistolWraithCaine**

I agree, Empire isn't known for its magic even at 2250 so I would not expect anything significant at 1500.

For the love of god yes please drop the giant for more knights!! Knights are good

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Honestly, Empire can do a lot of things so if you aren't sure what he will be playing it's best to make a well rounded list. (Actually meta-gaming is bad anyway so always make a well rounded list.)

Empire cavalry is very good (it is especially cost effective) but your cavalry will be able to cut through them like butter so don't be too afraid of them.

One of Empire's strengths are their war machines so you should expect to see at least one, but more likely two cannons. You have to be very conscious of this fact, that means during your movement phase be very careful so that you aren't giving him flank shots on your expensive knight units.

If he brings a gun line, use your marauders to screen your warriors and try to use whatever limited terrain there is to your advantage.

Good luck.

**DarthSpader**

i ended up dropping the giant and one of the warrior units for hounds and a second champ leading a group of knights. as it ended up, he had a single lvl 2 caster, wich pretty much did nothing the whole game. otherwise, his main force was a group of handgunners, inc an engineer, some swordsmen and a group of pistolers, who are frigging deadly. in the end though i was able to crush the gunline via my knights charging. his one warmachiene was a hellblaster vollygun....and i will never underestimate that one again.... it absoultly MULCHED one of my maruder units.. thx for the advise on the list.

**radiohazard**

Personally, I would have gone for MSU of Chaos Warriors. With all the shooting Empire can do, they will have trouble dealing with MSU of Chaos Warriors with HW and Shield.