Ogre Kingdoms 2000 and 3000 points.

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**radiohazard**

Since I apparently resemble an Ogre (bit of a paunch, bald, goatee beard, quite tall and generally quite large according to the Wife), I've come up with at the two points variants...

Lords and Heroes:

Skrag = 400.

Butcher = 180.
2 Dispel Scrolls.

Butcher = 180.
Hellheart or 2 Dispel Scrolls.

Butcher = 180.
Bangstick, Dispel Scroll or 2 Dispel Scrolls.

Core:

3 Bulls = 105.

3 Ironguts = 144.
3 Ironguts = 144.
3 Ironguts = 144.

Special:

2 Leadbelchers = 110.
2 Leadbelchers = 110.

2 Gorgers = 150.
2 Gorgers = 150.

Total 1997/2000.

For the 3000 point list add the following to the above...

Tyrant = 296.
Tenderizer, Heavy Armour, Wyrdstone Necklace, Fistful of Laurels, Luck Gnoblar.

3 Ironguts = 144.
3 Ironguts = 144.

3 Maneaters = 270.
Heavy Armour, Cathayan Longswords.

Grand total 2995/3000.

Any help won't go amiss.

**Boss Salvage**

That is a lot of gut magic O_O

For 2k, I'd personally drop the hellheart and stick with just bangstick (no scroll) on Butcher #3, and use the points to get bellowers for every unit that can take them. With the 18 points left I'd probably give ironfists or ahw to the bulls, unless you want to give fistful or talisman of protection to a butcher.

Ideally I'd try to push the points to get either a siegebreaker butcher in there, or drop 1 butcher for a simple bruiser w/ great weapon. I myself wonder at 10 dice of gut magic, to just buff a handful of MSU ironguts + butcher units or throw increasing amounts of dice into bonecrunchers ...

Not unlike this:

Skrag = 400
Butcher - 2 scrolls = 180
Butcher - bangstick = 155
Bruiser - great weapon, heavy armor = 147

3 Ironguts - bellower = 154
3 Ironguts - bellower = 154
3 Ironguts - bellower = 154
3 Bulls - bellower = 115

2 Belchers - bellower = 120
2 Belchers - bellower = 120

2 Gorgers = 150
2 Gorgers = 150
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1999

Then the bruiser would just buff way up for 3k when he becomes the tenderizer tyrant he was born to be

- Salvage

**PistolWraithCaine**

You can't use skrag at 2000 points legally.

Get your units bellowers, especially bait units.

The 3000 point unit needs more bait units, specifically bulls.

Your 2000 point list, besides the fact that it is illegal, has the correct 1:1 ratio of bait to hammer units required to play cookie-cutter MSU ogres. In your 3000 point list you add 3 hammers and no bait units.

Some ogre players are starting to turn away from the cookie cutter MSU and more towards a character deathstar (think a tyrant and 2 bruisers in a unit of maneaters) which some good people at www.ogrestronghold.com have been developing which you might want to check out. But overall, getting bellowers and replacing skrag with a tyrant in your 2000 point list will make a perfectly fine MSU ogre list.

**Boss Salvage**

PistolWraithCaine wrote:You can't use skrag at 2000 points legally.

What? He's in fact the only slaughtermaster you can take under 3k ... And I've faced him at a couple 2250 tournies now!

- Salvage

**PistolWraithCaine**

Boss_Salvage wrote:
PistolWraithCaine wrote:You can't use skrag at 2000 points legally.

What? He's in fact the only slaughtermaster you can take under 3k ... And I've faced him at a couple 2250 tournies now!

- Salvage

Oh god you're right I mixed up the two rules. /facepalm and I've been playing ogres for a few years now.....

So disregarding any idiocy in the above post, 10 casting dice for 2000 pts is over kill, do what salvage says and replace one as a bruiser or drop it and get more ogres.