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For quality it's been a weird instance, seldom, but becoming more and more common.

There is a lot more flash on some sprues, habitually missing certain parts, degradation in the physical quality of the model.

For example, I bought a vindicator a few months back and I examined it upon opening.

1. The back door had recesses in the plastic that you could see the other side from, made the model look terrible.

2. The plastic was warped, ok not so bad but I expect that this was most likely a fluke.

3. A misformed set of hatches that normally go on the rhino.

4. One part of the sprue with tacks was completely filled with flash.

And needless to say i was unpleasantly surprised by this.

And sometimes it even applies to metal models, I went to GW northridge before it closed down and I was persuing the Pedro Kantor models, I don't know how anyone could miss it but all 14 blisters of him were missing an arm and the powerpack.

He was also covered in pockmarks.

I haven't bought from games workshop in a long time. Im to poor but i have found other solutions.

does buying from (for eg) the warstore support games workshop?

Gutteridge wrote:I haven't bought from games workshop in a long time. Im to poor but i have found other solutions.

does buying from (for eg) the warstore support games workshop?

Yes .

The only way to totally not support games workshop is if you dont buy their product.
Not from ebay , not from friends , not from ANYONE or ANYTHING.

Ketara what are you babling about man?

Really I dont get your fixation on labeling my choices and my intentions to join this boycott... Maybe its because i refuted your post when you basicly called everyone joining a moron incapable of understanding why he joins in...

In time you will see that not everyone shares your preconceived notions...
In life people join efforts in common projects when their agendas meet on similar issues... they dont need to share 100% same goals or even know partners agendas... When you vote in elections for a politician do you share 100% his views or even know his agenda? or you choose the one that has a higher percentage of similarities to your beliefs? Its called compromises.

If people only joined efforts if they agreed 100% on every issue on the table then there would be not many partnerships or cooperations...
Life is not black or white and your definitions arranged in little boxes are incompatible with the so unpredictable human behaviour.

Your incapacity to see outside your organized boxes doesnt let you establish a direct conection with supporting competiton/ and boycoting GW.

But really lets not drag this anyfurther ok? Lets just respect others choices and avoid telling someone he is incapable of basic interpretation of his own actions.

Sidstyler wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:But really lets not drag this anyfurther ok? Lets just respect others choices and avoid telling someone he is incapable of basic interpretation of his own actions.

How dare you sir! This is the internet, if you don't agree with me then you're slowed, gay, and probably even a Nazi/child molester.



...and that's supposed to read Nazi or child molester, not a Nazi molester.

Pretty cool how you lumped gays with 'slow', 'nazis' and 'child molesters'......

Sidstyler wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:But really lets not drag this anyfurther ok? Lets just respect others choices and avoid telling someone he is incapable of basic interpretation of his own actions.

How dare you sir! This is the internet, if you don't agree with me then you're slowed, gay, and probably even a Nazi/child molester.



...and that's supposed to read Nazi or child molester, not a Nazi molester.

So, that means you're against the molestation of Nazi's?

Time to lock this one.

G

AgeOfEgos wrote:Pretty cool how you lumped gays with 'slow', 'nazis' and 'child molesters'......

INTERNETS!

I know what you're trying to imply and I honestly didn't mean anything by it. I don't have anything against homosexuals or people with Down's Syndrome.

Sidstyler wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Pretty cool how you lumped gays with 'slow', 'nazis' and 'child molesters'......

INTERNETS!

I know what you're trying to imply and I honestly didn't mean anything by it. I don't have anything against homosexuals or people with Down's Syndrome.

Really? What exactly did you mean by your comment? Perhaps I became confused on your intent.

Guys, it's the Internet. Drop it. And I just realised, I haven't bought anything for two months already.

Sidstyler wrote:
How dare you sir! This is the internet, if you don't agree with me then you're slowed, gay, and probably even a Nazi/child molester.

Sigged.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Pretty cool how you lumped gays with 'slow', 'nazis' and 'child molesters'......

INTERNETS!

I know what you're trying to imply and I honestly didn't mean anything by it. I don't have anything against homosexuals or people with Down's Syndrome.

Really? What exactly did you mean by your comment? Perhaps I became confused on your intent.

I honestly think you have.

What I meant is exactly what I said, this is the internet. Ever read You Tube comments? Or some of the ruder posters on forums like our own (who don't often last long, admittedly)? I was simply making a joke about how people online never just "agree to disagree" and often resort to the kind of insults I posted above, and I really don't know any other way to explain it.

NAVARRO wrote:
No one actually knows what they're boycotting GW for? Really? wow I dont know what I'm doing? Others just go with the flow and have no clue about all this? Glad you are here to clear all that for us. Thanks you mate we would be lost without your guidance.

I have clear goals of supporting heavy the competition, in the form of buying their products with the money planned for GW, give exposure to them on the forums in the form of reviews etc and to sculpt for companies labeled like parasites... I hope their sales skyrocket.

You assume to much with the little information you have, thats why your conclusions are not accurate and somewhat patronizing...

Blows me away your assumptions and your strange attempt to put me and people inside YOUR personal little boxes of closed definitions...specially when you dont know jack shiat about my shopping and hobby patterns.....

Really I dont get your fixation on labeling my choices and my intentions to join this boycott... Maybe its because i refuted your post when you basicly called everyone joining a moron incapable of understanding why he joins in...

In time you will see that not everyone shares your preconceived notions...

Life is not black or white and your definitions arranged in little boxes are incompatible with the so unpredictable human behaviour.

Your incapacity to see outside your organized boxes doesnt let you establish a direct connection with supporting competiton/ and boycotting GW.

But really lets not drag this anyfurther ok? Lets just respect others choices and avoid telling someone he is incapable of basic interpretation of his own actions.

.....Are you actually even reading my posts? I basically said initially that this method of protest is ineffficent, as it was never really laid out what was specifically being protested against, and what the aims of the protest were. I then suggested what I thought would be a more effective means. To which I've had sarcasm, been called patronizing, and you have this strange preconceived idea that I have a 'fixation' with putting people into boxes.

I was never labeling your choices and intentions to join the boycott. You did that yourself. I merely pointed out that they were completely different to the ones stated for the boycott. As I said earlier, you may have ulterior motives for joining, but they are completely different to the ones already poorly defiend as the objective of the boycott. Therefore how my criticism of the process has been 'refuted' seems to be a direct case of you either completing misunderstanding the issue or attempting to misdirect the whole thing for some unknown reason. When I said no-one knew what they were boycotting GW for, I was not referring to their personal reasons for joining the boycott. I was referring to the fact that the reasons for the boycott itself were not clear. People might dislike GW for reasons XYZ and have joined the boycott for personal reasons XYZ, but regardless of that, the purpose of the boycott was unclear. The worst I can be accused of here is a little ill phrasing.


Regardless of your reasons for joining I believe that with whatever intent people joined with initially, this is an inefficent and ultimately ill-expressed form of protest. How you managed to get me 'calling people morons' or not knowing what their personal goals for the boycott are, I'm not too sure on. Are you sure you're reading the right thread you just replied to? As said, I was criticising the ill defined process here, not people's personal reasons. You are the one who twisted it to being personal.

I agree, we should leave it there, as any kind of intellectual discourse is naught more than 'babbling' in your eyes, and you seem to be incapable of putting together a coherent response to a logical discussion, and instead focus on implications never made, and insults. Please refrain from putting me inside this box you seem to have created for me.

Get in the box, get in the box, GET IN THE BOX!

It gets in the box...



...or else it gets the hose again.



Ghidorah

Ghidorah wrote:It gets in the box...
...or else it gets the hose again.
Ghidorah

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NAVARRO wrote:Ketara what are you babling about man?

In time you will see that not everyone shares your preconceived notions...
In life people join efforts in common projects when their agendas meet on similar issues... they dont need to share 100% same goals or even know partners agendas... When you vote in elections for a politician do you share 100% his views or even know his agenda? or you choose the one that has a higher percentage of similarities to your beliefs? Its called compromises.

If people only joined efforts if they agreed 100% on every issue on the table then there would be not many partnerships or cooperations...
Life is not black or white and your definitions arranged in little boxes are incompatible with the so unpredictable human behaviour.

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Before the Thread gets locked i'll say i agree with that, not everyone joins something feeling that its 100% their own view, most times you join what fits best. i know because i use to support the NDP up in canada. and there everyone could rarely come to an agreement on everything.
What ever the reason fo joining anything should be a free choice and at least tolerated by others if they dont agree. thus why many have joined the boycott for different reasons, but the tone is the same. Dissatisfaction with some of GW's practices.

I'm sorry, I think we've gotten sidetracked...

The cat in the box is hilarious though.

Anyway, I'm surprised few have commented on B&C and apparently BoLS just outright deleting the threads about the boycott plan. Even if you think the entire thing is silly, that seems kinda wrong to me.

but it happens quite offten Sid, in most forums they take a dim view of certain types of posts. so the reaction wasnt a surprise.
Its not apathy i think, more like understanding of the right to delete posts that can be concidered infamitory.
(and yes i cant spell, what ya gonna do? hook me on pheonix. er phoneix, um phonics)

The funny thing about this for me is that after about 4 years away from playing 40k I decided to buy a box set of SW's, Was going to start a small force up again so I could get a mate round and help him with some games. Then this cropped up and I'm now going to buy the new Grindhouse Incursion game. Oh by the way I don't know what size they will be but there is a Wolf green on TGN that looks like it could be ripe for conversion. Here's the link to the people making it: http://www.maxmini.eu/forum/index.php?topic=185.0

Just a word of caution on buying other games, make sure you will get to play them, ive often gone out in the past and thought one game or another was cool and bought it, only to find that there werent to many people intrested in playing. ask around first before you buy
Just advice though, as the UK has a very wide and great gaming comunity that doesnt touch GW.

Sidstyler wrote:I'm sorry, I think we've gotten sidetracked...

The cat in the box is hilarious though.

Anyway, I'm surprised few have commented on B&C and apparently BoLS just outright deleting the threads about the boycott plan. Even if you think the entire thing is silly, that seems kinda wrong to me.

The one I have on the B&C is still going, for how long I'm unsure. But I didn't really think it through while posting it, I put shane's quote, and from my inferences everyone thought I had wrote it on behalf of myself, or thought it was stupid I agreed with GW not protecting its IP.

So I pretty much had to explain i'm just the courier and not all of shane's views necessarily reflect mine.

I'm having a hard time deciding who's more worth ridicule and scorn on this one, Games Workshop or its supposed "opponents".

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm having a hard time deciding who's more worth ridicule and scorn on this one, Games Workshop or its supposed "opponents".

This is the internet. Everyone is worth ridicule.

Also, Luna... <3



Ghidorah

LunaHound wrote:

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Ketara man cant say I had the stamina to keep reading another of your posts but I saw a bit of your first sentence when you tried to do some mirror argumentation stunts? funny really... and I read somehting about intellectual discourse? Man oh man now thats something you should find hilarious. Sometimes on rare occasions we have those intelectual chats, but this is not a good example of it, sorry.
Speaking of boxes the only box I putted you inside was the " cool banner guy" one, because I dont have more boxes

@Agamemnon2 I have no idea but at least both try to achieve something

insaniak wrote:Here's the problem with this plan:

Deadshane1 wrote:This is Christmas, the time of year they count on to make some money off of us fools that dont drop them like a bad habit like they deserve.

Unless things have changed significantly in the last few years, GW's sales are predominantly stable year-round. Whilst Christmas sees a slight increase in sales, from what I've read in their financials in the past, it's nowhere near the sort of boost that you see in many other retail fields, and is not something that they rely on for anything.

Well, good, they want them to listen, not to go into administration.

@Navarro and Ketara , no more fighting please ,
both simultaneously stop talking to each other! ><

LunaHound wrote:@Navarro and Ketara , no more fighting please ,
both simultaneously stop talking to each other! ><

Nah I have nothing against ketara really, just disagreed on some points, thats it, I pretty much enjoy talking to everyone here, regardless of diferent opinions.
But this thread is not about me or ketara so thats why I wanted to end the back & forth arguments.

Boycott wise... I only started now and people are already putting fortress pics on the forum... DAMN its going to be hard to resist! When bugs come up I will have to give my credit card to my wife... to be broke a couple days later

The only way to get GW to sit up and take notice is if we all strap tanks of promethium to ourselves, and systematically destroy every B&M shop they have!

Make sure and shout "Cheaper models for the Emperor!"
or "Sprues for the sprue god, bitz for the box of bitz!"
So they know why.

Once the dust has settled and they've mopped up our remains we can all reap the benefits of cheaper.. oh, no wait, that won't work..

Angry letters it is then.

NAVARRO wrote:

LunaHound wrote:@Navarro and Ketara , no more fighting please ,
both simultaneously stop talking to each other! ><

Nah I have nothing against ketara really, just disagreed on some points, thats it, I pretty much enjoy talking to everyone here, regardless of diferent opinions.
But this thread is not about me or ketara so thats why I wanted to end the back & forth arguments.

Boycott wise... I only started now and people are already putting fortress pics on the forum... DAMN its going to be hard to resist! When bugs come up I will have to give my credit card to my wife... to be broke a couple days later

With all honesty, i really applaud the idea of this boycott.
But in reality... i know people are going to try , and cave in.

In the end GW will still get their money , and people that tried to hold off will blame themself for resisting against the urge.

The old saying " resisting urges is bad for your health "